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Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread
#22466440 - 11/02/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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We all have our own perception of what the system should be. Some want next to 0 taxes others want next to unlimited tax fund services.
Let's try to avoid labels because for some reason people now identify each other by their their political leanings and I think it shouldn't be that way.
What part of your belief are you willing to give up in order to satisfy the other side? What are you willing to accept from them and still be able to go to sleep at night?
Keep it clean people. Let's actually try to have an actual conversation instead of the typical dumb ass conversation that always ends up with two camps pitted against each other both saying how crazy their opinions are. Last I checked, it has never ever lead anyone to change their minds about anything yet alone have the intelligence required to make a compromise.
So do you guys think you are actually smart enough to give something up without losing your shit?
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: Patlal]
#22466623 - 11/02/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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We need a tax code that does not require an entire multi billion dollar industry to interpret. It also needs to be transparent. Most people don't know that their employer matches their FICA. Employers should not be forced to act as tax collectors. Then let us trash all the fucking bullshit special deductions for businesses founded on the fourth of July in 1966 in Carson City, Nevada. Stop social engineering with the marriage distinction. Everybody files as an individual. No deductions for charitable donations and no tax on estates. All income earned in the US is taxable only at the personal income tax level. Foreign earned income is not taxed at all in the US. No corporate tax at all. That eliminates crony capitalism. Interest is deductible as a business expense just like materials or labor.
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: zappaisgod]
#22466639 - 11/02/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Would you be willing to accept a small 10% corporate tax? They do use the roads, acquire and they are within the border. If the law sees a corporation as a person, then this said person should pay his share.
Completely agree on the marriage thing. It discriminates against single people. It give them perks that I cannot have access too. It's harder financially when you're single too. You have to assume all the costs yourself.
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: Patlal]
#22469294 - 11/03/15 01:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: We all have our own perception of what the system should be. Some want next to 0 taxes others want next to unlimited tax fund services.
Let's try to avoid labels because for some reason people now identify each other by their their political leanings and I think it shouldn't be that way.
What part of your belief are you willing to give up in order to satisfy the other side? What are you willing to accept from them and still be able to go to sleep at night?
Keep it clean people. Let's actually try to have an actual conversation instead of the typical dumb ass conversation that always ends up with two camps pitted against each other both saying how crazy their opinions are. Last I checked, it has never ever lead anyone to change their minds about anything yet alone have the intelligence required to make a compromise.
So do you guys think you are actually smart enough to give something up without losing your shit?
I'm on the consistent side: 0 taxes- if the government wants some funds, have the gov collect the funds with fees on the services they provide.
Or you could be on the inconstent side: Government gets to pick and choose who and what they tax and how much tax, give money to the chosen winners, and fuck all others. All at the small cost of 123 Trillion dollars to the taxpayers of the USA- hey but we get roads, (Because roads wouldn't exist without government) ROFLMAO
 http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Edited by burgerbrain (11/03/15 02:03 AM)
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: burgerbrain]
#22469317 - 11/03/15 01:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: I'm on the consistent side: 0 taxes- if the government wants some funds, have the gov collect the funds with fees on the services they provide.
How would the military get funded?
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22469347 - 11/03/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: I'm on the consistent side: 0 taxes- if the government wants some funds, have the gov collect the funds with fees on the services they provide.
How would the military get funded?
Good question, I always enjoy educating you guys.
We have 150 Million armed citizens, I doubt we need a military unless it's to invade another country.
In the old days countries would plunder the conquered territory, why can't this pay for itself? Oh yeah we need your tax dollars, pay up you poor fuckers (to the tune of 123 Trillion dollars)
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: burgerbrain]
#22469400 - 11/03/15 03:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: How would the military get funded?
Good question, I always enjoy educating you guys.
The only education I've gotten from you is how little you know, and this is no exception.
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burgerbrain said: We have 150 Million armed citizens, I doubt we need a military unless it's to invade another country.
In the old days countries would plunder the conquered territory, why can't this pay for itself?
If guns are all we have to defend ourselves against another country that has jets, bombs, ships, tanks, etc, I think we'd be invaded rather soon, and I think we'd lose rather quickly.
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burgerbrain said: Oh yeah we need your tax dollars, pay up you poor fuckers (to the tune of 123 Trillion dollars)
Give me a break with $123 trillion. You can't count future liabilities because those will be paid for with future dollars.
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22470349 - 11/03/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: How would the military get funded?
Good question, I always enjoy educating you guys.
The only education I've gotten from you is how little you know, and this is no exception.
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burgerbrain said: We have 150 Million armed citizens, I doubt we need a military unless it's to invade another country.
In the old days countries would plunder the conquered territory, why can't this pay for itself?
If guns are all we have to defend ourselves against another country that has jets, bombs, ships, tanks, etc, I think we'd be invaded rather soon, and I think we'd lose rather quickly.
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burgerbrain said: Oh yeah we need your tax dollars, pay up you poor fuckers (to the tune of 123 Trillion dollars)
Give me a break with $123 trillion. You can't count future liabilities because those will be paid for with future dollars. 
Actually I've educated you enough in this thread, you should be paying me for my education services
Without the gov; Me or my family or my company, would be able to afford a jet, a bomb, a tank, a ship. Liability per taxpayer: $828,892 - I could afford a lot of nice weapons. I guess you didn't have any idea that some countries operate without a military.
So you're wrong again, per usual.
Are you advocating military invasions of other countries? You're doing your best to defend the government- I guess because without the gov' you would starve (food stamps and all).
$123 Trillion is what TAXPAYERS will wind up paying (financial promises by our government), yes we're already $20 Trillion in debt because of the gov'.
Do you know what "Liability per taxpayer" means? http://www.usdebtclock.org/
"Give me a break with $123 trillion. You can't count future liabilities because those will be paid for with future dollars." - Falcon91Wolvrn03
Who do you think will have to pay that money? Future dollars should be just as good as today's dollars, or are you expecting our money to resemble Zimbabwe's money? What if, contrary to socialist retard logic, the dollar was worth MORE in the future- that would rob the taxpayer even more. You're not very good at debate are you?
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: burgerbrain]
#22473043 - 11/03/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess you didn't have any idea that some countries operate without a military.
cool; which ones? i mean, since you are handing out free educations...
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#22473108 - 11/03/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess you didn't have any idea that some countries operate without a military.
cool; which ones? i mean, since you are handing out free educations...
Iceland?
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22473147 - 11/03/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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so we should be more like iceland?
i thought you 2 were just arguing against that in another thread recently?
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: burgerbrain]
#22473493 - 11/03/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: Actually I've educated you enough in this thread, you should be paying me for my education services
Without the gov; Me or my family or my company, would be able to afford a jet, a bomb, a tank, a ship. Liability per taxpayer: $828,892 - I could afford a lot of nice weapons.
So you're wrong again, per usual.
I'll use my extra money to buy a pool, stock up my liquor cabinet, and take a few extravagant vacations. You can buy a bomb with that money if you want. Oh, and your cost just went up because I opted out.
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burgerbrain said: Are you advocating military invasions of other countries? You're doing your best to defend the government- I guess because without the gov' you would starve (food stamps and all).
I'm advocating a national defense. I don't use 'food stamps and all', so I wouldn't starve without them.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Give me a break with $123 trillion. You can't count future liabilities because those will be paid for with future dollars
Who do you think will have to pay that money? Future dollars should be just as good as today's dollars, or are you expecting our money to resemble Zimbabwe's money? What if, contrary to socialist retard logic, the dollar was worth MORE in the future- that would rob the taxpayer even more. You're not very good at debate are you?
If anyone can interpret what b-brain just said, I'd really appreciate a translation.
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22473571 - 11/03/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: so we should be more like iceland?
i thought you 2 were just arguing against that in another thread recently?
Straw manning again I see, take that shit somewhere else.Quote:
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burgerbrain said: Actually I've educated you enough in this thread, you should be paying me for my education services
Without the gov; Me or my family or my company, would be able to afford a jet, a bomb, a tank, a ship. Liability per taxpayer: $828,892 - I could afford a lot of nice weapons.
So you're wrong again, per usual.
I'll use my extra money to buy a pool, stock up my liquor cabinet, and take a few extravagant vacations. You can buy a bomb with that money if you want. Oh, and your cost just went up because I opted out.
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burgerbrain said: Are you advocating military invasions of other countries? You're doing your best to defend the government- I guess because without the gov' you would starve (food stamps and all).
I'm advocating a national defense. I don't use 'food stamps and all', so I wouldn't starve without them.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Give me a break with $123 trillion. You can't count future liabilities because those will be paid for with future dollars
Who do you think will have to pay that money? Future dollars should be just as good as today's dollars, or are you expecting our money to resemble Zimbabwe's money? What if, contrary to socialist retard logic, the dollar was worth MORE in the future- that would rob the taxpayer even more. You're not very good at debate are you?
If anyone can interpret what b-brain just said, I'd really appreciate a translation.
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: If guns are all we have to defend ourselves against another country that has jets, bombs, ships, tanks, etc, I think we'd be invaded rather soon, and I think we'd lose rather quickly.
I've already told you what a national defense would look like without the government, and you didn't comment further. I win, you lose.
Any other bright ideas?
Oh yeah and this one should go in the record books: Please feel free to explain why future liabilities "don't count" economically? What are these "future dollars" you're talking about? ROFLMAO
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Give me a break with $123 trillion. You can't count future liabilities because those will be paid for with future dollars
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: burgerbrain]
#22473702 - 11/03/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: so we should be more like iceland?
i thought you 2 were just arguing against that in another thread recently?
Straw manning again I see, take that shit somewhere else.
ok, so educate me, smart guy. what other country without an army should we emulate?
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#22473790 - 11/03/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said:
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burgerbrain said:
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ballsalsa said: so we should be more like iceland?
i thought you 2 were just arguing against that in another thread recently?
Straw manning again I see, take that shit somewhere else.
ok, so educate me, smart guy. what other country without an army should we emulate?
Who said the US should emulate an entire country? I was merely talking about the military system. You're not very good at debate are you, USPS worker?
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#22473823 - 11/03/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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wow, you must be like sherlock holmes or something if you deduced my profession so accurately. Truly genius.
Anyway, instead of dodging, why don't you answer my question about your original statement? did you forget? here, i'll help:
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burgerbrain said: I guess you didn't have any idea that some countries operate without a military.
cool; which ones? i mean, since you are handing out free educations...
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#22473836 - 11/03/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: wow, you must be like sherlock holmes or something if you deduced my profession so accurately. Truly genius.
Anyway, instead of dodging, why don't you answer my question about your original statement? did you forget? here, i'll help:
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burgerbrain said: I guess you didn't have any idea that some countries operate without a military.
cool; which ones? i mean, since you are handing out free educations...
Oh cool. Mind if I call you USPSBalls?
Yes and you got 1 example of a country (there are many more)-hu answered your silly little question, why don't you just STFU and learn something for a change?
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: burgerbrain]
#22473852 - 11/03/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i was hoping you would answer. not all of them of course. maybe a short list of 5.
as for the usps thing, i was clearly joking with you. though my trade is not secret, and i'm sure someone as brilliant as you could figure it out with a little judicious use of the search function.
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#22473872 - 11/03/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nope, you won't find it in my user gallery
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Re: Let's try an economical/political COMPROMISE thread [Re: ballsalsa]
#22473879 - 11/03/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: i was hoping you would answer. not all of them of course. maybe a short list of 5.
as for the usps thing, i was clearly joking with you. though my trade is not secret, and i'm sure someone as brilliant as you could figure it out with a little judicious use of the search function.
Dude you heart the USPS, might as well be working for them since you spread the word that they're a legitimate, profitable, business. (Which is a blatant lie)
Nah nobody needs to list them because a list is irrelevant- Obviously a military-less society is achievable which is the only point that matters when it comes to the subject of taxes.
PS. Why would I look someone up? A gov' shill could post whatever persona he wanted on any internet forum, doesn't make them less of a gov' shill
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