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Are drugs an escape from reality?
    #22467999 - 11/02/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Or is reality an escape from drugs? I figure when we pass onto the next realm, the state we are in (a spiritual state) is similar to dmt or a high dose of lsd/mushrooms but multiply that by like 100, in the spiritual realm there's no need for drugs since the spiritual realm is about pure love and the brilliance of heaven's light, the feeling one gets from those true emotions is inexpressible, in the spiritual realm we will be asked if we learned from our mistakes in life, hope you guys have a good answer!

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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Forest23]
    #22468023 - 11/02/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

To Title: Fuck No.

Drugs are not an ESCAPE from reality, drugs are an ALTERED STATE of reality.

Experiencing reality from other views. Your not escaping shit.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Forest23]
    #22468037 - 11/02/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Drugs a diversified reality, because I prefer tripping over living without purpose but without reality there'd be no point to tripping.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: theshrumnub] * 1
    #22468086 - 11/02/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ummmmm....

...you do realize that your conscious mind suppresses reality. Suppresses emotions and memories and can be used to ignore intellectual truths if they are not convenient.

And that psychedelics enhance all perception, and diversify it.

Psychedelics specifically are the precise opposite of an escape


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22468124 - 11/02/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Ummmmm....

...you do realize that your conscious mind suppresses reality. Suppresses emotions and memories and can be used to ignore intellectual truths if they are not convenient.

And that psychedelics enhance all perception, and diversify it.

Psychedelics specifically are the precise opposite of an escape



I agree with that


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22468372 - 11/02/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

With Ayahuasca, it helps me to experience more of my reality, and i feel awesome. It does not, in any way, allow me to escape from my reality.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Forest23] * 1
    #22468549 - 11/02/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Or is reality an escape from drugs? I figure when we pass onto the next realm, the state we are in (a spiritual state) is similar to dmt or a high dose of lsd/mushrooms but multiply that by like 100, in the spiritual realm there's no need for drugs since the spiritual realm is about pure love and the brilliance of heaven's light, the feeling one gets from those true emotions is inexpressible, in the spiritual realm we will be asked if we learned from our mistakes in life, hope you guys have a good answer!

:rasta::rasta::rasta:



Psychedelics are drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality. If you think otherwise the drugs are deluding you or the mental illness is. Quite possibly both.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #22468614 - 11/02/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Forest23 said:
Or is reality an escape from drugs? I figure when we pass onto the next realm, the state we are in (a spiritual state) is similar to dmt or a high dose of lsd/mushrooms but multiply that by like 100, in the spiritual realm there's no need for drugs since the spiritual realm is about pure love and the brilliance of heaven's light, the feeling one gets from those true emotions is inexpressible, in the spiritual realm we will be asked if we learned from our mistakes in life, hope you guys have a good answer!

:rasta::rasta::rasta:



Psychedelics are drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality. If you think otherwise the drugs are deluding you or the mental illness is. Quite possibly both.




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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: voodoochild1000] * 1
    #22468803 - 11/02/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Drugs are simply a different way to experience reality. They can be used as medicine, as performance enhancers or to escape from you are currently experiencing.

Despite the fact that some people think psychedelics can't be used as an escape since they tend to intensify reality and bring psychological issues to the forefront, this is actually not the case in my experience.

I believe I have abused psychedelics and I believe others here have as well. Even though psychedelics bring our issues to the forefront of our minds, it is possible to ignore that/not act on it. For example, I have often used psychedelics to simply "bliss out" by listening to my favorite music and just enjoying the audio enhancement and deeper emotional connection.

Of course psychedelics won't allow you to completely get away with this, at some point they will throw your issues in your face. But you can still ignore it as soon as the trip ends and you will actually end up damaging yourself even more emotionally. Then you can do trip again and do the same thing and just keep enjoying tripping without growing spiritually or emotionally. There are lots of people who abuse acid and mushrooms and don't become enligttened individuals, so it is definitely possible to use them as an escape. They're just not as good as some drugs for that purpose.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22468816 - 11/02/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i think it depends on how you use them but they definitely can be


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Forest23]
    #22468911 - 11/02/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Human reality is the "fake" one! That doesn't mean leave it completely and abandon responsibilities you may have once you realize it. Change the way you live till you can abandon it and do what you really want.
All you gain will be lost. See through the game and we will prevail. Keep taking it as the only thing that is and we're going to kill ourselves through our selfishly destructive behavior.






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Obscured were the dark veils of Ain Sof
So for us to reveal the Stygian fires
that burned in sordid manifestation

Everlastingly removing the demiurgic acolytes and all existential marks
There lurked three strides, guiding the legion of acausal vitalities
To the nests of silence, the womb of dreamlessness

Or She-ein bo Mahshavah
It is from your light
Or She-ein bo Mahshavah
It is from your fires

It is from the source, ceaselessly unified with acosmic genesis

Evoke the silence of Tehom that precedes the deficient formation of creator

For it is within the silence that the Dark Gods emanate
and the end shall become yet again and again

All acts against god shall reflect the adverse tree
burning the offsprings in flames of Moloch
and harvest the crack of the circle
Whereas, the sins of man transcend prana to Sitra Atra
and our fall diffuse the emission of the black light

When Naamah weaves her web into Malkuth,
the higher into spheres we attain
the deep humanity descends into nothingness

Or She-ein bo Mahshavah
It is from your light
Or She-ein bo Mahshavah
It is from your fires

I inscribe my own husk, foreknowing to dissolve in death
and renewal shall wake myself to the only light that there is

For I shall remove all sublunar commandments
and offer the I to the light of Samael
so for me obtain glimpses of the wyrd

The passage to Black Sun transmits loss
and from loss emerges insight eternally
I enter the abyss devoid of human obstructions
devoid of the cosmic disguise

In the innermost of revelations,
the portal of Thaumiel unseals
and I gaze through the eye of Lucifer
to hearken my call and evolve, I the self creator


The requiems in Universe B howl and the requiems are mine
I am the iconoclast of delusions,
the Lord of the sole Universe that is beyond

Evoke the silence of Tehom that precedes the deficient formation of the creator

For it is within the silence that the Dark Gods emanate
and the end shall become yet again




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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22469163 - 11/03/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely an escape for me! :grin: I used to run the O they help me feel more, see more blah blah routine.. then after years I realised I was full of shit ha.

Got some tabs for this weekend and can't wait to break the monotonous sobriety!

Don't get me wrong they can do a lot for you, but it is also just fuckin exhilarating and fun.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: satch1234]
    #22469182 - 11/03/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well it really depends on what drugs are being used, and for what purpose. Drugs can definitely be used to escape reality, without a doubt. It is all about intensions. They can show new ways to view the situation we are in, or help block it out.

This is not a yes or no question, there are a lot of variables at play here. It certainly differs from person to person, but it is not the drugs that are the escape, unless used for such purpose.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22469257 - 11/03/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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To Title: Fuck No.

Drugs are not an ESCAPE from reality, drugs are an ALTERED STATE of reality.

Experiencing reality from other views. Your not escaping shit.



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In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: BrotherManBill]
    #22469258 - 11/03/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

For instance, mushrooms are ABSOLUTLY NOT AN ESCAPE FROM REALITY : the point of mushrooms is to multiply x10000000 your reality, and alter it too of course. But you're feeling depressed? ok there's 80% of chance this feeeling will be increased A LOT with mushrooms. You're feeeling at the best of your life? your trip is probably going to be one of the most memorable experience of your life.

And this work for everything : you love nature while tripping, you experience the songs at their highest potential and so on and so on...

Some drugs are an escape tho, maybe heroin, opium.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: ohcrapitsnico] * 1
    #22469272 - 11/03/15 01:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Psychedelics are drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality. If you think otherwise the drugs are deluding you or the mental illness is. Quite possibly both.



man this is the most bullshit cop out ive ever heard.

what separates psychedelics from other "drugs" is the content you are shown.

on DMT, you really have to ask why your mind is working hard to render this incredibly intricate experience. I just dont get how people can compare the brilliance of the visions to a computer with a "code malfunction."

why do we all see the same space and archetypes?

like the jester, many users report being guided by a jester or "the trickster" A well documented Carl Jung archetype.

Lots of fascinating questions come up with psychedelics that we do NOT have answers for, so no, i dont think its "just an escape from reality.":nojustno:
Any hesitation to consider the value in that is idiocy at best.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE]
    #22469299 - 11/03/15 01:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

although the quote is rather myopic so is precluding the idea, altogether

some people definitely use psychedelics as an escape

generally people who are aiming for escape wouldn't pick psychedelics though :V


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: micro]
    #22469304 - 11/03/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Mushrooms bring me face to face with the stuff I escape from in daily life and through the use of alcohol & canabis.

A really good joint can throw all your hidden problems and anxieties right into your face too. You think you're gonna have a fun, relaxing evening, but nope; time to re-evaluate your relationship with your father or some shit, :lol:


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #22469310 - 11/03/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

dont even get me started on its OCD curative properties, Performance enhancing capability(increase in dopamine = increase in pattern recognition = increase in creativity.

didnt you watch the documentary on silicon valley heads using psychedelics to push the creative envelope.

suggest ya'll nay sayers do a little reading :yesnod:


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #22469331 - 11/03/15 02:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Nah I agree, mushrooms years ago completely changed my life.. I may not have made it through without them. They made me see the source of my destructive patterns, eating habits, insecurities e.t.c I am so much happier today because of those EARLY experiences.. but I mean after 100+ trips your just mentally masterbaiting.

I enjoy the wild rollercoaster side of the experience now, the come up, the unknown potency of blotters, just the unknown, because you always forget, its a rush. I don't take the enlightened state so seriously now, I have adopted a Hunter Thompson approach and its fun.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: satch1234]
    #22469348 - 11/03/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, but mental masturbation can be good for creativity, whats truly important is balance.:yesnod::justdontknow:
With psychedelics you can usually take whatever philosophical approach you are comfortable with and your dosing style will reflect that. :cheers:


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE]
    #22469349 - 11/03/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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dont even get me started on its OCD curative properties, Performance enhancing capability(increase in dopamine = increase in pattern recognition = increase in creativity.




That's a leap. Especially since none of those studies were able to correlate their findings.

See the study from June of this year.

Also, just because the dopaminergic system influences something does *not* mean drugs releasing it or agonizing the receptors (or blocking its reuptake) will enhance creativity. It might be even more likely detrimental due to neuroreceptor downregulation.

Also, weed -> dopamine ???

Hah, I've done psychedelics too many times to find any rush.

I have found some rather refreshing dissociatives, however :lol:


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: micro]
    #22469354 - 11/03/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

weed increases creativity too, :yesnod:

hey i didnt say there wouldnt be any negatives to it, thats obviously the laws of the universe, balance is key.

Dosing heavy twice a year isnt going to hurt shit. :ganja:


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE]
    #22469358 - 11/03/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i personally found great curative effects for my severe ocd (intrusive thoughts) and i was even treated and diagosed by a therapist, recieved CBT and was put on paxil, and i didnt respond so they called me "treatment resistant."

all im saying is i found relief from my experiences, though as i have matured i dont tend to feed my compulsions so much because i have experience and trust now that it will pass so i can drop it easier.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE]
    #22469362 - 11/03/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

or maybe everything im saying is bullshit and psychedelics are just magic and are whatever you want them to be.:strokebeard::awesomenod::justdontknow:

i tend to think thats the case, dont worry im well aware im full of shit, maybe..


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE]
    #22469365 - 11/03/15 02:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

oic

i thought you meant weed

hallucinogens have been shown to increase DA levels (or act as partial agonists)


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: micro]
    #22469367 - 11/03/15 02:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

im basing my opinion on michael shermers ted talk so if it indeed is bullshit i apologize for mine and michael shermers ignorance.:mob:



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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #22469374 - 11/03/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

nah, it's solid, but saying "a implies b" would be taking a leap as there are many variables

not too interested who took it out of context

i'm just curious, is all ^^


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: micro]
    #22469388 - 11/03/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

ahah no woorries :cheers: i agree :smile:


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE] * 2
    #22469982 - 11/03/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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Psychedelics are drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality. If you think otherwise the drugs are deluding you or the mental illness is. Quite possibly both.



man this is the most bullshit cop out ive ever heard.

what separates psychedelics from other "drugs" is the content you are shown.

on DMT, you really have to ask why your mind is working hard to render this incredibly intricate experience. I just dont get how people can compare the brilliance of the visions to a computer with a "code malfunction."

why do we all see the same space and archetypes?

like the jester, many users report being guided by a jester or "the trickster" A well documented Carl Jung archetype.

Lots of fascinating questions come up with psychedelics that we do NOT have answers for, so no, i dont think its "just an escape from reality.":nojustno:
Any hesitation to consider the value in that is idiocy at best.




....nice!:bigyesnod::firstladyofapproval:


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #22469989 - 11/03/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Mushrooms bring me face to face with the stuff I escape from in daily life and through the use of alcohol & canabis.

A really good joint can throw all your hidden problems and anxieties right into your face too. You think you're gonna have a fun, relaxing evening, but nope; time to re-evaluate your relationship with your father or some shit, :lol:




..Love u Dad... (start crying)... a couple trips back some Jerry came on and I just started bawling for like 10 minutes or more! He's so f****** true!:canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: satch1234] * 1
    #22470012 - 11/03/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Nah I agree, mushrooms years ago completely changed my life.. I may not have made it through without them. They made me see the source of my destructive patterns, eating habits, insecurities e.t.c I am so much happier today because of those EARLY experiences.. but I mean after 100+ trips your just mentally masterbaiting.

I enjoy the wild rollercoaster side of the experience now, the come up, the unknown potency of blotters, just the unknown, because you always forget, its a rush. I don't take the enlightened state so seriously now, I have adopted a Hunter Thompson approach and its fun.




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    #22470021 - 11/03/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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or maybe everything im saying is bullshit and psychedelics are just magic and are whatever you want them to be.:strokebeard::awesomenod::justdontknow:

i tend to think thats the case, dont worry im well aware im full of shit, maybe..




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    #22470452 - 11/03/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Psychedelics are drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality. If you think otherwise the drugs are deluding you or the mental illness is. Quite possibly both.



man this is the most bullshit cop out ive ever heard.

what separates psychedelics from other "drugs" is the content you are shown.

on DMT, you really have to ask why your mind is working hard to render this incredibly intricate experience. I just dont get how people can compare the brilliance of the visions to a computer with a "code malfunction."

why do we all see the same space and archetypes?

like the jester, many users report being guided by a jester or "the trickster" A well documented Carl Jung archetype.

Lots of fascinating questions come up with psychedelics that we do NOT have answers for, so no, i dont think its "just an escape from reality.":nojustno:
Any hesitation to consider the value in that is idiocy at best.




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or maybe everything im saying is bullshit and psychedelics are just magic and are whatever you want them to be.:strokebeard::awesomenod::justdontknow:

i tend to think thats the case, dont worry im well aware im full of shit, maybe..




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    #22471279 - 11/03/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Your Title, Answer NO!!
All Psyches enhance reality and like any psyche it shows you to correct in your life and what your doing wrong.
defiantly not escape, cause if your looking for escape psyches is not answer.
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Or is reality an escape from drugs? I figure when we pass onto the next realm, the state we are in (a spiritual state) is similar to dmt or a high dose of lsd/mushrooms but multiply that by like 100, in the spiritual realm there's no need for drugs since the spiritual realm is about pure love and the brilliance of heaven's light, the feeling one gets from those true emotions is inexpressible, in the spiritual realm we will be asked if we learned from our mistakes in life, hope you guys have a good answer!

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Heres another good quote i found researching the The trickster archetype.

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The Trickster Archetype

The trickster is a very important archetype in the history of man. He is a god, yet he is not. He is the wise-fool. It is he, through his creations that destroy, points out the flaws in carefully constructed societies of man. He rebels against authority, pokes fun at the overly serious, creates convaluted schemes - that may or may not work - plays with the Laws of the Universe and is sometimes his own worst enemy. He exists to question, to cause us to question & not accept things blindly. He appears when a way of thinking becomes outmoded needs to be torn down built anew. He is the Destroyer of Worlds at the same time the savior of us all. In dreams {and myth} the trickster can be seen as
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The Magician
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    #22471754 - 11/03/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That Jungian trickster shit blew my mind when I read it travelling threw Asia, genuis :thumbup:


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    #22471819 - 11/03/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

it blows my mind that there is actual testable legitimacy to the concept.

which is overlooked as woo for most scientific minded individuals.

thats the point i was trying to get across in this forum. :wayshegoes:


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I've talked about Jung to many of my past professors :shrug: The Archetypes embedded in human psychology is a pretty sound scientific hypothesis, not sure why it would be woo? Many animals may have archetypes which push and pull them in certain directions.


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For me reading Jung actually demystified the psychedelic experience and made me see how the experience was from ME and not from outside.


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    #22472025 - 11/03/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i dunno, because it can raise certain fundamental ideas on embedded meaning in our existence and i dont think modern science wants to discuss such scenarios where there could be evidence of that.


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    #22472034 - 11/03/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

like why would a clown or jester archetype need to be developed by our minds, what does it represent? does it have purpose?

does it occur in people who have never heard of clowns?

Clowns and jesters should be a cultural construction, not a fundamental construction of our psyche.

if you got a bunch of people from another country to smoke DMT that dont know what a clown or jester is or looks like and sees them, what would that mean? Provided you show them examples of clowns and jesters afterwards and ask them if they have seen anything like it in the visions.

those kind of experiments are crucial in our hypothesis that there might be some connecting consciousness that sends information between our species in some ineffable way. Kind of like Rupert Sheldrakes morphic fields theories.


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    #22472102 - 11/03/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Usually the people who say that mean that your using drugs to escape the stress of everyday life. Maybe some people think potheads go into another reality or something. Reality is just the combination of all your senses making electrical signals to your brain. Technically (if the technology existed) you could take someone's brain out hook our brain up to wires and generate any reality you wanted.

We could all be brains in a big warehouse right now all running the same reality software. :crazy2:

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    #22472169 - 11/03/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah nah I hear ya dude it is interesting! I did smoke dmt for years and still do think about it a lot! I've encountered the trickster countless times. What is its purpose in the human mind? Comedy? A lighter approach to this dimension? A driver of art? I certainly don't know...

Clown phobias.. there is something two sided about him isn't there?

Humans round the world do the same things without ever meeting, mask making, dance e.t.c likely a result of these embedded archetypes.


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    #22472214 - 11/03/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

lots of interesting questions :smile:

really hope there is some sort of area of research looking into this stuff :lol:

like do any psychology professors know that you can in relative accuracy stimulate encounter with our most theorized archetypes?

seems like important information to me, if i were in that field of study :/


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    #22472272 - 11/03/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Get into it man, making I will break out the changa and see what I get today!


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    #22472465 - 11/03/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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For me reading Jung actually demystified the psychedelic experience and made me see how the experience was from ME and not from outside.



its funny that research needs to be done in order for you to have made the decision.

The fact that theres ambiguity on its content says something in what really draws the line for us and our decision on what is going on.

i still remain undecided, i dont know the extent of how real the experience can get and dont pretend to know whats truly possible or correct in this experience.


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    #22472892 - 11/03/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well I mean you know the thought like "wow how could my brain possibly come up with that" "it must be something coming to me, a transmission", but then Jung made me realise how much subconscious stuff is going on DEEEEP in there that I cannot perceive.

So in a way the study you are proposing cannot solve the problem, it still comes down to an outlook. Say we go to a untouched tribe in Indonesia, we bring them dmt and get them to smoke it. We then show them pictures of different entities and ask what one was most like the experience, they all point to the jester/trickster.

You walk away saying see! there is some connecting consciousness that sends information between our species in some ineffable way!

I walk away saying see! There are archetypes embedded in human neurology that we all perceive in an altered state.

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    #22474523 - 11/04/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i mentioned the jester thing on youtube and a random dude commented saying this and posting a link to a digital art piece he made very recently.

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I was so surprised when I saw the Jester on my first dmt trip, not what I expected at all






Spooky! right? :eek:
that thing reminds me so much of DMT. daamn.

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    #22474851 - 11/04/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Go's Pretty Deep bro...I began seeing the Jester in my Trips and actually formed the motto that Every Trip is to break yourself down and rebuild that Ego each time.Without even knowing what that Archetype was...Weird right? The Jester visits me on high LSD Trips, I've yet to encounter him in the DMT Zone, but im sure if I did some @ the moment I probably run into him...Yeah his profile actually fits my own, very interesting stuff...:strokebeard:

The Trickster Archetype

The trickster is a very important archetype in the history of man. He is a god, yet he is not. He is the wise-fool. It is he, through his creations that destroy, points out the flaws in carefully constructed societies of man. He rebels against authority, pokes fun at the overly serious, creates convaluted schemes - that may or may not work - plays with the Laws of the Universe and is sometimes his own worst enemy. He exists to question, to cause us to question & not accept things blindly. He appears when a way of thinking becomes outmoded needs to be torn down built anew. He is the Destroyer of Worlds at the same time the savior of us all. In dreams {and myth} the trickster can be seen as
The Fool
The Magician
The Clown
The Jester
The Villian
The Destroyer

What I adopted the Motto without even knowing about this weird right?:strokebeard:


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Psychedelics are drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality. If you think otherwise the drugs are deluding you or the mental illness is. Quite possibly both.



Why do we all see the same space and archetypes?

like the jester, many users report being guided by a jester or "the trickster" A well documented Carl Jung archetype.



To play devil's advocate, it could be a bit of knowing "well my buddy saw a jester on DMT", then it would be fresh on your subconcious and show itself in a visual animated (maybe even speaking) form whilst tripping?

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    #22474936 - 11/04/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah nah I hear ya dude it is interesting! I did smoke dmt for years and still do think about it a lot! I've encountered the trickster countless times. What is its purpose in the human mind? Comedy? A lighter approach to this dimension? A driver of art? I certainly don't know...

Clown phobias.. there is something two sided about him isn't there?

Humans round the world do the same things without ever meeting, mask making, dance e.t.c likely a result of these embedded archetypes.



I love this post though.

That is a really interesting thing about the masks. I think humans like to be slightly unnerved - it is dancing like a human, and under its mask I can hear human speech, but its face is hidden. Uncanny valley is similar and it's very observable when children see mascots. Sometimes they become aggressive or scared and violent; the fear of the unknown thing dancing alarmingly happily with unconfirmable identity is too much for them.

The Jester experience could be a style of unnerved laughter amongst the same vein - through satirical playful impersonations of an evil/incompetent political leader we laugh, but we are subconsciously unnerved the status quo may not be as it seems.


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Psychedelics are drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality. If you think otherwise the drugs are deluding you or the mental illness is. Quite possibly both.



Why do we all see the same space and archetypes?

like the jester, many users report being guided by a jester or "the trickster" A well documented Carl Jung archetype.



To play devil's advocate, it could be a bit of knowing "well my buddy saw a jester on DMT", then it would be fresh on your subconcious and show itself in a visual animated (maybe even speaking) form whilst tripping?

Kind of like subconscious suggestion influencing the experience.




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if you got a bunch of people from another country to smoke DMT that dont know what a clown or jester is or looks like and sees them, what would that mean? Provided you show them examples of clowns and jesters afterwards and ask them if they have seen anything like it in the visions.





Like i said, we should test that theory, all we have is speculation, but from what i gather it definitely is not subconscious suggestion.

The whole DMT experience is carnival-like in its core nature, for everyone pretty much.
I dont see this element of the experience changing because someone wasnt influenced by subconscious suggestion.

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i mentioned the jester thing on youtube and a random dude commented saying this and posting a link to a digital art piece he made very recently.

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I was so surprised when I saw the Jester on my first dmt trip, not what I expected at all






Spooky! right? :eek:
that thing reminds me so much of DMT. daamn.

wonder how deep this shit goes :ooo:




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i mentioned the jester thing on youtube and a random dude commented saying this and posting a link to a digital art piece he made very recently.

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I was so surprised when I saw the Jester on my first dmt trip, not what I expected at all






Spooky! right? :eek:
that thing reminds me so much of DMT. daamn.

wonder how deep this shit goes :ooo:




OMFG It's him! It's him! I have spent countless hours in a stand off with this smirking fucka! Great find SleepyE :shocked: I'm reinterested



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    #22477954 - 11/04/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's turtles all the way down, frankly...

Speaking just for mushrooms, the last few times I've contemplated some sort of weather modification while tripping, if I step outside Coyote (the trickster) will appear in the clouds.  He usually wants to know if I'm serious - because you don't always get what you think you'll get.  Sometimes the results are way greater than expected - and Coyote stands there, sort of juggling the odds (yes, that sort of joker) while he lets me decide - 'cause he's down for it either way, but he's a safeguard of sorts, as well as a goad to those very extremes.

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