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    #22461525 - 11/01/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Cosmos is on TV right now.. looking at rogue planets with infrared, neighbor galaxy andromeda, part of the Virgo supercluster, very small part of the whole universe..

very nice show.

:1up:

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:earth: :sun:

:jah:

:earth:

:1up: :earth: :sun: :heart: :peace:





“I spread confident wings to space and soared towards the infinite. Leaving far behind me what others strained to see from a distance. Here there was no up. No down. No edge. No centre. I saw that the sun was just another star, and the stars other suns - each escorted by other Earths like our own. The revelation of this immensity was like falling in love."
Giordano Bruno//via Cosmos: A Space Time Odyssey.





I have come to present a new vision of the Cosmos! - Bruno. .. :smile:

'Bruno became an evangelist, spreading the gospel of infinity throughout Europe.' - Neil deGrasse Tyson


The stars are other fiery suns(!), made of the same substance as the Earth, and they have their own watery earths, with plants and animals no less noble than our own(!)


-Bruno

what a great show. :sun:  it only gets better.


My love and reverence for the Creator inspires in me the vision of an infinite Creation.
-Bruno, etc.


love and peace,
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Re: Cosmos [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22461736 - 11/01/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I agree the scientific aspects only reinforce what beautiful infinite place we live in and how dangerous it is as well. I always wondered why we fight among ourselves as we jet across the galaxy in space where tons of bad stuff can happen to the earth shouldn't we unite and try to secure humanity so we all dont get wiped out by a astroid or supernova sun or blackhole.:cool:


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Re: Cosmos [Re: fatal222316]
    #22462150 - 11/01/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

yeah i was just thinking the same thing :sun: i've been considering it from a broad view.. it seems that interconnectedness from internet and the rest - at first present some challenges; but then its potential for helping to create peace shine through over time.. just a personal view. :smile:

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Re: Cosmos [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22462732 - 11/01/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

We should start a group that is nonprofit to save humanity from outer space disaster, haha  or our own nation of people who don't want to fight and just work to reach the common goal of saving humanity.


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Re: Cosmos [Re: fatal222316]
    #22462824 - 11/01/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

you're it - and the next generation, and the next - each one building on the knowledge and understanding of the previous..  i sometimes mention, 'children trust your parents, their wisdom goes back many generations.. parents, trust your children; theirs goes back even further.'

or things like this to help get people to realize everyone is so valuable.. each being plays such an important role -- as for children - they can learn 6 languages in a span of 2 years... simultaneously, without any extra effort or strain!.. what would be the term for an adult who could do this.. would anything less than 'super-genius' apply?  so, there's so much we can learn.. from everyone. :smile:

there are definitely peace efforts... all the time - we should always encourage them i'd say, as peace is the most beautiful.. once we get there - then we can explore everything interesting in the world - cosmologically, beauty, art, wisdom, imaginative worlds.. explore the galaxy.. it all begins with peace - so, a very worthwhile effort. :smile:

and it's certainly possible - largely has to do with how we - collectively believe it to be ( possible, close, boundless, etc... )

i just love this show.. so much beauty in so much that he shares.. i'll have to come back to it years later and see more... :smile:  as we awaken and learn more about higher states of consciousness.. then so much more information can be gleaned from everything in life - and, truly, i'd say, it's boundless... each new day - so much new wonder!

loved these..

'Our ancestors worshiped the sun and they were far from foolish.
It makes good sense to revere the sun and the stars.
Because we are their children.'

and then

'We on Earth marvel, and rightly so at the daily return of our single sun.
But from a planet orbiting a star in a distant globular cluster a still more glorious dawn awaits.
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy-rise.
A morning filled with the rising of the Milky Way.'




and it's very awesome to me that the scripts are all online for free!

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Re: Cosmos [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22462906 - 11/01/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I agree there is a lot of peace and love out there, but all you have to do is turn on the evening news too see the other side of it, thats why I don't watch it anymore.  They say mankind builds tributes to the things they worship statues buildings etc.. in my town there is a giant football stadium surrounded by literal shacks that people live around it. Not to be a bummer but it seems there is more of this than the positive I try not to dwell on it but it is there, that humanity does not care of the suffering of the masses--- you do know what happened to bruno as well.


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Re: Cosmos [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22462953 - 11/01/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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    #22463151 - 11/01/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

'no matter how cold it gets,
it is still by the fire one sits,
when one stays to get warm.'

sister/ brother we create the universe -- there are many fabricated realities -- search through them all to get to the truth..


you are very wise not to watch the news -- international news -- know what's going on --



direct contact is probably a better way to understand the world than news stations -- as mentioned


the worst 1% of events -- why focus on them?  ... like - that gives a generally distorted view of what is real.

consider -- 99% of the homes are healthy, happy, things are going good -- and if the news shares the 1% of the worst --

and you watch it for an hour --



or even some people watch it for an hour every night. .. doesn't that change the view?  is that true?



that's what i mean - there are tons of fabricated realities. . ..



Life is a dream within a dream pretty much.... There are many different ways to look at the universe --


I wouldn't really say that any of them are false -- they are all partly true and partly false....


or if you take from the principia discordia - just a nice text. 


'All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense.'



A friend of mine likes it.  I enjoy that passage.



I do wonder at your shift though :sun:  hah. anyway -- if life is rough -- all the more reason to be kind --

to work together -- to work for peace... etc. etc.


we ship weapons overseas, right?  yepper. . . We send billions of dollars worth everywhere -- for what reason?

this ain't good! :sun: so-



Active and passive resistance to war in all its forms is absolutely necessary and essential.


Saying things are going downhill -- or saying the U.S. is gonna die. . . hm...



Only defeatists say those kinda things :wink: --=----------- the point is



we gotta work together -- that begins with each of us. 



As it is gonna be an el nino year with crazy ass weather -- it's just another point & reason why this is so.


everything in life basically tells us work together and what not... so these are some things --



Over the last few hundred years........... this is what i meant when i said - it presents challenges at first...

you know? 



and yet - later, the potential for good -- shines through.



I hope you do. :sun:  ... it's like -- there's dozens or hundreds of reasons...







one is - we remember painful events more... than non-painful ones... and so many others...



The point is -- you are it, my friend - have self-faith... you'll know.


:sun:

light

peace


love and peace... see you next year.


peace and light.



Some Carl Sagan quotes ( astronomer, scientists, and Tyson's mentor )



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about cannabis:


the illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world.



well, a lot more too :sun: :heart: light, peace, beauty and bliss.


I had become friendly with a group of people who occasionally smoked cannabis, irregularly, but with evident pleasure. Initially I was unwilling to partake, but the apparent euphoria that cannabis produced and the fact that there was no physiological addiction to the plant eventually persuaded me to try. My initial experiences were entirely disappointing; there was no effect at all, and I began to entertain a variety of hypotheses about cannabis being a placebo which worked by expectation and hyperventilation rather than by chemistry. After about five or six unsuccessful attempts, however, it happened.

There's a part of me making, creating the perceptions which in everyday life would be bizarre; there's another part of me which is a kind of observer. About half of the pleasure comes from the observer-part appreciating the work of the creator-part. I smile, or sometimes even laugh out loud at the pictures on the insides of my eyelids. In this sense, I suppose cannabis is psychotomimetic, but I find none of the panic or terror that accompanies some psychoses. Possibly this is because I know it's my own trip, and that I can come down rapidly any time I want to.

The cannabis experience has greatly improved my appreciation for art, a subject which I had never much appreciated before. The understanding of the intent of the artist which I can achieve when high sometimes carries over to when I'm down. This is one of many human frontiers which cannabis has helped me traverse. There also have been some art-related insights — I don't know whether they are true or false, but they were fun to formulate.

Cannabis also enhances the enjoyment of sex — on the one hand it gives an exquisite sensitivity, but on the other hand it postpones orgasm: in part by distracting me with the profusion of image passing before my eyes. The actual duration of orgasm seems to lengthen greatly, but this may be the usual experience of time expansion which comes with cannabis smoking.

I do not consider myself a religious person in the usual sense, but there is a religious aspect to some highs. The heightened sensitivity in all areas gives me a feeling of communion with my surroundings, both animate and inanimate. Sometimes a kind of existential perception of the absurd comes over me and I see with awful certainty the hypocrisies and posturing of myself and my fellow men. And at other times, there is a different sense of the absurd, a playful and whimsical awareness. Both of these senses of the absurd can be communicated, and some of the most rewarding highs I've had have been in sharing talk and perceptions and humor. Cannabis brings us an awareness that we spend a lifetime being trained to overlook and forget and put out of our minds. A sense of what the world is really like can be maddening; cannabis has brought me some feelings for what it is like to be crazy, and how we use that word "crazy" to avoid thinking about things that are too painful for us. In the Soviet Union political dissidents are routinely placed in insane asylums. The same kind of thing, a little more subtle perhaps, occurs here: "did you hear what Lenny Bruce said yesterday? He must be crazy."

When I'm high I can penetrate into the past, recall childhood memories, friends, relatives, playthings, streets, smells, sounds, and tastes from a vanished era. I can reconstruct the actual occurrences in childhood events only half understood at the time. Many but not all my cannabis trips have somewhere in them a symbolism significant to me which I won't attempt to describe here, a kind of mandala embossed on the high. Free-associating to this mandala, both visually and as plays on words, has produced a very rich array of insights.

There is a myth about such highs: the user has an illusion of great insight, but it does not survive scrutiny in the morning. I am convinced that this is an error, and that the devastating insights achieved when high are real insights; the main problem is putting these insights in a form acceptable to the quite different self that we are when we're down the next day.

Incidentally, I find that reasonably good insights can be remembered the next day, but only if some effort has been made to set them down another way. If I write the insight down or tell it to someone, then I can remember it with no assistance the following morning; but if I merely say to myself that I must make an effort to remember, I never do.

I find that most of the insights I achieve when high are into social issues, an area of creative scholarship very different from the one I am generally known for.

I can remember the night that I suddenly realized what it was like to be crazy, or nights when my feelings and perceptions were of a religious nature. I had a very accurate sense that these feelings and perceptions, written down casually, would not stand the usual critical scrutiny that is my stock in trade as a scientist. If I find in the morning a message from myself the night before informing me that there is a world around us which we barely sense, or that we can become one with the universe, or even that certain politicians are desperately frightened men, I may tend to disbelieve; but when I'm high I know about this disbelief. And so I have a tape in which I exhort myself to take such remarks seriously. I say "Listen closely, you sonofabitch of the morning! This stuff is real!" I try to show that my mind is working clearly; I recall the name of a high school acquaintance I have not thought of in thirty years; I describe the color, typography, and format of a book in another room and these memories do pass critical scrutiny in the morning. I am convinced that there are genuine and valid levels of perception available with cannabis (and probably with other drugs) which are, through the defects of our society and our educational system, unavailable to us without such drugs. Such a remark applies not only to self-awareness and to intellectual pursuits, but also to perceptions of real people, a vastly enhanced sensitivity to facial expression, intonations, and choice of words which sometimes yields a rapport so close it's as if two people are reading each other's minds.
My high is always reflective, peaceable, intellectually exciting, and sociable, unlike most alcohol highs, and there is never a hangover. Through the years I find that slightly smaller amounts of cannabis suffice to produce the same degree of high, and in one movie theater recently I found I could get high just by inhaling the cannabis smoke which permeated the theater.

There is a very nice self-titering aspect to cannabis. Each puff is a very small dose; the time lag between inhaling a puff and sensing its effect is small; and there is no desire for more after the high is there.

I think the ratio, R, of the time to sense the dose taken to the time required to take an excessive dose is an important quantity. R is very large for LSD (which I've never taken) and reasonably short for cannabis. Small values of R should be one measure of the safety of psychedelic drugs. When cannabis is legalized, I hope to see this ratio as one of the parameters printed on the pack. I hope that time isn't too distant; the illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world.




or would you rather have hard drug alcohol be legal, and mari-j not?


i lost almost my whole family to that -- do not have concern for me, i am very well, safe and at peace-- very happy too :sun: and.. learned tons of the wonderful things about life - but

ya


every day so many die from it -- directly, and indirectly, in the form of car crashes...


just sayin' :sun:


love and peace,
j




btw-- ya with our society, dear friends -- i cannot think of very many more across the board things than this --


hard drug being legal and pressed -- soft drug -- even one which is considered sacred, healing and illuminating -- bringing serenity as Sagan wrote it -- illegal, and condemned.....???????


so ya - bro i know!! :sun: :sun:  :sun: :sun:  :sun: :sun:  :sun: :sun:  :sun: :sun:


believe me i know


the point is -- whether the world is good or bad -- doesn't change what is good -- what is not good.


etc.... which are not universally agreed upon - but several are basically..



war is hell


i wasn't in a war but i have spoken deeply and shared deep connection with lots who were --


so we gotta quit waging war... etc..


and -- peace is beautiful -


so those are like, basically - pretty much eternally true.



So how do we get to peace?  Peace work. :sun:  ... that means -- finding it ourselves -- in our individual lives


and then sharing it with others.



Happiness and peace literally are the way...  Happiness isn't the goal -- it's the way, to quote a wonderful fella...



There's basically an infinite universe -- and, infinite peace possible --


we can only see the infinite universe if we reach peace -- on this world;



and -- to reach peace -- we pretty much have to begin with ourselves -- then share it outward..


and the meme ' it ain't possible ' is only a meme which holds people back.  etc.



So - to go back -- very simply -- to get back to an early point -- understanding between people -- etc...

is what helps create peace, and so forth -- to share some other...




a false meme is -- we shouldn't be happy, when there's so much suffering in the world...



this is basically what i refer to and am talking about when i say -- interconnectedness presents challenges at first ---


too much sorrow -- we lose our brains etc. :sun:



so how to deal with  it?  well -- as you mention, don't watch the news is part of it -- good to get news from direct sources...


You can talk to anyone in the world -- so why not ask someone in that town, in that country - what is going on there?


also, sharing good ideas -- replacing the bad ones with good ones, hehe. ..  -- well like,


my dad would share this :smile:


he and i differ in views on so many things but i can share that at least :sun:


that i agree with him very much on :smile:


love and peace-
j


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    #22466347 - 11/02/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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    #22466376 - 11/02/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i can't, actually watch that from this computer. got a non-java link?


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    #22470782 - 11/03/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

ah, ya i never knew he smoked weed til a few mentioned it. he's smart :sun:
i remember a documentary a few years back...when i was still wondering on the positive / spiritual effects of it - helped me along the way, rather detailed and in depth one.. they described how it turns on certain parts of the brain that need to be turned on -- while lowering stress ones, that are turned on that aren't, like if stress ones are flaring that shouldn't be turned on so high, it soothes them or what not... that really clicked with my understanding of it and helped me - later on i noticed how there are so many thousands of positive effects from it, healing attributes in so many forms and situations - every day they are discovering new ones pretty much so it's worthwhile to get the word out... but that documentary was wonderful -- there are also receptors in the brain that fit with cannibinoids, that never get used throughout a whole lifetime if one never partakes of the sacred herb..

i definitely considered all that when i was reading Sagan's Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors... such a beautiful & brilliant work... and also one can tell, the state of consciousness it's coming from a little bit - beautiful, light-hearted, warm... cannabinoid friendly, lol :sun:

tyson is more than smart.. 4-5 yrs ago when i first heard about him i didn't know anything about him... gradually got acquainted - read a couple of his articles which are wonderful.  beautiful and illumining and very readable... then alter i finally watched cosmos -- this was after awakening quite a bit over the last 2-3 years, and continuing on the last few months... so wonderful how we continue learning and growing further into light, love & spirit... months back i noticed - when one is awakened, one takes in so much more info of the world... watching an ecology show, for instance.. is so beautiful - and... i realized, a lot of those people are freakin' brilliant, too... you see there's so much info that's to be gained... in tone of voice, and everything - like, of beauty, perfect health, wonderful peace - in a word, healthful; beautiful, peaceful... and lightened more or less.. to use a new term i sort of coined, a couple months back.. i like it pretty well :sun:

anyway so i noticed this too about tyson - like i say, takes a while to get to know someone, to feel or sense where they're at -- we can't usually understand something until we've experienced it -- ah, as a side-note, to go back to those ecology people, who are bringing it to us. .. i really feel a lot of them are -- maybe sort of the next gen from mckenna's general sphere of life... just... you know. aware-- i felt that back then, when i first noticed it.... wonderful!! but ya.. to go back to tyson for a moment.. like -- same thing there.. noticed so much.. so very much beauty & wisdom and light, intelligence... from the whole thing.. such an amazing, worthwhile and epic show... am glad i spent a while journeying through the cosmos two days ago :sun: :earth: :sun: really wonderful.

and so - ya, noticed he's not just smart but really brilliant -- and.. most importantly.. aware of the important stuff - maybe he read mckenna and some of these too :smile: or maybe just from sagan and other sources... and holy herb... or just from -- well, who knows?  :sun: one would have to ask him what are his favorite influences... and he'd probably just share some cursory ones perhaps... anyway - very brilliant astrophysicist, and wonderfully accessible, a great science educator... and the human element -- like i say, goes very deep... in his sharing - very deeply felt love and beauty and appreciation for life, the earth, the world & peace, and his mentor and the rest-- very heart-felt his memorial to sagan, etc... and the rest :smile:

also - fantastic to me, that the scripts are online as i mentioned.. not always perfect english there, but it's wonderful that it's free and available, to check back for more info-- or, even to read through if one is not overly into sensory stimulation and just wants to read something cool... this section was very wonderful -


'The dream of becoming a citizen of the cosmos was born here, more than two millennia ago, in the city of Alexandria, named after and conceived by its dead conqueror, Alexander the Great.
The Ptolemys, the Greek kings who inherited the Egyptian portion of Alexander's empire, built this library and its associated research institution.
Rarely, if ever, before or since, has there been a government that was willing to spend so much of its gross national product on the acquisition of knowledge.
And it paid off.
Big time.
Every ship entering Alexandria's harbor was searched-- not for contraband, but for books that might be copied and stored here, in what was then the greatest library on Earth.
Here, Eratosthenes, one of the chief librarians, accurately calculated the size of the Earth and invented geography.
Pythagoras.
Hypatia.
Euclid.
Euclid set forth the precepts of geometry in a textbook that remained in use for 2,300 years.
The Old Testament Bible comes down to us mainly from the Greek translations made here.
The original manuscripts of the masterpieces of Greek comedy and drama, poetry, science, engineering, medicine and history-- the total work product of the awakening of ancient civilization-- were kept here.
Estimates vary on the total number of scrolls.
They range from 500,000 to nearly a million.
And all of it all of this is but a tiny fraction of the information that you have at your fingertips at this very moment.
The collective knowledge of our species, our own electronic Library of Alexandria, may be accessed by anyone who has a device and the interest and the freedom to do so.
This was not true in Alexandria, where knowledge belonged to the elite.'

from unafraid of the dark

http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/episode_scripts.php?tv-show=cosmos-a-spacetime-odyssey-2014


one thing i can say that i like about him is - what his spiritual views are i do not know...  and the way he shares info - brilliant and calm and beautiful & peaceful, naturally, as is anyone who is not only intelligent but also loves nature and learning about how to enter deeply into peacefulness, wisdom and bliss ( which is just a surmising, but i got the feeling of it pretty well from his words ) anyway - the main thing is - he's not like a hard-core atheist or anything... he's not trying to convert people to some specific point of view - he's simply sharing intelligence in the best way possible pretty much. . . i get the clear impression - whether it's a jain, a christian, a zen practitioner, an animist - a pagan, or whatsoever religion one may be a part of, or wisdom tradition or what have you - it doesn't seem, or i can't really imagine it would make a difference hearing him - they're all equally respected as simply - fellow humans, etc... continued on from his mentor very well in this aspect... as, it's a poor student who doesn't surpass his teacher, etc. :sun:

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