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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: mushpunx]
    #22470911 - 11/03/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Trich is in every inch of soil on the planet.





That's why Ive never understood the use of hazmat suits on mushroom grow busts.

A jar might get a nasty contam but you wouldn't need to open it, you can PC it first.

But aside from invitro contams Id say the vast majority of time its just gunna be harmless green molds on your tubs



They use the haz mat suits to put the fear in the community and alienate the victims of the raid from their peers and neighbors.  Or because they're stupid.  Really hard to say.


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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22470916 - 11/03/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: Kalistis]
    #22470926 - 11/03/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I have no idea why they would wear hazmat suits except for the fact that they have no idea what they are walking into and are following a protocol. However, I am not concerned about people with healthy immune systems, nor is that at the center of the conversation.


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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22470935 - 11/03/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Haha

You will look really bad on the news. People will think you put them at risk and hate you and or conv. t :lol:

I think they just like to get dressed up. I love the articles too, about the hundreds of "jars full of mushroom spores ready to be planted"


I think its relevant to the conversation, that mushroom growing conjures up dangerous molds in peoples minds 

But yea, I don't think the normal contaminants consistent with mushroom cultivation are anything dangerous to someone with a compromised immune system.

Like Pasty said, the common molds like Trich are everywhere. Theyre a danger to mushrooms but not people


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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: mushpunx]
    #22470966 - 11/03/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Like I said before. My dog has a really compromised immune system.  My grows do not hurt her. But oysters almost killed her. I'm sure that if you spread a load of a. flavius around, that could really hurt a weakened individual. But a small amount in a jar or a spot popping up on a sub is no more dangerous than finding some old cheese in the fridge.


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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #22471002 - 11/03/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yea I mean 9/10 times you are gunna lose a tub to trich. Probably closer to 10/10.

Might get some weird stuff inside a jar but in your situation I would sterilize it in the PC before opening it.

Its definitely good of you to look into any possible risks. Your pop should be proud of you for that


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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22471071 - 11/03/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Asper and trich may be everywhere, but there are things you can do to increase spore load. To argue that by doing this doesn't put an immunocompromised person at risk is idiotic, especially in a person that has had a recent transplant. Invasive aspergillosis is very common in hematological malignancies.... it's not like this is something doctors just whipped up to fearmonger the masses.

Pasty, you practice good methodology, but how many people do you come across on a daily basis that have no fucking clue as to what they are doing? Aspergillus is just one contaminant that can get out of hand if someone doesn't know what they are doing... I see people make dumb decisions on the regular, so it wouldn't I wouldn't put it past an inexperienced cultivator to accidentally expose a critically ill family member to something far worse. It's just not worth it when it comes to a family member's life. :shrug:


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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: Kalistis]
    #22471120 - 11/03/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not really for censoring what we say to accommodate the lowest common denominator. :shrug:


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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22471127 - 11/03/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Did I say you had to censor yourself? No Sir. However, this is not the place for someone to get medical advice.


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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: Kalistis]
    #22471151 - 11/03/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Another very good point.  You'll most definitely get biased advice in favor of growing by people who mostly have good technique and already have a general procedure for dealing with contaminants.  OP made up their mind before the end of the first page though.


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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22471168 - 11/03/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Nothing wrong with continuing the conversation. :skol:


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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: Kalistis]
    #22471230 - 11/03/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If they are that critically ill they should be in a hospital I would imagine if they are in such a fragile state that the molds common to mush cult would hurt them they need to be in some sort of a clean room because houses, especially older ones are chock full of them.
And the truly dangerous ones are gunna be growing in your ceilings, not your mushroom tubs.

Aspergillus is a genus, there are hundreds of types of it some auite dangerous and some not. Its a pretty broad term.


There are some common sense things you can do to reduce spore load that are good for everyone to follow regardless of state of health.

Just don't open moldy jars without sterilizing them first. A good GE filter should keep mold in as well as out.
Keep an eye on substrates. If they start to get a green spot dump it outside.

I would say that food has the same potential to grow mold as mush cultivation, and I don't think anyone would tell you not to keep food in the house. :lol:


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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: mushpunx]
    #22471277 - 11/03/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Lol, no they don't put most immunocompromised folks in clean rooms. You would be surprised by the number of critically ill people on antifungals living in their homes. They simply take preventative measures, as listed above, to avoid infection. I am well aware that Aspegillus has many species. I worked in a clin path lab for several years that did pcr testing for all sorts of things, including a pan-asper assay.

Now I have that damn Jake Gyllenhaal movie, Bubble Boy, in my head. Thanks guys.


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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: Kalistis] * 1
    #22471288 - 11/03/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Some people get songs stuck in their heads, you can get a whole movie in there?  That's gotta be annoying.


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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22471314 - 11/03/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: serious: is the growing process bad for cancer patient? [Re: Higher Love]
    #22475460 - 11/04/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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If his father's in remission, I don't see why he couldn't put things on hold until his father's doctor feels he is no longer high risk.




Agreed.

Thank you guys for the input and good wishes. Things are on hold without further question. Last night I was a little upset, but the scale realistically tips only one way here. It's nice to have him where he is and it's only getting better
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Good call. It's not worth risking your fathers health, even if the risks may be pretty low.


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