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Phreakr
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a few questions, LC and Print Making Vs Potency.
#7490387 - 10/06/07 02:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey all, I have a few questions, the first is about potency. So i'm nearing the ned of my first flush (i'm gona trip next weekend after drying... woohoo lol) And i want to make some prints. Well, prints from every cap basically. I want to use some computer paper, folded, put into ziplocks, I'm not much of a fan of foil, will they be ok to use this way? And most importantly, if i wait for all caps to open up to almost flat to pick the caps to make prints, will i loose potency? like actually loose psyclobin, or just have more mushroom per psyclobin?
And my second (well kinda 3rd question). I have made an LC of a really nice 12cm shroom And hopefully the LC will not contam, just as my trial LC didn't. Now i want to have this sort of setup, make a LC, and then get fruits from that LC, can i then use those fruits to make a new LC to in turn make more fruits? Since this is the one mycelium going from LC to fruit to LC to fruit etc, i'm assuming it can't be done. But want to ask, because i dont want to be storing master LC in the fridge from grow to grow. Thanks guys, for all your help, without it i most definately wouldn't be able to even ask this question. Because i would definately have failed miserably by now.
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roquet
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Re: a few questions, LC and Print Making Vs Potency. [Re: Phreakr]
#7490486 - 10/06/07 05:00 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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if i wait for all caps to open up to almost flat to pick the caps to make prints, will i loose potency? like actually loose psyclobin
You lose potency, not psilocybin.
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or just have more mushroom per psyclobin?
Yes. (Mushroom mass to psilocybin ratio is the potency.)
Question 2: making LC from a fruit is cloning. That's standard practice. You'll find you can do a lot of grows from one lc. And you can always make more lc from the master lc. So running out of lc isn't really an issue. If you clone a fruit from a clone lc, that's a 2nd generation clone. With successive generations you might risk them becoming sterile and no longer fruiting, though some people say that isn't much of a problem. I'm not sure what advantage you get going beyond a 1st generation clone, as it will contain the same genetic material.
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shroomerite
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Re: a few questions, LC and Print Making Vs Potency. [Re: roquet]
#7490516 - 10/06/07 05:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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roquet said:
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if i wait for all caps to open up to almost flat to pick the caps to make prints, will i loose potency? like actually loose psyclobin
You lose potency, not psilocybin.
This is one of those myth debates. Some say pick right before the veil brakes. Some say when the cap opens. Most pick right before spores drop to prevent a mess and nastier tasting shroomies. I would personaly pick right when the veils are breaking on about 50%. You could of course wait longer because you want prints. IMO, if there is a potency lose, it is so minute you wouldnt be able to tell. This is all my opinion from reading these boards on the topic. One could always get a Gascromaticgraph and measure it I suppose. Congrats on the grow
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mycocurious
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Re: a few questions, LC and Print Making Vs Potency. [Re: shroomerite]
#7490556 - 10/06/07 06:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's my opinion on the matter. If spores contained any actives whatsoever they would fall under Schedule I of the U.N. Convention of Psychotropic Substances...or in other words, they'd be illegal. Spores have no actives, printing does not diminish their potency.
Paper (IMHO) is not a very good printing medium, it absorbs humidity around it, it's dirty, it's a nutritional food-source and therefore contaminates easily...I could go on. Aluminum foil on the other hand is clean and sterile simply because of it's manufacturing process. Just pull off about two feet and leave it in your kitchen, and then pull another foot off and use _that_ for your print.
Also, extracting a print from paper is rather difficult because as the spores dehydrate they tend to bond permanently to the paper and wont let go, even after being rehydrated. I'm not a fan of aluminum either, but in this case it definitely is the better of the two options.
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roquet
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Re: a few questions, LC and Print Making Vs Potency. [Re: mycocurious]
#7490632 - 10/06/07 07:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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mycocurious said: Here's my opinion on the matter. If spores contained any actives whatsoever they would fall under Schedule I of the U.N. Convention of Psychotropic Substances...or in other words, they'd be illegal. Spores have no actives, printing does not diminish their potency.
don't think anyone was suggesting spores contain psilocybin. The question is whether psilocybin production stops when the veil breaks. If it does and the mushroom continues growing, that means reduced potency.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: a few questions, LC and Print Making Vs Potency. [Re: roquet]
#7490645 - 10/06/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If they're for printing, let the caps begin to drop spores prior to picking. Don't let the caps flatten all the way out because that wastes your spores and makes a mess all over your grow chamber. If they're for eating, pick just prior to veil tear for best overall quality.
I agree that paper is a poor printing medium. Its porous surface attracts and holds contaminants, and the lime and acids used in production gives paper a wildly varied pH, which doesn't do much for the spores longevity. I use foil. RR
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roquet
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Re: a few questions, LC and Print Making Vs Potency. [Re: Phreakr]
#7490683 - 10/06/07 08:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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RR, do you know if the gills are wavy immediately after the veil breaks and straighten out later? Or do some caps start with wavy gills and others with straight ones?
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Re: a few questions, LC and Print Making Vs Potency. [Re: mycocurious]
#22466563 - 11/02/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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mycocurious said: Paper (IMHO) is not a very good printing medium, it absorbs humidity around it, it's dirty, it's a nutritional food-source and therefore contaminates easily...I could go on. Aluminum foil on the other hand is clean and sterile simply because of it's manufacturing process. Just pull off about two feet and leave it in your kitchen, and then pull another foot off and use _that_ for your print.
Do you have a preference between paper or aluminum foil in taking a spore print simply for genus/species identification purposes. Would the print color be clearer on one more than another? I was looking at this Conocybe coprophila print photo (not sure who's photo) and felt like the aluminum surface brings out that rusty brown very well. Curious to hear someone's opinion.
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