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Need advice tapering off Xanax
    #22464399 - 11/01/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So I recently acquired a large supply of Alprazolam, which in hind site was probably a bad idea knowing my previous use of Benzodiazepines, but the price was right and I couldn't resist. I have self control when it comes to every other drug I've used but there is something about Benzos that just completely make me loose my common sense. Long story short I have been dosing anywhere between .5mg up to 4-5mg a day for about a month and I know this is leading nowhere good. Today I got my first taste of withdraw and it was uncomfortable to say the least. I don't plan on giving up Benzos entirely, as they do wonders for my anxiety disorder and provide a nice mellow come down after a good trip. That being said habitually using them at such variable doses is foolish and I'm totally aware of this. I need some help coming up with a plan on tapering down, I just really don't know where to start because my dosages varied greatly every day. I want to take a complete break from them for a while after I taper and learn to respect the compound for what it is. The withdraw symptoms occurred after about 12 hours from my last dose which was 2mg. I came home and cracked and I've ingested about 4mg (which a month ago would have knocked me the fuck out) Instead I feel relief from my symptoms but very little recreational effect. I could really use some advice as far as how to go about doing this. My plan as of now is to hold off as long as I can till I feel the withdraw symptoms and take a low dose to hold them off and keep repeating the cycle till I am down to a very low dose and can go on a tolerance break. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, I still have a rather large supply and am not worried about running out but I need to cut this bad habit before it gets worse. Any advice would be greatly appreciated :peace:


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: gardenstate] * 1
    #22468472 - 11/02/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You need to plan a careful taper. Start with 2mg per day for 4-5 days, then 1.75mg for 4-5 days, then 1.5mg for 4-5 days, etc.

Use fasoracetam to upregulate the GABA-b receptors.

Use Bacopa to improve the functionality of your GABA receptors.

Use L-Theanine to block glutamate transmission and upregulate gaba receptors.

Also, try to stay as physically active as possible during the process. You may feel lethargic, but laying around will only increase the feeling of anxiety. At least go for a walk.

Good luck. If you are having trouble controlling compulsive use of GABAergic drugs, you might need to stay away from them entirely.


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: morrowasted]
    #22468575 - 11/02/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

if it helps you get a script and take as directed.


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22469252 - 11/03/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I would advise against that. Xanax loses its therapeutic efficacy after about 8 weeks and long term use can lead to permanent downregulation of GABA receptors. Consider something like Neurontin, but see if just taking 200-1000mg of Theanine throughout the day with a bit of coffee helps you first.


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #22470181 - 11/03/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Don't have much practical advice for tapering off Xanax, as I think marrowasted covered that, but as far as dealing with the ensuing anxiety, I would recommend a whole crap ton of self-care. Everyone's anxiety is different, but I've found one of the most effective ways to control/deal with it is to keep yourself as calm as humanly possible. It's obviously much easier said than done, but I like to take at least 3-4 five minute "self-care" breaks during my day to just sit and listen to relaxing music, drink chamomile tea, meditate, do a little stretching, perhaps try some deep breathing, smoke a bowl if that doesn't give you anxiety. Obviously this is not a cure-all, but as someone with very severe anxiety (10 panic attacks a day on really bad days) for whom Xanax doesn't even WORK half the time, I do have a lot of little strategies to help deal with it. PM me if you need any support in that realm. Rooting for you bud!


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: rippleinstillwater]
    #22470993 - 11/03/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hey thanks for the support everyone! I think you all brought some really good points to the table, Last night I tried Ketamine for the first time and it was fantastic :eek: but of course I needed the Xanax on the come down (probably around 2.5 - 3mg) to help me get some sleep, since then I took about .25 this morning around 9 and while I don't feel great and I would love to drop 2 right now I am going to try to wait it out till class later tonight and take another .25 I would seriously love some weed right now and honestly I think if I had some I could completely destroy the withdraw. I love smoking and it always calms me down I forgot to mention that I have been smoking almost every day for about 2 years and haven't had any the passed week which is probably why I have been relying on xanax so much. I really shouldn't spend the money right now but I think I'm going to try to grab a few grams tonight. My life is pretty busy but I'll try to keep everyone updated, thanks for the love and support! This really is a great community here!

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Thank you for your suggestions I'm going to look into those chemicals

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These are all fantastic suggestions as well, in fact I am going to brew myself a nice cup of kava tea and just chill out for a bit as I have been running around all day


I might also add I've been using kratom here and there along with the Xanax, I don't feel physically or physiologically dependent on it but I don't want to add another addiction. I don't believe there is any cross tolerance/dependence with kratom and benzos (please correct me if I'm wrong) but it does seem to help my withdraw symptoms. Do you think it's a good idea to take some here and there when times are getting tough?


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: gardenstate]
    #22471227 - 11/03/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

if kratom helps you taper off the alprazolam DO IT! i would almost consult someone about this because 4mgs a day is a pretty serious habit and could result in seziures if you taper off too quickly. not the worst i've seen but definitely do a good amount of research. remember that substituting one substances for another is never the best answer but if the latter is much less harmful :shrug:


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22471431 - 11/03/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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if kratom helps you taper off the alprazolam DO IT! i would almost consult someone about this because 4mgs a day is a pretty serious habit and could result in seziures if you taper off too quickly. not the worst i've seen but definitely do a good amount of research. remember that substituting one substances for another is never the best answer but if the latter is much less harmful :shrug:




Well holy shit I ate 5 grams of kratom and I feel amazing I'm not even thinking about xanax I'm off to class I'm going to bring some xan with me if I need it but fuck I love kratom!
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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: gardenstate] * 2
    #22471462 - 11/03/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like you need a break from substances. You seem to becoming too dependent on them to function


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22471930 - 11/03/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah man you could just go down to 1mg a day and use valerian root and other shit to sleep. You won't feel good and that's why it's one of the most warned drugs on here about getting addicted to.

Almost every person I've known to try xanax says that they need this prescribed to them. It's a joke. People fool themselves into believing they need xanax or benzos long term. If you have had some crazy experience then maybe but half the time these are prescribed for short random panic attacks like flying on a plane or for real panic disorders. Simply being stressed out isn't a self diagnosis.


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22472663 - 11/03/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Sounds like you need a break from substances. You seem to becoming too dependent on them to function



This.

I wouldn't use Kratom as a withdrawal crutch. Despite the anecdotal denials of some users here, it is quite possible to develop an addiction it. You don't need to feel "amazing". That is your problem, you're always trying to feel "amazing". The truth is that most people don't feel amazing most of the time, and if you continue to use xanax or kratom or any drug for an extended period of time, you won't feel amazing either, even when you take it- and then you'll just be physically dependent on a drug not to feel AWFUL.

Take the suggestions I posted in my first reply. As you taper, try to reduce the amount of all of them that you take.


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: gardenstate]
    #22472765 - 11/03/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, as the others have said, don't try to quit cold-turkey. That could become serious.


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: Le_Canard]
    #22474876 - 11/04/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

yikes! I suppose I deserve a scolding, that being said I had .25mg last night in the middle of class and none today. I'm by no means trying to justify daily benzo use, what I was doing was irresponsible and stupid. That being said I feel fine today so far, I'm going to try to wait till tonight and maybe take another .25 before bed.


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: gardenstate]
    #22477202 - 11/04/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So I made it through the day without any doses, I still feel fine, should I take a precautionary micro dose or just stay the fuck away from it?


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: gardenstate]
    #22478133 - 11/04/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The benzos are still in your system, that is why you don't feel bad yet. If you've really been taking 4-5mg a day every day for a month, you should definitely start to feel withdrawal effects within 48-72 hours after your last dose. People have been known to have seizures even though they don't really feel bad. I would take at least 1mg for a few days, then .5mg for a few days, then .25mg for a few days. Seriously look into at least getting some Theanine, though. You can buy it at a grocery store.


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: morrowasted]
    #22499395 - 11/09/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The benzos are still in your system, that is why you don't feel bad yet. If you've really been taking 4-5mg a day every day for a month, you should definitely start to feel withdrawal effects within 48-72 hours after your last dose. People have been known to have seizures even though they don't really feel bad. I would take at least 1mg for a few days, then .5mg for a few days, then .25mg for a few days. Seriously look into at least getting some Theanine, though. You can buy it at a grocery store.




I think some people have gotten the wrong idea about my previous dosage,  there were certain days when I would take 4-5mg but other days I would only take 1 or even .5 the withdraw wasn't really that bad I just needed some support and posting here made me commit to stopping before my habit got worse, I haven't touched them for 3 days, while I had trouble sleeping the first 2 nights I feel fine today. I'm going to leave the rest of my stash for when I'm having a hard time coming down on psychedelics.


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: gardenstate]
    #22499798 - 11/09/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

good job man!! benzo withdrawl is a bitch and can kill you pretty easily if youve been taking enough for a long time


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Re: Need advice tapering off Xanax [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22499817 - 11/09/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I would always taper with Valium because of the long half-life (As opposed to the very short half-life of Alprazolam).  Then slowly just stop taking the Valium.


It allows you to decrease your dose gradually and prevents any type of seizures because it stays in your body for so long.

I have experienced next to no withdrawal symptom from doing this.

And that's from a daily 6-8mg clonazepam habit.


Some people may disagree with tapering with another benzo.  But It has always worked for me and also many other people.


Best of luck to you.


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