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LethalWeapon
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can't get a hold of a good sub
#22462040 - 11/01/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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what else can i use other than hpoo and coir, can't seem to get a hold of any.. i know this seems like a long shot but can i just use brf and verm mix as a substrate to use for trays?
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22462078 - 11/01/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Of course you can do PF cakes with casings!
Ever heard of Crumble-and-case?
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon] 1
#22462081 - 11/01/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you have a pet store near you? They sell bricks of coir.
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DrCrumbs
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sounds more like he wants to go from spawn to brf as the substrate. This most likely be to nutritious and cause lots of problems.
I would just use verm if it was my only option.
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: DrCrumbs] 1
#22462111 - 11/01/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Vermiculite can be a pretty decent casing material. Not the best, but decent.
Also, check any plant nursery for coir. They should sell it.
Or you could order it online and wait a week
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brf needs to be sterilized and sterilized media cant be spawned to in open air, so no.
I wouldn't crumble pf-cakes just to case them with verm, rather just fruit them as cakes then.
go online and you can order a bunch of coir bricks real cheap!
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amazon is your friend, they have like 5 different varieties of coir, I wanna try them all!
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22462165 - 11/01/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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5 varieties?
Like 5 varieties of coconut or something?
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Like 5 different brands
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22462197 - 11/01/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh!
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LethalWeapon
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22462274 - 11/01/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I haven't seen many people use that type. I believe Pasty recommended using the Exo terra "plantation soil" brick.
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22462291 - 11/01/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use this and do Damien5050's coir tek. Place the brick in a bucket, pour a few quarts of verm on it, pour a gallon of boiling water on it, put the lid on, wait an hour, mix, put the lid on, let cool overnight. Easy peasy.
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22462313 - 11/01/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LethalWeapon
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ShroomerInTheRye said: I use this and do Damien5050's coir tek. Place the brick in a bucket, pour a few quarts of verm on it, pour a gallon of boiling water on it, put the lid on, wait an hour, mix, put the lid on, let cool overnight. Easy peasy.
im in canada and we don't use quarts to measure lol so I'm unfamiliar with how much one quart is
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon] 1
#22462399 - 11/01/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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1 Quart = about 1 Liter (0.95 liters to be exact)
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22462486 - 11/01/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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And here's a link to the tek. Really great stuff.
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22462528 - 11/01/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I get my coir from amazon comes in packs of 3 bricks for fairly cheap!
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DrCrumbs
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: Funguy24]
#22462536 - 11/01/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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What are you using as your spawn?
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LethalWeapon
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: DrCrumbs] 1
#22462554 - 11/01/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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DrCrumbs said: What are you using as your spawn?
Just trying grated up brf cakes in a tray of verm and coir for my first time
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22462573 - 11/01/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Organic rye grains in quarts
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22462575 - 11/01/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LethalWeapon said:
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ShroomerInTheRye said: I use this and do Damien5050's coir tek. Place the brick in a bucket, pour a few quarts of verm on it, pour a gallon of boiling water on it, put the lid on, wait an hour, mix, put the lid on, let cool overnight. Easy peasy.
im in canada and we don't use quarts to measure lol so I'm unfamiliar with how much one quart is
You'll use quarts to measure when that's the size jar you're using.
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: Inocuole]
#22462592 - 11/01/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bummer yeah, if you cant get coir I would just fruit as cakes.
You could defently use cakes to make more cakes, but there is a reason that brf cakes are that size/shape.
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LethalWeapon
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: DrCrumbs] 1
#22462780 - 11/01/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I found coir ! Finally... After I prepare the sub does it need to be pasteurized / sterilized?
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22462798 - 11/01/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22462834 - 11/01/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ShroomerInTheRye said: And here's a link to the tek. Really great stuff.
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LethalWeapon
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I just did the bucket tek buck I don't have a lid for my bucket so I just used tinfoil is that still ohk? I couldn't find the lid its lost in my house somwhere
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22462873 - 11/01/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'm sure its OK. you wanna really cook your coir tho, might have lost a lot of temp without the proper lid but i'm sure you at least killed the possibly added trich (if there were any).
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LethalWeapon
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: spacechildo]
#22462878 - 11/01/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: i'm sure its OK. you wanna really cook your coir tho, might have lost a lot of temp without the proper lid but i'm sure you at least killed the possibly added trich (if there were any).
I'll put a heavy plate ontop asap
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22462881 - 11/01/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also in that case I might jar the sub up and do an Extra sterilization steaming
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22462888 - 11/01/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LethalWeapon said: Also in that case I might jar the sub up and do an Extra sterilization steaming
You can do that too, coir works better when cooked really well. I've heard some cultivators say that mycelium colonizes over sterilized coir much better than any other method, so that's definitely something to keep in mind.
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LethalWeapon
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22462905 - 11/01/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ohk thanks, sounds good! Also do I have to use the sub right away or can it be stored for any length of time ?
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22462945 - 11/01/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you plan to PC your coir, they'll be fine in the jars for a few weeks or more, but it will probably dry up a lot. Remember, you want to make sure your substrate is at field capacity when mixing with your spawn, so its probably best to not let it get to that point. But, you could always rehydrate it.
Coir is very contam resistant, and 9/10 any contamination you see during the fruiting stage is likely attributed to dirty spawn jars, so make sure you have good sterile techniques in the SAB
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22462961 - 11/01/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said: If you plan to PC your coir, they'll be fine in the jars for a few weeks or more, but it will probably dry up a lot. Remember, you want to make sure your substrate is at field capacity when mixing with your spawn, so its probably best to not let it get to that point. But, you could always rehydrate it.
Coir is very contam resistant, and 9/10 any contamination you see during the fruiting stage is likely attributed to dirty spawn jars, so make sure you have good sterile techniques in the SAB 
All my spawn is 100% colonized and ready to fruit, so as long as coir is a pretty contam resistant I should be good! Everytime I've noc'd up jars I've had 100% success rate
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon] 1
#22462978 - 11/01/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LethalWeapon said:
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Psilosoulful said: If you plan to PC your coir, they'll be fine in the jars for a few weeks or more, but it will probably dry up a lot. Remember, you want to make sure your substrate is at field capacity when mixing with your spawn, so its probably best to not let it get to that point. But, you could always rehydrate it.
Coir is very contam resistant, and 9/10 any contamination you see during the fruiting stage is likely attributed to dirty spawn jars, so make sure you have good sterile techniques in the SAB 
All my spawn is 100% colonized and ready to fruit, so as long as coir is a pretty contam resistant I should be good! Everytime I've noc'd up jars I've had 100% success rate
Awesome! Hopefully your yields are good
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon] 1
#22463071 - 11/01/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ive read that coir is excellent at preventing infections.
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LethalWeapon
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Quote:
Psilosoulful said:
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LethalWeapon said:
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Psilosoulful said: If you plan to PC your coir, they'll be fine in the jars for a few weeks or more, but it will probably dry up a lot. Remember, you want to make sure your substrate is at field capacity when mixing with your spawn, so its probably best to not let it get to that point. But, you could always rehydrate it.
Coir is very contam resistant, and 9/10 any contamination you see during the fruiting stage is likely attributed to dirty spawn jars, so make sure you have good sterile techniques in the SAB 
All my spawn is 100% colonized and ready to fruit, so as long as coir is a pretty contam resistant I should be good! Everytime I've noc'd up jars I've had 100% success rate
Awesome! Hopefully your yields are good 
thanks a lot man ! i hope so too !
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LogicaL Chaos said: Ive read that coir is excellent at preventing infections.
thats great to hear, i don't want any nasty shit only the goodies
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22463191 - 11/01/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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personally i would properly pasteurize the substrate in jars/bags at 140-160 degrees, i know its common knowledge but watch the 'let's grow mushrooms' videos.
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: Funguy24]
#22463865 - 11/01/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Funguy24 said: personally i would properly pasteurize the substrate in jars/bags at 140-160 degrees, i know its common knowledge but watch the 'let's grow mushrooms' videos.
I agree, only if we're talking about a manure based substrate. But with coir, you can prep it any way you like, it's very contam resistant. Pasteurizing coir doesn't seem to allow the mycelium to digest the substrate fully IME, it's best to give it the heat treatment, via bucket tek or PC'd.
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22464220 - 11/01/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its because boiling/PCing helps soften up the coir right?
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#22464249 - 11/01/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Its because boiling/PCing helps soften up the coir right?
Yep, it breaks down the cell walls within the coir, making it easier for the mycelium to colonize it thoroughly, which leads to stronger pinsets, once FAE is introduced.
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LethalWeapon
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22464269 - 11/01/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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put my spawn in the tray with the sub and its now in closet waiting to colonize how long does it take and how often should i check it?
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22464285 - 11/01/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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7-10 days on average. Check on it after a week and decide if you want to case or not.
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22464293 - 11/01/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just did a tub and a tray about 2 or 3 days ago, and I'm waiting for about 10 days. I'm treating it like a surprise. On November 7th or 8th, I will open the tub and see if I grew a tub of myc or a tub of trich.
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If you started with clean spawn, you should have nothing to worry about
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: Psilosoulful] 1
#22464357 - 11/01/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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really excited to see the results of this.. hope everything goes as planned.. also hope your tub turns out good shroomer !
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Re: can't get a hold of a good sub [Re: LethalWeapon]
#22464423 - 11/01/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks LethalWeapon! I'm sure your trays will turn out fantastic. Keep us posted!
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