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When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia?
    #22466716 - 11/02/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I sure enjoy my out of body journeys and the increase of my perception and awareness is totally awesome.

The thing I wonder about is, why when I come back to my physical body, does a great deal of the memory of where I have wandered to, and the things I have come to understand while away seem to be forgotten.

While on my journey out of body, I often will say, " I will remember that, or this.....only to discover when I return that the thing which i wanted to recall is not there to remember.....faded into a bliss of amnesia.


anyone else encountering this?


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: Vitalux]
    #22466871 - 11/02/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

How long do you meditate for before you go out of body?


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: HardTrippin]
    #22467349 - 11/02/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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How long do you meditate for before you go out of body?




Generally between two and three hours on average.

I often meditate twice a day, for about two hours each time.

Where I go to is quite vivid but it appears to be a land where nothing is made of matter. Hard to explain, it is like I am like a kind of spiritual fish, swimming in an ocean of intelligent energy.

I have a huge expansion of awareness, but when I come back to this place, it is like the energy in which I am swimming, suddenly freezes into matter and I am stuck it a horrible avatar


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: Vitalux]
    #22467536 - 11/02/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

you are not supposed to consciously remember. you are not ready yet.


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #22467687 - 11/02/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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you are not supposed to consciously remember. you are not ready yet.





This place that I go to in meditation, the non-physical, is that where we dwell normally when we die?

I must admit it is relaxing, and in most cases I have no problem with existing in that place forever.

WHen I am on this side of reality, the other side seems like a place I do not wish to be. But when I cross over, I have no problem staying there.

If my darn body did not give out, I probably would spend many more hours there.


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: Vitalux] * 1
    #22467860 - 11/02/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

there is no non-physical/physical place because YOU do not exist. you cant GO anywhere. there is no one who can go. what you experienced was a state of egoless being (imo). its a reminder, like a beacon in the fog of life. there are no sides or divisions. it is your ego that is drawing these lines even as youre reading this. you are there right now as you always are. i am there too. understand this.


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: Vitalux]
    #22467922 - 11/02/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

when meditating the place you "go to" is true reality, simply an energetic field of consciousness that by design has no beginning or end. It is the entity that creates "you".
The five physical senses turn off and your inner senses take over dropping the need for the physical antennae for this energy and return to the energy itself.

You have nothing to remember because there is everything to remember if that makes sense. The closest thing we can do from this perspective in this body is to use our imaginations. Because in that place every single thing in physical reality and every experience is all there all at once. It is timeless and therefore all events happens all at once. This is also the dual meaning of the singularity in that timeless place of big bang and big freeze (see the cyclical universe thread!) apex spots.



Sometimes I get the impression that deja vu is the closest thing to a memory of one of your meditations journeys within.

Sometimes when I write out these experiences I've had in some of these threads I get a trembling feeling inside and sometimes my vision and even my fingers will tremble slightly. Typing this now is the fourth time I've been experiencing this. Strange.


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: nuentoter]
    #22467984 - 11/02/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

nuentotor!~!!  hehe  ya... deja vu is.. remarkable.. a beautiful sign.  looking into the future is very nice, etc... time is not entirely linear, etc.  same thing with me -- experiencing things before they happen and various things like that -- there's lots of variations and so on ..

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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: Vitalux]
    #22468205 - 11/02/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Vitalux said:
I sure enjoy my out of body journeys and the increase of my perception and awareness is totally awesome.

The think I wonder about is, why when I come back to my physical body, does a great deal of the memory of where I have wander to, and the things I have come to understand while away.

While on my journey out of body, I often will say, " I will remember that, or this.....only to discover when I return that the thing which i wanted to recall is not there to remember...


anyone else encountering this?




Everyone dreams every time they are asleep; but at times they doesn't remember what they had dreamed about, eventhough they wake up trying to remember it, but it fade away very quickly from their mind. Dejavu is a feeling that you had been there in a certain situation or done this before, but all it is a recollection of a dream that you have had but forgotten all about it. I know that in the scriptures, it says that God remember certain things or events as if it is a privilege for God to remember it. But it does away says that if someone keep on doing evil, that He will blot them out of His and our minds. I assuming that God has control over everything, even our minds.


  Jeremiah 31:34 No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the Lord. “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”

Exodus 17:14 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this on a scroll as something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it, because I will completely blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven.”

Nehemiah 13:14 Remember me for this, my God, and do not blot out what I have so faithfully done for the house of my God and its services.

Revelation 21:4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Luke 23:42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”

John 14:9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Matthew 13:19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path.

John 14:26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: nuentoter]
    #22468588 - 11/02/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I actually feel so relieved talking and finding out that I am not alone in finding this mystical place.

I've been experiencing it for a while and for the most part it appears progressive. Each time I appear to gain a bit more insight.

The wild part is that when I am in that non-physical reality I can understand so many things due to seeing things from so many different perspectives.

This is the first time I have found people discussing this place.

It is really strange, but every aspect of reality has changed for me.
I now longer believe in so many things that I use to.

No real Earth, no real universe filled with galaxies and stars. Just a grand illusion like a play.


Question: Is everyone else as real as me ( here in this Earth Reality), or am I just shadow boxing with my illusions?:shrug:


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: Vitalux]
    #22468847 - 11/02/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The thing is that you have to ask yourself, does it really matter? If everything you know from your neighbor to the grass outside to the farthest cosmos, were in fact simply projections of creativity and imagination sent out from yourself and you use this physical structure to experience some of it in a linear fashion and everything is a part of and a mirror of you. Does it really matter?

Personally it doesn't, it's a hefty weight lifted off my shoulders that I can't really fuck things up in any real sense. I don't have to worry about things,I can stop taking things so seriously and just relax, and go along for the ride. Help write the story.  If it is all really a big game then I'm glad I've been playing and even happier it's just a game.

I know the feeling of having experiences and not being able to talk about them because people you know in real life would look at you like you have three heads or need anti psychotic meds.


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: nuentoter]
    #22468929 - 11/02/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

following this


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: Vitalux]
    #22469028 - 11/02/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Vitalux said:
I sure enjoy my out of body journeys and the increase of my perception and awareness is totally awesome.

The think I wonder about is, why when I come back to my physical body, does a great deal of the memory of where I have wander to, and the things I have come to understand while away.

While on my journey out of body, I often will say, " I will remember that, or this.....only to discover when I return that the thing which i wanted to recall is not there to remember...


anyone else encountering this?


I chose to just accept it. If I rem embed all my esoteric experience, and to a deep extent I get it from writings to.

But I think their is blocks set in place. In my experience anyway. One thing I firmly believe if you took the oranges to apples in conscious day to day awareness, insanity. I just gave up and trusted. My life would suck yet I still could, go deep as I want to with tools and/or lessons from meditation, lucid dreaming. How far? Oranges being the spirit world and apples conscious life.

Free will, the landscape is extremely large.


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: suttree]
    #22469035 - 11/02/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

God, I think I crossed it allready. Babbling nonsense. Trying to dull my being deeply.


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: suttree]
    #22469229 - 11/03/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Vitalux said:
I sure enjoy my out of body journeys and the increase of my perception and awareness is totally awesome.

The think I wonder about is, why when I come back to my physical body, does a great deal of the memory of where I have wander to, and the things I have come to understand while away.

While on my journey out of body, I often will say, " I will remember that, or this.....only to discover when I return that the thing which i wanted to recall is not there to remember...


anyone else encountering this?


I chose to just accept it. If I rem embed all my esoteric experience, and to a deep extent I get it from writings to.

But I think their is blocks set in place. In my experience anyway. One thing I firmly believe if you took the oranges to apples in conscious day to day awareness, insanity. I just gave up and trusted. My life would suck yet I still could, go deep as I want to with tools and/or lessons from meditation, lucid dreaming. How far? Oranges being the spirit world and apples conscious life.

Free will, the landscape is extremely large.





I was once told something very interesting, discussing memory loss in a state of open mind (although I havent astral projected... I think... It was something though)

Memories have to have other memories to bind to - or else we cannot remember them.

These experiences are so out of human experience - for example - I have experienced not being. The human mind always organizes the self as there - so to have that changed is outside of literal human experience.

Well, except to those who open up and find it.

I think as we explore these states of open mind more, we will be able to have more memories for these amazing experiences to bind to. As we keep exploring, we will know and remember more.



It's my theory anyway






By the way - any tips on starting astral projection? So far I've only broken reality and the self


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: nuentoter]
    #22469405 - 11/03/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I know the feeling of having experiences and not being able to talk about them because people you know in real life would look at you like you have three heads or need anti psychotic meds.





Thank you very much my fellow shroomer. :thanx:
I must express my sincere gratitude for your posts here. I have been feeling so alone, so isolated, and pretty much wandering around in my own little world here. Since discovering this place (out of body experiences)


It is quite difficult to try and discuss these things with my old friends, family, and pretty much anyone else.

My guess is the information finds its way to us, as we are ready to take it in. Kind of like ascending a staircase of awareness.


After 2 hours of meditation today, I was able to imagine a way to try and explain the difficulty in trying to explain what it is like having an our of body experience where you go into the none physical.


Imagine yourself on a Ferris wheel and totally imagine what you see and how you feel..

...Now, go and try and explain that experience to a person who has been totally blind from birth and who can not understand much english :shrug:(language barrier)


sorry about my ramble post, I needed to just vent a bit


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: Vitalux]
    #22469513 - 11/03/15 04:36 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I definitely get the analogy, there is a language gap where the person may know the words your saying but not be able to string them together properly to make cohesive mind images. This is because what you are saying is so far out of their personal experience it's unrelatable and what your saying might as well be another language, your right.

There is also the personal fear that if I tell the wrong person they will start telling other people that I'm losing grip on reality out some shit.

I have no fear of ridicule or rejection here because people either connect and appreciate what I have to share, and I'm glad I did. Or they don't and I don't care then.


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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: nuentoter]
    #22470676 - 11/03/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

ya Vita :sun: some wonderful info and people here, it can be really nice
to all; will be camping & hiking for a few months; will be back in 2-3 months, thereabouts..
have a wonderful time & be kind to mother earth :sun:
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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: Vitalux]
    #22471723 - 11/03/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: When I go on my out of body journeys during meditation, why do I come back with amnesia? [Re: PocketLady] * 1
    #22471736 - 11/03/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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