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Re: Tips and/or advice on how to get out of a deep depression. [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #22503305 - 11/10/15 01:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You may have to wait it out and let your brain recover from whatever has happened to it, from stress to drugs you can easily damage or disrupt it.

And it DOES recover, unless you have a spear go into your brain or something.

I'm just getting my emotions back ... it's fucking wonderful man! Listening to this right now



And it's just blowing my mind, so much is going on in this track ... (for me, right now)

Good luck!

Music might alleviate some of the pain


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Re: Tips and/or advice on how to get out of a deep depression. [Re: circastes]
    #22506311 - 11/10/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Something else that helps a lot with depression is sober sleep.

Mind altering chemicals negatively effect the quality of sleep. Sober sleep is critical to mental health.

Without sober sleep we're sleep deprived, and there are major repercussions, including depression. 

From the age 17 to 45 I probably had less than fifty nights of sober sleep.

Sober sleep has totally change my life.  It's as if I have a new brain, now that I get good quality sleep.

It has massively change my mood. I wish I would have known this decades ago.


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    #22506423 - 11/10/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys, what's up?

Hi RJ, by sober sleep do you mean that you don't use drugs during the night time or that you don't use drugs at all (the only drugs that I use are weed, mushrooms, LSD, and on a rare occasion some type of stimulant-usually amphetamine salts XR which is like Adderall) But I haven't used weed, mushrooms, LSD, or amphetamine salts XR in months. I typically go to bed around 11-12 every night and wake up around 8-9 in the morning. I dream every single night. Ever since I stopped using weed which was two months ago I've noticed that I remember my dreams every night. Maybe it is due to the weed but also during the time period that I stopped smoking weed a major change in my life occurred so I'm not sure which one is the main factor.

My day to day mood is improving little by little. I'm not as depressed as I was about a week or two ago. I was barely talking at all, 90% of my thoughts were about how I thought my life was complete shit and how it would never improve, and constantly reminding myself how lonely I am. In the past week or two I'll have a streak of two days where I'll feel content and then maybe for the next day or two I'll go back to feeling very sad (or angry about my life situation and my family) but like I said things are getting a little better. I appreciate it so much that you folks have given me advice and suggestions on how to get out of my depressive state that I've been in for a long time now. Thank you so much everyone.


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Re: Tips and/or advice on how to get out of a deep depression. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22506983 - 11/10/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Glad you are doing better.

And good job on getting a full night sleep. That's so important. And not easy for many people . . . to be disciplined.

By sober sleep I mean sleeping without drugs in the body, so I mean no drugs. If I smoke weed in the morning and then nothing else the rest of the day, for me, my sleep is still very effected. I'm not stoned when I go to bed, but I still don't sleep like I would if I had not smoked. When I smoke weed, and then stop, it takes at least a week for me to sleep well (and remember my dreams, like you say) and it takes another two to three weeks for me to finally get back to feeling totally normal.


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Re: Tips and/or advice on how to get out of a deep depression. [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #22518725 - 11/13/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you. I started a job. I feel like shit again today.

Yeah. I started setting an alarm clock about a week or two ago. 1. because I wanted to stop going to bed so late. 2. other reasons I needed to for. If I go to bed very late & wake up late for a few nights in a row that'll become my schedule for however long until I decide to change it. (Or any others times)

I see... I see what you mean. When I was smoking heavily I would go to bed late every night. My reason/excuse that I'd think to myself: there is no reason to go to sleep now. I'll live out the day to its most and continue to smoke throughout the night. I was smoking several times a day for years. I took a 100% break from weed for some months but I just smoked one single hit from a bong an hour or so ago and now I can't get my thoughts away from something that I feel like shit about that happened today at the job I started. Fuck. Not what I expected.


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Re: Tips and/or advice on how to get out of a deep depression. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22521519 - 11/14/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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When I was smoking heavily I would go to bed late every night. My reason/excuse that I'd think to myself: there is no reason to go to sleep now. I'll live out the day to its most and continue to smoke throughout the night.





For decades I'd stay up very late smoking pot and eating and wouldn't get much sleep. I was ignoring the significant impact of not getting enough sleep. I'd struggle thru each day using caffeine, and then do it again the next night. For decades I did this. Part of addiction is the inability to look ahead to tomorrow and the future and notice how our current decisions, today, effect our happiness. The worst hangover in the world doesn't keep a drunk from drinking again. 

I falsely believed pot helped me "relax", but when I stopped, I realized pot makes me very anxious. My repetitive negative thinking increases 10 fold when I smoke. I hate myself and all of life when I smoke. The crazy thing is, I still want to get stoned almost every day, even though it causes me so much misery.

When we do anything repeatedly . . . drugs, video games, gambling, porn . . . it changes the wiring of the brain, and the behavior can become a compulsion, where the goal of engaging in the behavior is not the pleasure it brings, but relief of the anxiety of the urge that has been created by repetition.


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Re: Tips and/or advice on how to get out of a deep depression. [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #22523498 - 11/14/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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Anonymous said:

When I was smoking heavily I would go to bed late every night. My reason/excuse that I'd think to myself: there is no reason to go to sleep now. I'll live out the day to its most and continue to smoke throughout the night.





For decades I'd stay up very late smoking pot and eating and wouldn't get much sleep. I was ignoring the significant impact of not getting enough sleep. I'd struggle thru each day using caffeine, and then do it again the next night. For decades I did this. Part of addiction is the inability to look ahead to tomorrow and the future and notice how our current decisions, today, effect our happiness. The worst hangover in the world doesn't keep a drunk from drinking again. 

I falsely believed pot helped me "relax", but when I stopped, I realized pot makes me very anxious. My repetitive negative thinking increases 10 fold when I smoke. I hate myself and all of life when I smoke. The crazy thing is, I still want to get stoned almost every day, even though it causes me so much misery.

When we do anything repeatedly . . . drugs, video games, gambling, porn . . . it changes the wiring of the brain, and the behavior can become a compulsion, where the goal of engaging in the behavior is not the pleasure it brings, but relief of the anxiety of the urge that has been created by repetition.




This seems to be the same scenario for me (the text that is in bold letters). Yesterday when I smoked pot for the first time in months (it was less than even a .2, literally a single small hit). I couldn't stop thinking about mistakes that I made at work or how stupid I thought I looked in front of my peers when another employee belittled me. The same thing happened the time before that when I smoked... I constantly thought about the mistakes I thought I made throughout the course of that day and what others may have thought of me when I made those mistakes... Yet every single day I still want to smoke. I even dream about smoking or trying to score weed. I am almost constantly wanting to do some type of drug.

Today I went outside because it was very nice out and while I was out I had the desire to score weed so I went to various parks in my area actively looking for someone who I could purchase from. I didn't have any luck so when I got home I contemplated doing some other kind of drug. Eventually I settled on salvia plain leaf. This did nothing for my craving.

I wish I had some friends. Just people who I can spend some time with. It makes me feel bad that I literally have zero friends. I just relocated back to an area where I used to live years ago but I don't know anyone or remember anyone from the school I went to. I didn't have any friends at that school to begin with. I think even if I tried to, it'd be very awkward trying to reach out to old classmates after all this time. Shit. I'm babbling. I'm sorry... What do you do yourself to make the urges to do drugs subside?


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Re: Tips and/or advice on how to get out of a deep depression. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22530139 - 11/15/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Don't apologize for babbling . . . this is a message board. It's what we do  :laugh:

And consider sharing your first name. That might feel good. I've lived an anonymous life for many years, as have many. It takes courage to come out of the closet. You are worthy of having a name and identity. 

Accept the urges without resistance. It really can help to give the voice in your head a name, so when you hear it, the request to get high is associated with that character. "Smokey", "Billy-Bob Bongo" or whatever seems right. Always remember the urge is only a thought. Think about how you feel after getting high, and realize the voice is not asking you to act in your best interest. The Voice uses tricky tactics to try to get us to act out. 

I've had very few friends in my life, until recently when I joined a meditation group. In the group I met someone who invited me to a recovery group (if you're not religious, like me, there are recovery groups that aren't AA). Then I was invited to a book group. Suddenly I have lots of friends! Human interaction really helps me during times when the "Beast" (my name for my addictive voice) is revved up, agitated, and wanting to get high.

TV, video games, and computers generally do not nourish us like human interaction. Before you do something, ask yourself, "Does this nourish me?". 

I recommend joining some type of group. Anything. You don't have to love the focus/subject. A bowling team, arts and crafts class, volunteer organization, model trains, shooting target practice, hiking club, photography class, book club, recovery group. There are many groups to join. Don't worry about fitting in or even being around people your age. Reach out and find people. People will welcome you. It's important to not smoke so your anxiety will not be off the charts.

On the other hand, read a book or two on self-hatred and depression, because being able to be by yourself and be peaceful and at ease is very important. Nobody can save you or me from our loneliness - we have to figure that out our self.


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Re: Tips and/or advice on how to get out of a deep depression. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22555330 - 11/21/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I was officially diagnosed with major depressive disorder in 2007.  At first, I took all of the medications they gave me, but it really only made everything worse.  I'm one of those people who gets really suicidal on SSRIs.  I was hospitalized in 2008 for depression and an attempt on my own life.

You might find this study interesting to read.  It's a study about the quality of life of depressed people.

It seems to come and go in waves, really.  This time of year, my Season Affective Disorder kicks in and I have a really hard time getting out of bed and functioning.  I am a totally miserable person to be around at times.  I know it sounds silly, but I have been known to have a complete crying jag right in the middle of the grocery store for no reason at all.  It just sort of comes on and I can't stop it.

Like you, I find that things I used to love don't really make me happy anymore.  I played the piano and was even writing a rock opera before depression came in for the knockout.  None of that makes me happy anymore, really.  Honestly, sitting in front of a piano makes me really depressed.  Probably because it reminds me of the times my friends and I sat around a piano when I was younger, playing music, laughing, and doing whatever else was fun.

A therapist told me once that the key to happiness is altruism.  When she told me that, at first, I was pissed as all hell.  I thought it was complete crap and I was really angry I was paying $125 an hour for that.  Turns out, she was right.  I joined a volunteer group that donates mammograms and pap smears to uninsured/under insured women in my area.  We also do school supply drives and toy drives for kids at this inner city school.  This time of year (the holidays) especially gets me down, but I have to admit, it brings tears of joy to my eyes when I see the little thank you cards that the kids drew by hand for us giving them toys and school supplies.  I even made lifelong friends in that group who understand that there's going to be parts of the year where I'm a miserable person, and it's not personal.  It's just depression.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that depression changes you...profoundly.  It makes sense to me that things you liked before don't give you the same joy.  Even though you can't get out of bed some days, you just have to force yourself to do it.  Even if you do nothing more than wake up, drink a cup of coffee, and spend all day crying...at least its something.  Try finding new things that give you joy.  For me, it was volunteering for this organization.  It helped me feel not so worthless and self loathing. 

For what it's worth, you're not alone, even if you feel like you're all alone.

Thank you for your bravery in reaching out.


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Re: Tips and/or advice on how to get out of a deep depression. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #22558695 - 11/22/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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A therapist told me once that the key to happiness is altruism.





I agree. The more inwardly focused we are the more miserable we are.

The more outwardly focused we are, the more peace we experience.

It is said that depression is anger turned inward. I find this to be accurate.

And that we have 40,000-60,000 thoughts a day, and as many as 80% are negative.

If we don't implement cognitive tools to neutralize our negative thinking and our self-hatred, we are all at risk for depression.

It's often claimed that depression, anxiety, and alcoholism have strong genetic factors, and are passed down generations. But many researchers disagree, and say that parents without the mental health tools to deal with these issues pass their lack of skills onto their kids. Kids are conditioned to become depressed when they have a depressed parent. And when Johnny watches Dad get drunk every night, he learns that's the normal way to deal with life's challenges, so that's how he copes when he grows up.


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Re: Tips and/or advice on how to get out of a deep depression. [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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Re: Tips and/or advice on how to get out of a deep depression. [Re: theonlysun81]
    #22561824 - 11/23/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

some of the best zen reading is teslas
own written biography. not probably gonna pull
you out but its super fun and enjoyable.

some reason better when accompanied
with a sort of episode. i have to wonder
if everybody has read it...



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Re: Tips and/or advice on how to get out of a deep depression. [Re: foodsgoodtoo]
    #22584207 - 11/27/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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some of the best zen reading is teslas
own written biography. not probably gonna pull
you out but its super fun and enjoyable.

some reason better when accompanied
with a sort of episode. i have to wonder
if everybody has read it...






Can u recommend some readings? That sounds really interesting to me


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Re: Tips and/or advice on how to get out of a deep depression. [Re: m4dScientist]
    #22584316 - 11/27/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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