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Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest?
    #22462971 - 11/01/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So I'm on probation and can't smoke weed or anything else for that matter, so wanted to get into/back into ethnobotanicals.  But not the psychedelic kind that I'm more familiar with, more of the relaxing, sedative, daily enjoyable kind.

I've done and tried every drug for the most part, especially psychedelics, so familiar and comfortable with any type of effects.  But as I mentioned not looking for those kind of ethno's right now.

It's been some time since I've looked into any of them and hoping for some suggestions.

I'd like something I don't have to smoke preferably, for health reasons.  I'd prefer to eat it as long as it doesn't taste like shit lol

I've read kava is a good thing to try?  But what kind of of effects will I notice?

Also suggested Valerian root, but I don't think it's that strong really is it?  I'm not looking for a sleeping aid, but a feel good, relaxed and enjoyable buzz.

Kratom would be cool, but you just have to ingest so much of it, it kind of turns me off of trying it.

I'd like something I can do on a daily or semi daily basis with out any bad side effects, addictions, withdrawls etc. 

Also, what place is good these days?  I used to go to BBB, but remember they got raided... but apparently they're still in business?  Are they safe to use?  Any suggestions on other legit, high quality ethnobotanical suppliers?  (I think it's ok to ask for legal ethnobotanical suppliers on here right?)


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: agoutihead]
    #22462984 - 11/01/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Kava is very pleasant, and cheap if you can find a dealer for bulk botanical products. Most local herb dealers carry it.

Kratom is addictive and has even killed people at this point, which I see as proof that it is definitely an opiate replacement!


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: Bozko]
    #22463022 - 11/01/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Good to hear about Kava, I'm def going to give it a try.

What about blue lotus?  Is it similar to kava, or is it more of a psychedelic?

As much as I love psychedelics, I want something I can enjoy daily without totally altering my consciousness lol

Does Kratom show up as an opiate on a state drug test?


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"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: agoutihead]
    #22463070 - 11/01/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I have no idea if kratom shows on state drug tests. Although mitragynine and 7-ho-mitragynine are opiate receptor agonist, they are indoles whereas opiates are quinolines, specifically benzylisoquinolines. Perhaps the test would miss it due to this.


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: Bozko]
    #22463172 - 11/01/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm.  Not sure I'd play with the Kratom fire until I know for sure it won't test positive for it.  I like to pop a pill here or there, but opiates generally aren't my thing anyways.

I'd like to try getting one of these super concentrated pastes/extracts.  Seems BBB & a couple other places are out of stock.

Beyond them I don't know who is a good supplier with high quality product.

Can anyone suggest a place that has the paste in stock?


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: agoutihead]
    #22463527 - 11/01/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well I ordered some of the Kava 55% Full Spectrum paste from kava.com, seems it's some of the best and potent form there is.

I've read about an 84% paste, but can't seem to find it anywhere?

I know I said I didn't want anything I had to smoke, but think I'm going to pick up some Blue Lily/Lotus anyways, should I go with just the flower or an extract of that as well?

Is Blue Lily/Lotus harsh when smoked?


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"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: agoutihead]
    #22463562 - 11/01/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Go with kava man, it is absolutely amazing. One of my top favorite drugs of all time.

I had one of the most intense, life changing/spiritual/religious experiences on kava last night. It is a gift from the divine mother.

Another herb I recommend is the herb of immortaility, aminita muscaria. Low doses can be taken every day for relaxation and pain relief. Higher doses produce amazing spiritual experiences.

I have also heard good things about Mulungu but I haven't tried it myself.

Another decent herb I have tried is betel nut and its cheap too. It is mild stimulant but more euphoric than caffeine.

Another herb you can take for relaxation is passionflower.


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: agoutihead]
    #22463593 - 11/01/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Well I ordered some of the Kava 55% Full Spectrum paste from kava.com, seems it's some of the best and potent form there is.

I've read about an 84% paste, but can't seem to find it anywhere?

I know I said I didn't want anything I had to smoke, but think I'm going to pick up some Blue Lily/Lotus anyways, should I go with just the flower or an extract of that as well?

Is Blue Lily/Lotus harsh when smoked?




I wouldn't recommend the paste, I mean it's probably ok and will give you a feel for kava but make sure you at least try the traditional method. My best experiences have all been with the traditional method.

Also, some things you should know about kava especially if you are gunning for a life changing religious experience:

- Kava is an herb and therefore requires experimentation. Just because you have a disappointing first experience or even first 10 experiences doesn't mean you've experienced all it has too offer.

- There is such a thing as reverse tolerance. The more you get used to kava, the more the effects will change. People often feel nothing their first time. This happened to me. THen after that, I found it overly sedating. Then finally, I got the good effects and they were amazing.


- Kava is a gift from the divine mother. It has a feminine spirit.

- Kava is the most gentle of all the shamanic plant teachers.

- Try listening to the kava ceremony music of the polynesians while tripping on kava

- One way in which the natives use kava spiritually is by drinking a lot of it and then sitting somewhere and "listening to the kava".

- The natives say that when they drink kava, they can speak with the spirits of their ancestors.


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: agoutihead]
    #22463647 - 11/01/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Shit, too late, already ordered the paste lol.  I think I'll be fine/happy with it though.  At least I hope.

How long do the effects of kava last?  Specifically the paste if you happen to know? 

I know about passion flower, but its usually pretty weak.  I'll see if I can find a strong extract that might be enjoyable.

I've heard about aminita muscaria, haven't ever tried it.  I would consider it, but not looking for anything that will produce a heavy psychedelic affect right now.  Just something to enjoy daily since I can't smoke weed for quite some time.

I'm gonna pick up some blue lotus, blue lilly & white lotus extract too.  Supposed to be really enjoyable, especially when mixed together.  Shamans garden said alternating the blue & white lotus produces some amazing results/effects over the course of a few days.

I'd imagine going with lotus extracts will give me better results, but be harsher to smoke compared to just the normal flowers?  Shamansgarden has a blue lotus/lilly 50x and a white lotus 25x I was going to get and try separately and then together?


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"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: agoutihead] * 1
    #22463717 - 11/01/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The effects of kava can last anywhere from an hour to 24 hours depending on dose and tolerance. As you learn to drink kava, at first it will get stronger and perhaps even be too strong. I recently took a break from it and when I started again, 2 cups had me essentially couch locked/bedridden for an entire day. After you get used to it though, the buzz is actually rather short lived and youll find yourself having to redose frequently.

The paste should be fine for your first experience, just make sure you try the traditional method at some point if you like it or even if you dont I wouldnt give up on kava until you have tried the traditional method. Many people say extracts dont work but I have had good experiences with them, but not as good as the traditional method.

Amanita muscaria won't produce a heavy psychedelic effect unless you eat a huge dose. Low doses are less psychedelic than marijuana are great enjoyed daily. I am trying to quit smoking marijuana. Some nights I drink kava, other nights I eat small amounts of aminita muscaria and meditate. Both kava and amanita are great for meditation, as well as recreation and pain relief.

Only problem is they both go very well with marijuana.


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: agoutihead]
    #22464022 - 11/01/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

WILD DAGGA, pure flowers

underrated as fuck. mainly b/c the ONLY way to get legit high off of it is to put like a gram or more of it in a volcano vaporizer lol.
alot of people try smoking it, can't stand the harshness of it and give up. (you have to smoke a TON of it to get an effect and it's a terrible, harsh smoke)

but yea, the secret is the volcano....pump it up to highest temp, inhale a grams worth of vapor bags and BOOOM....you will be high.
kinda like the headtrip of weed without the body load.

i should also mention i held my hits for like 25 seconds...just to be sure.


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: resonant111]
    #22464064 - 11/01/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Kava is ok but I can't stand the taste or smell.

If you get sick on it once it is over IMO

Kratom is nasty as hell too but at least I can bare it


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: SnowDaze]
    #22464178 - 11/01/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The problem with kratom is its addictive and not as spiritual as kava imo, also kratom tastes worse than kava i think


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22589888 - 11/29/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Kava was extremely less than impressive.  They tell you to only eat 1/8 teaspoon twice daily.  I ate about 3 large marble sized balls over the course of a couple of hours and don't think I felt a thing. 

Had some weird dreams, but looking for a conscious intoxicant, not a dream enhancer.


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: agoutihead]
    #22590272 - 11/29/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Its funny, I've been looking into kava a lot more. A buddy brought me some newer extracts he found, and that is definitely my new preferred method of ingestion.

Try to find alcoholic extracts with a standardized level of kavalactones. You'll know if you find the good stuff, it will form an emulsion if you mix it with water and become cloudy, sorta like absinthe. Look for it at health food stores. This shit is potent, will hit you quick and put you to sleep if you are at all comfortable. This beats dried root by far.

There are other alcoholic extracts out there which don't form an emulsion, don't have standardized kavalactone content, and don't end up doing anything, even when you exceed the "30 drops" dosage.


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: Bozko]
    #22591565 - 11/29/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I ordered the Kava 55% Full Spectrum paste from kava.com, seems it's some of the best and potent form there is.

Honestly wasn't impressed.  Granted I've done a lot of drugs over my years lol, this one just didn't seem to do it for me.  I still have most of it left and didn't throw it out.  I'm sure I'll eat a few more marble size pieces again soon just to give it another go lol


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: agoutihead]
    #22592915 - 11/30/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've never had great effects from extracts with kava.

Prepared the traditional way is easy and more economical.... and ime much more potent.

You just put around 50gs into a nutmilk bag (buy on amazon) or a nylon stocking. Knead the tied off herb in warm water for 15 minutes. Then pour into jar, and put alittle more water over the herb bag and knead... then combine.
For me the effects get pretty strong after the 2nd cup.

It is grounding, relaxing effects, and if you go overboard it can even get a bit spinny.... Never been overly introspective for me, but it has been enjoyable and I will continue to work and learn from this herb on occasion. Much cleaner feeling than alcohol, more mellowing...


Also, most people don't recommend kratom extract. Just plain leaf powdered for full spectrum effects. It is alright on occasion , warm opening... can be energizing or relaxing.... but wouldn't recommend doing it often. You can checkout reddit quitting kratom section.


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: resonant111]
    #22593132 - 11/30/15 02:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Bozko said:
I have no idea if kratom shows on state drug tests.



It doesnt. I get drug tested (hair) for probation and it doesnt show up. My friend used to get piss tested and it never showed up for him either.


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WILD DAGGA, pure flowers




Damn this makes me wanna smoke a ton of my dagga to find out.. I have wild dagga flower pedals and have smoked it with damiana a few times. I havent had any effect from it though but ive never smoked more than two bowls at a time in a mix between the two. Might go try again with more.


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Re: Looking for some ethnobotanicals to use, what do people suggest? [Re: agoutihead]
    #22593372 - 11/30/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Kava was extremely less than impressive.  They tell you to only eat 1/8 teaspoon twice daily.  I ate about 3 large marble sized balls over the course of a couple of hours and don't think I felt a thing. 

Had some weird dreams, but looking for a conscious intoxicant, not a dream enhancer.




Maybe Kratom?


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    #22593374 - 11/30/15 04:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Bozko said:
Its funny, I've been looking into kava a lot more. A buddy brought me some newer extracts he found, and that is definitely my new preferred method of ingestion.

Try to find alcoholic extracts with a standardized level of kavalactones. You'll know if you find the good stuff, it will form an emulsion if you mix it with water and become cloudy, sorta like absinthe. Look for it at health food stores. This shit is potent, will hit you quick and put you to sleep if you are at all comfortable. This beats dried root by far.

There are other alcoholic extracts out there which don't form an emulsion, don't have standardized kavalactone content, and don't end up doing anything, even when you exceed the "30 drops" dosage.




What is this thing in your sig?


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