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    #22458856 - 10/31/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

This happened over the summer, back in June I'd say, but I'm just getting around to posting about it.

These were grown outside in a zone 5 climate after I had tossed my bulk substrate. At one point I had set out a couple of beer traps and one chunk of spent sub landed in the bowl of beer and when I went out there one day there were these big bastards coming out of the bowl, honestly bigger than all of the ones that grew in the tub.

I wondered at the time if they could have absorbed anything interesting from the beer, however the bowl was filled with slug and snail corpses so I decided not to keep them.


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: the_r3dz]
    #22458883 - 10/31/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It probably served to protect them.

I did an outdoor grow of just cakes a few years ago; Only to come back and find them covered in slugs a day later.

After setting beer traps and unnecessary copper banner they were safe and fruited so well.


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: DrCrumbs]
    #22461044 - 11/01/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Haha sweet. Slug boneyard surrounding mushies hehehe.

Just wanted to comment that if you leave a beer bottle with just a splash in it for a day or two there will definitely be molds and such growing on the liquid and surrounding bottle - guess it's the grain aspect of the production that, if anything, helped the sub push out a fatty.


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: filthyknees]
    #22461220 - 11/01/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Beer has plenty of good nutrition for fungi. Hence why people use it for agar sometimes.


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22461256 - 11/01/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Shroom beer is better than beer shrooms.
6 dry ounces to a 5 gallon batch of beer. Half of a 22 ounce beer will make you happy.


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: azur]
    #22461265 - 11/01/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Shroom beer is better than beer shrooms.
6 dry ounces to a 5 gallon batch of beer. Half of a 22 ounce beer will make you happy.




I like the sound of that, next on the list. . . Shroom rye

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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22461339 - 11/01/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Oh it's good shit man. If you haven't tried it, you definitely need to.


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: azur]
    #22461393 - 11/01/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I assume you homebrew? I've never ran into a "5 gallon batch of beer". That does sound fantastic though, do you start tripping before you get drunk? Or does it sort of balance? I like to think of liquor as poison so I generally don't like to mix it with such a natural substance but that might change my mind.

Pasty, do you think feeding our mushrooms beer could ever be a potentially good thing? Like, misting with beer instead of water lets say, or a beer dunk instead of a water dunk. I'm sure it would be a good way to introduce a bunch of foreign contams to the sub, but if you did for the third flush or something, right before you were gonna toss the sub?
Probably more expensive than it's worth to bother with, especially here in Canada I couldn't even dream of trying it but maybe somebody that homebrews...?


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: the_r3dz]
    #22461427 - 11/01/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You don't mist with nutes, its a contam vector and pointless, the colony is done eating by the time fruiting occurs. If you made the sub up with extra nutes suspended in the liquid used to hydrate the sub, well that might be helpful, but the fact is that most of the time liquid holds so little nutrition that it really has no point for most applications. Certainly no point to doing it after full colonization.

The main drawback to beer media is the alcohol. When using it as a nute source for agar the alcohol is boiled off.


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22461468 - 11/01/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What if you supplemented the water in the pf tek for ale? The sterilization should push the alcohol fumes through the vermiculite, and after fully evaporating the vermiculite should be dry. If not, just leave the beer our for two or three days until the alcohol evaporates and then use the remaining fluids.


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22461510 - 11/01/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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What if you supplemented the water in the pf tek for ale? The sterilization should push the alcohol fumes through the vermiculite, and after fully evaporating the vermiculite should be dry. If not, just leave the beer our for two or three days until the alcohol evaporates and then use the remaining fluids.




I would say sure except, pf cakes are already borderline too nutrious. The only nutrition they might want added as suppliment is nitrogen. But make things too nutrious and you end up needing longer consolidation.


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: the_r3dz]
    #22461561 - 11/01/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I don't home brew. But when i was in college i worked for a guy that did. And that was his ratio.
I only ever had one of the beers. 22 ounce bottle. I was saving it to share with a girl. But i went to my buddy's house abd he was so depressed. I said fuck that broad and split it with my friend. 10 min later he was the happiest guy ever, as was i.


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: azur]
    #22461610 - 11/01/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Pasty do you think this hobby still has any room for innovation or have we already figured the best ways out? Monotubs and PFtek, hard to really get any simpler or better than those?

Azur I love that, you spread the love but not in the way you expected. Probably the best possible outcome.
Never had interest in homebrewing but suddenly there might be.


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: the_r3dz]
    #22461650 - 11/01/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

There will always be gold in the mountains waiting to be found.
And truth be told, monotubs are just sophisticated nigger riggings


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: the_r3dz]
    #22461669 - 11/01/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Pasty do you think this hobby still has any room for innovation or have we already figured the best ways out? Monotubs and PFtek, hard to really get any simpler or better than those?




There is loads of room to innovate. Tons of things we don't understand well. The thing is that most new people want to innovate first without putting the legwork in. For instance there are plenty of methods to fruit and grow other than monotubs and PF tek. Its just those two are really easy to explain and troubleshoot. Yet there is still work being done to understand them even better.

Right now there are people;

-Working out the temperature and airflow dynamics of monotub systems in the hopes of making a mono that does not need polyfil.

-Crossing spores of different varieties to bring us new ones with interesting traits.

-Working on new invitro colonization methods using really cheap materials

-Reexamining accepted levels of O2 & CO2 during spawn runs to see if it aids in early pin developement via keeping the metabolic rate higher.

-Testing new methods of live culture inoculate using flour and/or meal as the media carrier.

Plus lots of other things. To do these things properly, with control and peer review takes months, even years. Most new people simply do not have the patience to learn the basics (takes years) let alone discover or contribute something truly new.


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22461721 - 11/01/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I love it, just the answer I was looking for, thank you for such a well thought out response. I wish there was some way for all of these cool experiments to be in one easy to find place, I have trouble finding super specific threads like that using the search engine. I've lurked on this site for a while before deciding to be active and have seen quite a few posts on what you are referring to, but it's been a long time since I've checked a lot of them out so I didn't even really know a lot of that was still happening.
The most recent being Eat's cornmeal thing, that seems to be a pretty fascinating discovery which is super cool and got this whole thought train of mine going, all those things you talked about are sort of refinements to an already sustained system, could someone come along someday with a new idea that disrupts everything we think we know?


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: the_r3dz]
    #22461764 - 11/01/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Lots of these things are happening in private so searching won't turn up much. Eats mush experiments were actually inspired by someone else's experiments and that is how we do here. One person comes up with something, its used and refined. Somethings fall by the way side for various reasons but proven methods will always work.

I'm not sure we will see something so staggering it changes the whole hobby, science rarely works like that. But small discoveries and understanding will eventually chip away and mold the hobby slowly. In 35 years things may be very different but, I bet some old farts will still be growing boss monotubs just to show the younguns whats up :oldman:


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22463514 - 11/01/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Following a tek will get you there, then its up to you get lazier/innovative in an efficient way (no wants their parent hanging out all day after they provided).


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22463596 - 11/01/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Right on I totally understand what you mean, that made me smile, I hope to be one of those old fuckers some day, I love the monotub myself, only way I've ever grown but I'm excited to see what sort of changes can come.
Thank you everyone for your interesting replies, this place is rad.


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Re: Beer Shrooms [Re: azur]
    #22465507 - 11/02/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Must this be done after the yeast quit? I.e. will they eat the alkaloids?


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