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OfflineForest23
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Are drugs an escape from reality?
    #22467999 - 11/02/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Or is reality an escape from drugs? I figure when we pass onto the next realm, the state we are in (a spiritual state) is similar to dmt or a high dose of lsd/mushrooms but multiply that by like 100, in the spiritual realm there's no need for drugs since the spiritual realm is about pure love and the brilliance of heaven's light, the feeling one gets from those true emotions is inexpressible, in the spiritual realm we will be asked if we learned from our mistakes in life, hope you guys have a good answer!

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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Forest23]
    #22468023 - 11/02/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

To Title: Fuck No.

Drugs are not an ESCAPE from reality, drugs are an ALTERED STATE of reality.

Experiencing reality from other views. Your not escaping shit.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Forest23]
    #22468037 - 11/02/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Drugs a diversified reality, because I prefer tripping over living without purpose but without reality there'd be no point to tripping.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: theshrumnub] * 1
    #22468086 - 11/02/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ummmmm....

...you do realize that your conscious mind suppresses reality. Suppresses emotions and memories and can be used to ignore intellectual truths if they are not convenient.

And that psychedelics enhance all perception, and diversify it.

Psychedelics specifically are the precise opposite of an escape


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22468124 - 11/02/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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MagicalOrangutan said:
Ummmmm....

...you do realize that your conscious mind suppresses reality. Suppresses emotions and memories and can be used to ignore intellectual truths if they are not convenient.

And that psychedelics enhance all perception, and diversify it.

Psychedelics specifically are the precise opposite of an escape



I agree with that


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22468372 - 11/02/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

With Ayahuasca, it helps me to experience more of my reality, and i feel awesome. It does not, in any way, allow me to escape from my reality.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Forest23] * 1
    #22468549 - 11/02/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Forest23 said:
Or is reality an escape from drugs? I figure when we pass onto the next realm, the state we are in (a spiritual state) is similar to dmt or a high dose of lsd/mushrooms but multiply that by like 100, in the spiritual realm there's no need for drugs since the spiritual realm is about pure love and the brilliance of heaven's light, the feeling one gets from those true emotions is inexpressible, in the spiritual realm we will be asked if we learned from our mistakes in life, hope you guys have a good answer!

:rasta::rasta::rasta:



Psychedelics are drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality. If you think otherwise the drugs are deluding you or the mental illness is. Quite possibly both.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #22468614 - 11/02/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Forest23 said:
Or is reality an escape from drugs? I figure when we pass onto the next realm, the state we are in (a spiritual state) is similar to dmt or a high dose of lsd/mushrooms but multiply that by like 100, in the spiritual realm there's no need for drugs since the spiritual realm is about pure love and the brilliance of heaven's light, the feeling one gets from those true emotions is inexpressible, in the spiritual realm we will be asked if we learned from our mistakes in life, hope you guys have a good answer!

:rasta::rasta::rasta:



Psychedelics are drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality. If you think otherwise the drugs are deluding you or the mental illness is. Quite possibly both.




....OK bruh,...if u say so:canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: voodoochild1000] * 1
    #22468803 - 11/02/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Drugs are simply a different way to experience reality. They can be used as medicine, as performance enhancers or to escape from you are currently experiencing.

Despite the fact that some people think psychedelics can't be used as an escape since they tend to intensify reality and bring psychological issues to the forefront, this is actually not the case in my experience.

I believe I have abused psychedelics and I believe others here have as well. Even though psychedelics bring our issues to the forefront of our minds, it is possible to ignore that/not act on it. For example, I have often used psychedelics to simply "bliss out" by listening to my favorite music and just enjoying the audio enhancement and deeper emotional connection.

Of course psychedelics won't allow you to completely get away with this, at some point they will throw your issues in your face. But you can still ignore it as soon as the trip ends and you will actually end up damaging yourself even more emotionally. Then you can do trip again and do the same thing and just keep enjoying tripping without growing spiritually or emotionally. There are lots of people who abuse acid and mushrooms and don't become enligttened individuals, so it is definitely possible to use them as an escape. They're just not as good as some drugs for that purpose.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22468816 - 11/02/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i think it depends on how you use them but they definitely can be


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Forest23]
    #22468911 - 11/02/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Human reality is the "fake" one! That doesn't mean leave it completely and abandon responsibilities you may have once you realize it. Change the way you live till you can abandon it and do what you really want.
All you gain will be lost. See through the game and we will prevail. Keep taking it as the only thing that is and we're going to kill ourselves through our selfishly destructive behavior.






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Obscured were the dark veils of Ain Sof
So for us to reveal the Stygian fires
that burned in sordid manifestation

Everlastingly removing the demiurgic acolytes and all existential marks
There lurked three strides, guiding the legion of acausal vitalities
To the nests of silence, the womb of dreamlessness

Or She-ein bo Mahshavah
It is from your light
Or She-ein bo Mahshavah
It is from your fires

It is from the source, ceaselessly unified with acosmic genesis

Evoke the silence of Tehom that precedes the deficient formation of creator

For it is within the silence that the Dark Gods emanate
and the end shall become yet again and again

All acts against god shall reflect the adverse tree
burning the offsprings in flames of Moloch
and harvest the crack of the circle
Whereas, the sins of man transcend prana to Sitra Atra
and our fall diffuse the emission of the black light

When Naamah weaves her web into Malkuth,
the higher into spheres we attain
the deep humanity descends into nothingness

Or She-ein bo Mahshavah
It is from your light
Or She-ein bo Mahshavah
It is from your fires

I inscribe my own husk, foreknowing to dissolve in death
and renewal shall wake myself to the only light that there is

For I shall remove all sublunar commandments
and offer the I to the light of Samael
so for me obtain glimpses of the wyrd

The passage to Black Sun transmits loss
and from loss emerges insight eternally
I enter the abyss devoid of human obstructions
devoid of the cosmic disguise

In the innermost of revelations,
the portal of Thaumiel unseals
and I gaze through the eye of Lucifer
to hearken my call and evolve, I the self creator


The requiems in Universe B howl and the requiems are mine
I am the iconoclast of delusions,
the Lord of the sole Universe that is beyond

Evoke the silence of Tehom that precedes the deficient formation of the creator

For it is within the silence that the Dark Gods emanate
and the end shall become yet again




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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22469163 - 11/03/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely an escape for me! :grin: I used to run the O they help me feel more, see more blah blah routine.. then after years I realised I was full of shit ha.

Got some tabs for this weekend and can't wait to break the monotonous sobriety!

Don't get me wrong they can do a lot for you, but it is also just fuckin exhilarating and fun.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: satch1234]
    #22469182 - 11/03/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well it really depends on what drugs are being used, and for what purpose. Drugs can definitely be used to escape reality, without a doubt. It is all about intensions. They can show new ways to view the situation we are in, or help block it out.

This is not a yes or no question, there are a lot of variables at play here. It certainly differs from person to person, but it is not the drugs that are the escape, unless used for such purpose.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22469257 - 11/03/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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MajickMuffin said:
To Title: Fuck No.

Drugs are not an ESCAPE from reality, drugs are an ALTERED STATE of reality.

Experiencing reality from other views. Your not escaping shit.



Best shit I've ever heard


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In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: BrotherManBill]
    #22469258 - 11/03/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

For instance, mushrooms are ABSOLUTLY NOT AN ESCAPE FROM REALITY : the point of mushrooms is to multiply x10000000 your reality, and alter it too of course. But you're feeling depressed? ok there's 80% of chance this feeeling will be increased A LOT with mushrooms. You're feeeling at the best of your life? your trip is probably going to be one of the most memorable experience of your life.

And this work for everything : you love nature while tripping, you experience the songs at their highest potential and so on and so on...

Some drugs are an escape tho, maybe heroin, opium.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: ohcrapitsnico] * 1
    #22469272 - 11/03/15 01:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Psychedelics are drugs. Drugs are an escape from reality. If you think otherwise the drugs are deluding you or the mental illness is. Quite possibly both.



man this is the most bullshit cop out ive ever heard.

what separates psychedelics from other "drugs" is the content you are shown.

on DMT, you really have to ask why your mind is working hard to render this incredibly intricate experience. I just dont get how people can compare the brilliance of the visions to a computer with a "code malfunction."

why do we all see the same space and archetypes?

like the jester, many users report being guided by a jester or "the trickster" A well documented Carl Jung archetype.

Lots of fascinating questions come up with psychedelics that we do NOT have answers for, so no, i dont think its "just an escape from reality.":nojustno:
Any hesitation to consider the value in that is idiocy at best.


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE]
    #22469299 - 11/03/15 01:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

although the quote is rather myopic so is precluding the idea, altogether

some people definitely use psychedelics as an escape

generally people who are aiming for escape wouldn't pick psychedelics though :V


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: micro]
    #22469304 - 11/03/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Mushrooms bring me face to face with the stuff I escape from in daily life and through the use of alcohol & canabis.

A really good joint can throw all your hidden problems and anxieties right into your face too. You think you're gonna have a fun, relaxing evening, but nope; time to re-evaluate your relationship with your father or some shit, :lol:


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #22469310 - 11/03/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

dont even get me started on its OCD curative properties, Performance enhancing capability(increase in dopamine = increase in pattern recognition = increase in creativity.

didnt you watch the documentary on silicon valley heads using psychedelics to push the creative envelope.

suggest ya'll nay sayers do a little reading :yesnod:


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Re: Are drugs an escape from reality? [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #22469331 - 11/03/15 02:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Nah I agree, mushrooms years ago completely changed my life.. I may not have made it through without them. They made me see the source of my destructive patterns, eating habits, insecurities e.t.c I am so much happier today because of those EARLY experiences.. but I mean after 100+ trips your just mentally masterbaiting.

I enjoy the wild rollercoaster side of the experience now, the come up, the unknown potency of blotters, just the unknown, because you always forget, its a rush. I don't take the enlightened state so seriously now, I have adopted a Hunter Thompson approach and its fun.


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