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OfflineIfishhigh
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Death
    #22461029 - 11/01/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It's so hard to comprehend death. So when someone dies the brain is dead. There's no more thoughts or emotions. It's like you never existed. It's complete nothingness. It's so weird to imagine that. I don't believe in religion . Death is some crazy unknown shit .


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Re: Death [Re: Ifishhigh]
    #22461038 - 11/01/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

"I don't believe in religion"

That is a laughable phrase in your context.

Spirituality and Religion are 2 distinctly separate things.


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Re: Death [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22461061 - 11/01/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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MajickMuffin said:
Spirituality and Religion are 2 distinctly separate things.




Not really.  Spirituality is just making up your own personal religion that nobody else believes in.


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Re: Death [Re: DieCommie]
    #22461076 - 11/01/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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MajickMuffin said:
Spirituality and Religion are 2 distinctly separate things.




Not really.  Spirituality is just making up your own personal religion that nobody else believes in.



Yea.
And 'Religion' is a set path, it is a set of rules and guidelines.

Within Personal Spirituality there are no 'sets of rules', you learn and experience yourself, and decide what is truth based on your own interconnected experiences and things you've learned.

....I can go on.....:2 distinctly different things


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Re: Death [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22461160 - 11/01/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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MajickMuffin said:
And 'Religion' is a set path, it is a set of rules and guidelines.






Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.  It could go either way.


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MajickMuffin said:
Within Personal Spirituality there are no 'sets of rules'




Sometimes there are, sometimes there are not.  Just like religion...



Thinking you are superior for being spiritual and not religious is like proudly proclaiming you don't watch TV and then watching netflix on your computer.


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Re: Death [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22461190 - 11/01/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Death?
I find it hard to take seriously anymore..that is to say worrying about what happens or doesn't happen at death.
I think logically (albeit abstract) speaking, a simple atheistic heaven of eternal non-existence...doesnt make sense.

Lets show why, if From non-existence we came (prebirth) to exist and eventually return to non-existence (death).
who is to really say that you wont emerge from non-existence to again exist once more, an idea similar to reincarnation.

Even a "nothing" upon death has mystical implications.


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Re: Death [Re: hTx]
    #22461237 - 11/01/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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who is to really say that you wont emerge from non-existence to again exist once more, an idea similar to reincarnation.




That depends on how you define "you".  If "you" is dependent on your memories, which I think it is, then we can make a claim because it has clearly been shown that memories are stored in the brain's configuration.  When the brain's configuration goes, so do you.  And whatever it is that might come back, if it does not contain your memories - it is not you.

My grandpa had alzheimer's.  I watched the essence of who he is, his soul, die before his body died.


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Re: Death [Re: DieCommie]
    #22461270 - 11/01/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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MajickMuffin said:
And 'Religion' is a set path, it is a set of rules and guidelines.






Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.  It could go either way.


Quote:

MajickMuffin said:
Within Personal Spirituality there are no 'sets of rules'




Sometimes there are, sometimes there are not.  Just like religion...



Thinking you are superior for being spiritual and not religious is like proudly proclaiming you don't watch TV and then watching netflix on your computer.



I think it is superior, because I believe in individuality.
But I never said that in this thread until now.
I was simply saying spirituality and religion are different and from how he said it, in his context, he did not know that.


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Re: Death [Re: DieCommie]
    #22461273 - 11/01/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yes the physical body disappears over time and some people also believe the soul disappears but the memories and legacy you leave behind stay. If you were significant enough to stick in someone's memory you probably affected their life in some way whether bad or good. They say you don't truly die until someone thinks of you for the last time.


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Re: Death [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22461276 - 11/01/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Einstein said Energy cannot be destroyed, only converted.

Everything in this world is energy. Everything about us is energy, our consciousness is energy. You can feel and manipulate energy.

Your conscious can never be 'nothing', because energy cannot be destroyed.


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Re: Death [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22461281 - 11/01/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I think it is superior, because I believe in individuality.
But I never said that in this thread until now.




People who claim the false distinction usually do.  That is how I was able to accurately predict it.


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Re: Death [Re: DieCommie]
    #22461285 - 11/01/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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I think it is superior, because I believe in individuality.
But I never said that in this thread until now.




People who claim the false distinction usually do.  That is how I was able to accurately predict it.



So whats your point?


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Re: Death [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #22461292 - 11/01/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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lovelaughlibs said:
Yes the physical body disappears over time and some people also believe the soul disappears but the memories and legacy you leave behind stay. If you were significant enough to stick in someone's memory you probably affected their life in some way whether bad or good. They say you don't truly die until someone thinks of you for the last time.




I like this.  The soul is constantly changing and it lingers in a different way in other's memories.


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Re: Death [Re: DieCommie]
    #22461306 - 11/01/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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lovelaughlibs said:
Yes the physical body disappears over time and some people also believe the soul disappears but the memories and legacy you leave behind stay. If you were significant enough to stick in someone's memory you probably affected their life in some way whether bad or good. They say you don't truly die until someone thinks of you for the last time.



People also say the Soul never leaves this world until all of its loved ones have died and their legacy has ended too.

Because if you died, wouldn't you want to watch all of what you have effected. Maybe.


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Re: Death [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22461308 - 11/01/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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MajickMuffin said:
Einstein said Energy cannot be destroyed, only converted.

Everything in this world is energy. Everything about us is energy, our consciousness is energy. You can feel and manipulate energy.

Your conscious can never be 'nothing', because energy cannot be destroyed.




Why do you think that consciousness is that which has the physical units of kg m / s^2?  You are conflating the mystical notion of energy with they scientific notion of energy.  They are not the same thing.


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Re: Death [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22461314 - 11/01/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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MajickMuffin said:
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DieCommie said:
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I think it is superior, because I believe in individuality.
But I never said that in this thread until now.




People who claim the false distinction usually do.  That is how I was able to accurately predict it.



So whats your point?




Maybe you are not as individual as you think.  :shrug:


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Re: Death [Re: DieCommie]
    #22461334 - 11/01/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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MajickMuffin said:
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DieCommie said:
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I think it is superior, because I believe in individuality.
But I never said that in this thread until now.




People who claim the false distinction usually do.  That is how I was able to accurately predict it.



So whats your point?




Maybe you are not as individual as you think.  :shrug:



I carry beliefs/ways from whatever makes sense to me based on my own experiences.
This means I agree with certain points made in just about every single Religion in existence.
How more individual could it get? Obviously I will agree with certain things with others.
Especially anything in accordance with Universal Law, Truth, the Right Way


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Re: Death [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22461347 - 11/01/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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MajickMuffin said:
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DieCommie said:
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lovelaughlibs said:
Yes the physical body disappears over time and some people also believe the soul disappears but the memories and legacy you leave behind stay. If you were significant enough to stick in someone's memory you probably affected their life in some way whether bad or good. They say you don't truly die until someone thinks of you for the last time.



People also say the Soul never leaves this world until all of its loved ones have died and their legacy has ended too.

Because if you died, wouldn't you want to watch all of what you have effected. Maybe.



Probably. I think the idea of forcing a soul to watch its legacy would be interesting - if you raised nasty children that go on to become convicts it will hurt you and you will possibly regret it. On the other hand someone who raised lovely philanthropic children will be very proud. Either way you're strapped in for the ride.

Depending on whether you believe in reincarnation maybe you take this knowledge to the next life and fix your mistakes.


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Re: Death [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #22461359 - 11/01/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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lovelaughlibs said:
Quote:

MajickMuffin said:
Quote:

DieCommie said:
Quote:

lovelaughlibs said:
Yes the physical body disappears over time and some people also believe the soul disappears but the memories and legacy you leave behind stay. If you were significant enough to stick in someone's memory you probably affected their life in some way whether bad or good. They say you don't truly die until someone thinks of you for the last time.



People also say the Soul never leaves this world until all of its loved ones have died and their legacy has ended too.

Because if you died, wouldn't you want to watch all of what you have effected. Maybe.



Probably. I think the idea of forcing a soul to watch its legacy would be interesting - if you raised nasty children that go on to become convicts it will hurt you and you will possibly regret it. On the other hand someone who raised lovely philanthropic children will be very proud. Either way you're strapped in for the ride.

Depending on whether you believe in reincarnation maybe you take this knowledge to the next life and fix your mistakes.



Every life is a 'blank sheet of paper' for the purpose of learning, overcoming problems, experiencing.

But you can tap in to your 'spirits memories', which basically makes you a God to the regular Joes of the Earth.

Yea I believe in reincarnation, but I believe we come here at our Own Will, when we want, when we are ready, and for specific reasons we wish to improve ourselves on.
It is all about self Evolution.

This is my last incarnation on this damned planet.


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Re: Death [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22461398 - 11/01/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

How do you tap into those memories then? That would be interesting for me, I'd love to experience and see them.

Also why is this your last incarnation?


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