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Psytanium
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Good fruiting environment but no pins yet
#22465586 - 11/02/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hello,
I need some help identifying if my case have a problem and what is it.
3 jars colonized in 1 month, then crumbled completely to grains in a case between 2 PC vermiculite layer. I closed the case to allow the mycelium to recover, 2 weeks later, but nothing happened, still no mycelium showing on top or on the sides, grains still separated. So i decided to open the case to fresh air hoping the mycelium recover and expand and thats what happened.
Now as you can see in the pictures, mycelium (or maybe cobweb) is covering the top surface without any knots and pins. 10 days passed, no odor or susceptible colors. Im fanning the chamber 4 to 6 times per day, misting 3 or 4 times, temperature 20 - 22 C.
Im confused if there is a contamination, or is the mycelium going to overlay, or its a matter of time and patience, etc.. Your advice is appreciated.


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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: Psytanium]
#22465605 - 11/02/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did you crumble BRF jars? If so you wanted to mix it all up. Myc isn't supposed to colonize verm as it has very little to no nutrition and mainly used as a filler or casing layer.
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How and when did those grains happen? I'm confused af.
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Psytanium
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I don't use brown rice flour, its a whole grain spawn.
Is there some contaminants that don't have any odor and have white or no color? Other than cobweb.
LocN9ne, i didn't get your question.
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: Psytanium]
#22465689 - 11/02/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You need coir in there too brother not just verm.
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: Psytanium]
#22465694 - 11/02/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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My bad, I read that as you crumbled brf cakes into a tray then added grain...way off, my fault... looks like myc to me...you already put it in fruiting conditions so keep it glistening with water and see what happens.
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: LocN9ne]
#22465697 - 11/02/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah the verm will probably act as a casing and fruit straight from the grains.
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It can take a few weeks before you get pins.
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22465774 - 11/02/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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is it really bad that the mice grows over the casing like that?
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22465779 - 11/02/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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DrCrumbs said: It can take a few weeks before you get pins.
This. Give it some time, it looks alright. FYI spawning directly to verm is called the rez effect and is how people did bulk back in the day. I havr done it myself with grain a few times and it works well. If verm wasn't so expensive it would be a fine alternative.
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22465841 - 11/02/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you for inspecting my case, feels good being a member here. I will wait and post the results later.
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: Psytanium]
#22521187 - 11/14/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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This was mycelium now the case is fruiting.
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: Psytanium]
#22521193 - 11/14/15 06:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psytanium said: the case
Substrate, it's a substrate......
Please do not refer to spawning a bulk substrate as a casing. Coir/verm is bulk substrate material.
They used to refer to a bulk substrate as a casing, but now it just adds confusion. Its called a spawning to a bulk substrate, not casing.
A casing layer is a non nutritious top layer usually applied to a fully colonized bulk substrate for moisture retention and pinning. When you do this it is called casing, see where it can get confusing?
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RogerRabbit said: One more thing:
You guys seriously need to stop referring to your substrate trays as 'casings'. That is an incorrect term unless all you have is a casing layer and no manure, grains, or anything. Nobody grows mushrooms on 'casings', period.
The casing layer is only the top layer on a colonized bulk substrate, nothing else. 'Casing' sure as hell isn't a name for a mushroom growing project. RR
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: Psytanium]
#22521196 - 11/14/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psytanium said:

Looks like they need WAY more constant fresh air, and proper lighting.
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22521229 - 11/14/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
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DrCrumbs said: It can take a few weeks before you get pins.
This. Give it some time, it looks alright. FYI spawning directly to verm is called the rez effect and is how people did bulk back in the day. I havr done it myself with grain a few times and it works well. If verm wasn't so expensive it would be a fine alternative.

@PF, I think he's refering to the container as a case, not the substrate.
Layered spawning into straight vermiculite, especially if your conditions aren't that good and your spawn isn't totally clean might just be really slow. I don't know. Good luck. Glad it's fruiting.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: PussyFart]
#22521259 - 11/14/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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PussyFart said:
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Psytanium said:

Looks like they need WAY more constant fresh air, and proper lighting.
PF what would be proper lighting in this "case"? :p
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6500K Daylight direct/intense lighting on a 12/12 schedule.
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: PussyFart]
#22521296 - 11/14/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh.. I was kinda under the assumption you didnt need lights for a grow. Like I was wanting to do Franks 12 step http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837#19792837 where would I find thes lights/what names/brands might they be called? Thank you!
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Walmart. Dollar Store.
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Can you guys gimme a little walk through on this? Sorry guys. I grew brf cakes in a SGFC and didnt have light and still gotta new yield (like 5 yrs ago), I was just thinkin that the tubs were the same (meaning I didnt need lights). Thanks for all your help guys, I truly appreciate it
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RipvanBongBowl420 said: Can you guys gimme a little walk through on this?
1. Go to store 2. Buy a 6,500k Daylight bulb. 3. Hang bulb over tub on 12/12 timer. 4. ??? 5. Shrooms!!
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RipvanBongBowl420 said: Can you guys gimme a little walk through on this? Sorry guys. I grew brf cakes in a SGFC and didnt have light and still gotta new yield (like 5 yrs ago), I was just thinkin that the tubs were the same (meaning I didnt need lights). Thanks for all your help guys, I truly appreciate it
Oh you can mos def get yield with next to no light. A lot of my stuff has been done with a 4500K or simply no fucks given. I'll switch to 6500K sometime. Maybe the yield improves??? but pinsets are totally fine without it.
I'll do some testing eventually.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Yields improve, caps enlarge, the mushrooms grow towards the light. Testing has been done quite a bit. They grow just not as well as they do with light.
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wowimflabbergasted said: Yields improve, caps enlarge, the mushrooms grow towards the light. Testing has been done quite a bit. They grow just not as well as they do with light.
So its a pretty dramatic difference? Either way, Ill get the bulb(s). How many should I have for Franks 12 step? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837#19792837
Would one work or should I just plan on 2? The reason I'm so curious is because I also have to buy fixtures for the lights. Thanks
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1 bulb works fine. If light didn't matter then no one would be wasting $$ using a light.
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I don't use lights lol I get direct sunlight for a couple hours every day. I position my tubs so that as the sun sets it'll smack them with direct sunlight through the window. Sunlight is the best light ever! Also with a couple hours of direct sunlight every day they just grow straight up. No leaning fruits
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: Mad Season]
#22526253 - 11/15/15 04:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thats what i should do, i added a light on top of the fruiting chamber. Because caps are small and shrooms growing in random directions. I will post other photos later to see if adding light change something.
Concering the terminology, the bottom and top layers are only vermiculite, what do we call it ? Bulk substrate ?
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: Psytanium]
#22526310 - 11/15/15 05:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was gonna use this tote my mother in law gave me yesterday. The only problem is after all this light discussion, I'm lookin at the tote and the top isnt clear... I'm gonna do a SGFC in my room I keep all the houseplants in. It gets constant light almost all day and I have a 4' fluorescent with "plant bulbs" from Walmart. Will this tote still work or should I go get a another one with a clear lid?
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This is the current situation, i will add new photos maybe next week to show the difference, because now i added a led light on top of the fruiting chamber.
I appreciate ur advices on anything 

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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: Psytanium]
#22526353 - 11/15/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psytanium said: This is the current situation, i will add new photos maybe next week to show the difference, because now i added a led light on top of the fruiting chamber.
I appreciate ur advices on anything 


HOws the jar thing work?
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This fruiting chamber contain the following :
Casing, already started to fruit. 3 cakes newly entered the box Big jar filled with water with a fish tank heater, covered on top to avoid over humidity Plastic bottle also filled with water with a fish tank heater, opened on top to increase humidity
If you know other ideas for heating, using the fish tank heaters, please let me know or link me to some docs. Because my setup takes too much space and its not efficient, i only have 20 - 22 degree C.
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: Psytanium]
#22526636 - 11/15/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I fruit everything in 20-22 C. You don't need a heater.
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Re: Good fruiting environment but no pins yet [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22536232 - 11/17/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I fruit everything in 20-22 C. You don't need a heater.
Thanks for the confirmation.
Btw adding light definitely changed direction of all shrooms, even the already gone wrong, after 24h they all followed the source. Led light 18h per day. Although there is a small possiblity they were going to line up with or without light.
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