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SleepyE
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: satch1234]
#22469348 - 11/03/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah, but mental masturbation can be good for creativity, whats truly important is balance.  With psychedelics you can usually take whatever philosophical approach you are comfortable with and your dosing style will reflect that.
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE]
#22469349 - 11/03/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: dont even get me started on its OCD curative properties, Performance enhancing capability(increase in dopamine = increase in pattern recognition = increase in creativity.
That's a leap. Especially since none of those studies were able to correlate their findings.
See the study from June of this year.
Also, just because the dopaminergic system influences something does *not* mean drugs releasing it or agonizing the receptors (or blocking its reuptake) will enhance creativity. It might be even more likely detrimental due to neuroreceptor downregulation.
Also, weed -> dopamine ???
Hah, I've done psychedelics too many times to find any rush.
I have found some rather refreshing dissociatives, however
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SleepyE
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: micro]
#22469354 - 11/03/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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weed increases creativity too, 
hey i didnt say there wouldnt be any negatives to it, thats obviously the laws of the universe, balance is key.
Dosing heavy twice a year isnt going to hurt shit.
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SleepyE
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE]
#22469358 - 11/03/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i personally found great curative effects for my severe ocd (intrusive thoughts) and i was even treated and diagosed by a therapist, recieved CBT and was put on paxil, and i didnt respond so they called me "treatment resistant."
all im saying is i found relief from my experiences, though as i have matured i dont tend to feed my compulsions so much because i have experience and trust now that it will pass so i can drop it easier.
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SleepyE
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE]
#22469362 - 11/03/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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or maybe everything im saying is bullshit and psychedelics are just magic and are whatever you want them to be.  
i tend to think thats the case, dont worry im well aware im full of shit, maybe..
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Edited by SleepyE (11/03/15 02:34 AM)
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE]
#22469365 - 11/03/15 02:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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oic
i thought you meant weed
hallucinogens have been shown to increase DA levels (or act as partial agonists)
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SleepyE
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: micro]
#22469367 - 11/03/15 02:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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im basing my opinion on michael shermers ted talk so if it indeed is bullshit i apologize for mine and michael shermers ignorance.
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#22469374 - 11/03/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nah, it's solid, but saying "a implies b" would be taking a leap as there are many variables
not too interested who took it out of context
i'm just curious, is all ^^
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SleepyE
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: micro]
#22469388 - 11/03/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ahah no woorries i agree
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voodoochild1000
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE] 2
#22469982 - 11/03/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psychedelics are drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality. If you think otherwise the drugs are deluding you or the mental illness is. Quite possibly both.
man this is the most bullshit cop out ive ever heard.
what separates psychedelics from other "drugs" is the content you are shown.
on DMT, you really have to ask why your mind is working hard to render this incredibly intricate experience. I just dont get how people can compare the brilliance of the visions to a computer with a "code malfunction."
why do we all see the same space and archetypes?
like the jester, many users report being guided by a jester or "the trickster" A well documented Carl Jung archetype.
Lots of fascinating questions come up with psychedelics that we do NOT have answers for, so no, i dont think its "just an escape from reality." Any hesitation to consider the value in that is idiocy at best.
....nice!
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Turtletotem] 1
#22469989 - 11/03/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Mushrooms bring me face to face with the stuff I escape from in daily life and through the use of alcohol & canabis.
A really good joint can throw all your hidden problems and anxieties right into your face too. You think you're gonna have a fun, relaxing evening, but nope; time to re-evaluate your relationship with your father or some shit, 
..Love u Dad... (start crying)... a couple trips back some Jerry came on and I just started bawling for like 10 minutes or more! He's so f****** true!
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: satch1234] 1
#22470012 - 11/03/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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satch1234 said: Nah I agree, mushrooms years ago completely changed my life.. I may not have made it through without them. They made me see the source of my destructive patterns, eating habits, insecurities e.t.c I am so much happier today because of those EARLY experiences.. but I mean after 100+ trips your just mentally masterbaiting.
I enjoy the wild rollercoaster side of the experience now, the come up, the unknown potency of blotters, just the unknown, because you always forget, its a rush. I don't take the enlightened state so seriously now, I have adopted a Hunter Thompson approach and its fun.
...hope I NEVER! Lose the magic....!
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE] 2
#22470021 - 11/03/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: or maybe everything im saying is bullshit and psychedelics are just magic and are whatever you want them to be.  
i tend to think thats the case, dont worry im well aware im full of shit, maybe..
...Magic indeed brother...magic indeed
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MajickMuffin
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voodoochild1000 said:
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SleepyE said:
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ohcrapitsnico said:
Psychedelics are drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality. If you think otherwise the drugs are deluding you or the mental illness is. Quite possibly both.
man this is the most bullshit cop out ive ever heard.
what separates psychedelics from other "drugs" is the content you are shown.
on DMT, you really have to ask why your mind is working hard to render this incredibly intricate experience. I just dont get how people can compare the brilliance of the visions to a computer with a "code malfunction."
why do we all see the same space and archetypes?
like the jester, many users report being guided by a jester or "the trickster" A well documented Carl Jung archetype.
Lots of fascinating questions come up with psychedelics that we do NOT have answers for, so no, i dont think its "just an escape from reality." Any hesitation to consider the value in that is idiocy at best.
....nice! 
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voodoochild1000 said:
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SleepyE said: or maybe everything im saying is bullshit and psychedelics are just magic and are whatever you want them to be.  
i tend to think thats the case, dont worry im well aware im full of shit, maybe..
...Magic indeed brother...magic indeed


Edited by MajickMuffin (11/03/15 10:55 AM)
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Turtletotem
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22470465 - 11/03/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Aww yeah, preach it brothas!
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Forest23]
#22471279 - 11/03/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your Title, Answer NO!! All Psyches enhance reality and like any psyche it shows you to correct in your life and what your doing wrong. defiantly not escape, cause if your looking for escape psyches is not answer. without reality there be No Trip...
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WhoManBeing
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Forest23]
#22471296 - 11/03/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Forest23 said: Or is reality an escape from drugs? I figure when we pass onto the next realm, the state we are in (a spiritual state) is similar to dmt or a high dose of lsd/mushrooms but multiply that by like 100, in the spiritual realm there's no need for drugs since the spiritual realm is about pure love and the brilliance of heaven's light, the feeling one gets from those true emotions is inexpressible, in the spiritual realm we will be asked if we learned from our mistakes in life, hope you guys have a good answer!
  
Turn on your Love light. En.lightenment. AWEsOMe.
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SleepyE
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: WhoManBeing]
#22471701 - 11/03/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Heres another good quote i found researching the The trickster archetype.
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The Trickster Archetype
The trickster is a very important archetype in the history of man. He is a god, yet he is not. He is the wise-fool. It is he, through his creations that destroy, points out the flaws in carefully constructed societies of man. He rebels against authority, pokes fun at the overly serious, creates convaluted schemes - that may or may not work - plays with the Laws of the Universe and is sometimes his own worst enemy. He exists to question, to cause us to question & not accept things blindly. He appears when a way of thinking becomes outmoded needs to be torn down built anew. He is the Destroyer of Worlds at the same time the savior of us all. In dreams {and myth} the trickster can be seen as The Fool The Magician The Clown The Jester The Villian The Destroyer
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Edited by SleepyE (11/03/15 03:47 PM)
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#22471754 - 11/03/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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That Jungian trickster shit blew my mind when I read it travelling threw Asia, genuis
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SleepyE
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: satch1234]
#22471819 - 11/03/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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it blows my mind that there is actual testable legitimacy to the concept.
which is overlooked as woo for most scientific minded individuals.
thats the point i was trying to get across in this forum.
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Edited by SleepyE (11/03/15 04:29 PM)
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