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    #22457624 - 10/31/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I tried doing everything right and I just can't win. I lined  a pot with 2 layers of jar rings. Added water to just below the top  rings. Added my jars and brang to a boil. When boiling I lowered the heat and started steaming ( verm,brf ) cakes. Pf tek . I kept looking occasionally ant seen it was steaming. Towards the 1 hour mark it started smelling funny almost like burning. So at 90 minutes I turned off the heat and let them cool. Smell a little worse at this point. Well when I took them out the pot was dry. And funky smelling. Like I said it steamed all the way to the end. My concern is are these jars still good ? Can my mix have dried out inside the jar ? When I mixed everything in the first place before I put in jars I just went with 2 1 1 ratio. I didn't have excess water in the bowl like I once read you should do. I was worried they were dry to begin with . Please help my dumb ass with some feed back


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: Ifishhigh]
    #22457650 - 10/31/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Step one: Buy PC

I did the whole pot boiling thing a few times as well, but my pot never ran out of water. You might have thrown off the amount of water inside the jars, and may have fucked them up. If you have lots of jars you may as well try.

I used a big roast pan when I did it, it kinda sounds like you weren't using a lid and that's where all the water went.


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: Ifishhigh]
    #22457751 - 10/31/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'd start over, both verm and brf for a dozen cakes is really cheap.
next time make sure you dont run out of water, a tight fitting lid shouldn't release that much
but if it does you can re-fill the pot with boiling water.

pf-tek for 90mins in a pot = :thumbup: no need for a PC for that!


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: spacechildo]
    #22457787 - 10/31/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

At least you didn't freak out like I did the first time and pour water into the pot.. I shatters all my jars :facepalm3:

You're going to want to play with the temperature. Bring it to a boil, and reduce the heat to a point where you're still getting steam, but not enough to evaporate the whole pot in under two hours.

I generally flip one of these upside down and put my jar on top of it, and then fill the pot up to right below the jar. Gives me a good 2h45m before it completely evaporates.



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Re: I'm a loser [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22457870 - 10/31/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

get a pic but as said keep some bopiling water on hand to keep it from drying, it's a learning process man you are not a loser, 11 years later i still fuck shit up all the time


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: cronicr]
    #22458441 - 10/31/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

FYI when I was doing the lid rings/aluminum foil combo there would always be a funky metal smell in my kitchen.  With the water running out I know you've got some burnt verm and rice flour stink mixed in.  I take it your using a large pot with a glass lid?  Most of those lids have a small hole for steam to escape from, if the lid/pot fit is not tight and your getting steam escaping from the edges you could try a layer of foil around the rim of the pot to snug everything up.  The goal is to just have steam escaping from the small hole.  Like it was mentioned above it might be time to throw in the towel and go out and get a cheap PC.  When you think about all the time spent trying to rig up a pot and then having to throw away everything in a week or two because it got contaminated  $30 for a cheap PC looks like a hell of a bargain.  Keep on trucking though, you'll get there!


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: Zuul]
    #22458529 - 10/31/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: I'm a loser [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22459186 - 10/31/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Moisture content is screwed after running dry for a half hour.

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newrook said:
Step one: Buy PC



:whathesaid:
True, you don't need a PC for PFtek, but it will improve your chances and is more efficient.

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I generally flip one of these upside down and put my jar on top of it, and then fill the pot up to right below the jar. Gives me a good 2h45m before it completely evaporates.



You steam one jar at a time? That seems like a pretty amazing waste of energy. Get a PC. You can do whole batches of jars in one run and use less energy than you would to steam one jar the way you are.


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: Juiceh]
    #22459651 - 10/31/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

how can you improve from 100% ?
normal pot for 90mins works, every time. cant beat that :shrug:

its not like a PC cant run dry. just start with more water.


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: Juiceh]
    #22459692 - 10/31/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The most I can fit onto one of those steamers is 3 small jars or two big jars.


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22459704 - 10/31/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think you're a loser or a dumbass OP. Don't give up dude just read read read! Don't let a few set backs get you down, trust me I've had a few of my own this year.


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: Juiceh]
    #22459707 - 10/31/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That's what's nice about using pp5 pints with an injection port.  They float easily, so you can fill a stock pot like halfway with water and give 0 fucks.  Probably just need to keep adding water with glass.

Just like, set the timer for 30 mins, boil a kettle, dump it in at 45, finish.

Your jars might be okay.  If you're paying for spore solution it's not worth inculating an iffy sub.


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22459740 - 10/31/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've never had to add water when I did pf-cakes :shrug:
the teks call for a tight fitting lid tho. and no matter if the jars are plastic or glass water evaporates to steam which is what you want.


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: Zuul]
    #22459876 - 10/31/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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FYI when I was doing the lid rings/aluminum foil combo there would always be a funky metal smell in my kitchen.  With the water running out I know you've got some burnt verm and rice flour stink mixed in.  I take it your using a large pot with a glass lid?  Most of those lids have a small hole for steam to escape from, if the lid/pot fit is not tight and your getting steam escaping from the edges you could try a layer of foil around the rim of the pot to snug everything up.  The goal is to just have steam escaping from the small hole.  Like it was mentioned above it might be time to throw in the towel and go out and get a cheap PC.  When you think about all the time spent trying to rig up a pot and then having to throw away everything in a week or two because it got contaminated  $30 for a cheap PC looks like a hell of a bargain.  Keep on trucking though, you'll get there!




The jars would burn if they are still suspended on the lid rings? I know *those* would get hot but the jars are not in contact with a whole lot of metal.

Anyway, just curious. I agree on the PC; it's not really "throwing in the towel" but rather "doing things the right way." (IMO)


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: micro]
    #22460005 - 10/31/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The hotter you run the stove the higher the steam pressure, but I agree a low simmer is pretty prolly fine.  Putting aluminum foil around the rim of the pot helps tighten up the seal.  You can tie the lid down with string to the handle.  My pot had a hole.  I suppose if your pot didn't it's vaguely conceivable it could explode :smile:


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22460015 - 10/31/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

hehe it wouldn't explode, the weakest link will break first and it will most likely be your string.
but dont boil water in a pot with lid on MAX on your stove. adjust the temps :thumbup:


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: spacechildo]
    #22460025 - 10/31/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You never know with a chinese pot and twine :wink:


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: micro]
    #22460137 - 11/01/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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FYI when I was doing the lid rings/aluminum foil combo there would always be a funky metal smell in my kitchen.  With the water running out I know you've got some burnt verm and rice flour stink mixed in.  I take it your using a large pot with a glass lid?  Most of those lids have a small hole for steam to escape from, if the lid/pot fit is not tight and your getting steam escaping from the edges you could try a layer of foil around the rim of the pot to snug everything up.  The goal is to just have steam escaping from the small hole.  Like it was mentioned above it might be time to throw in the towel and go out and get a cheap PC.  When you think about all the time spent trying to rig up a pot and then having to throw away everything in a week or two because it got contaminated  $30 for a cheap PC looks like a hell of a bargain.  Keep on trucking though, you'll get there!




The jars would burn if they are still suspended on the lid rings? I know *those* would get hot but the jars are not in contact with a whole lot of metal.

Anyway, just curious. I agree on the PC; it's not really "throwing in the towel" but rather "doing things the right way." (IMO)






I'm sure the heat transfer through the rings and foil would burn the cake mix in the bottom jars when the water boiled off.  The upper jars might be ok but the temps would climb and the jars would be in danger of evaporation.  The verm would probably be alright but I'm not too sure how the rice flour would do.

Even with the right amount of water in the PC I've had some hairline cracks in some of my bottom jars that I'm sure were from cranking the heat up high when using lid rings and foil.  I do a "pre heat" now by closing up the PC and setting it on medium for 10 mins before going up to high.  So far so good, I haven't noticed any more cracks.


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: spacechildo]
    #22462736 - 11/01/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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how can you improve from 100% ?
normal pot for 90mins works, every time. cant beat that :shrug:

its not like a PC cant run dry. just start with more water.



Never said a PC can't run dry, though it's pretty impossible with a PC converted to a sterilizer. It's important not to run out of water either way.

I don't make brf cakes. But I've seen many people on here say that they always had a few fail when steam sterilizing in a pot and have had better results after switching to PCing. It may work 100% for you and that's great, but it sure doesn't seem to be that way for everyone.


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: Juiceh]
    #22462787 - 11/01/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I havent done cakes in ages but you can steam sterilize them in a pot for 90mins just fine.
of course some will contam, they're inoculated with a syringe that may or may not be dirty.

for the record I completely agree a PC is a must in this hobby, UNLESS you just wanna do a pf-tek grow once a year or so.

For me a PC was no doubt the biggest investment in this hobby, not living in the states I have to pay a ridiculous shipping fee and import tax on those things.

just dont make him think a lack of a PC is what makes or breaks his pf-tek grows.


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: spacechildo]
    #22462822 - 11/01/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I havent done cakes in ages but you can steam sterilize them in a pot for 90mins just fine.
of course some will contam, they're inoculated with a syringe that may or may not be dirty.



I'm sure the syringe is usually the culprit, but like I said others have noted improvements since switching to a PC. Could it be that they got better syringes or better at their inoculation procedures? Sure. But the only variable known in these cases is the switch from steam bath to PC.

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just dont make him think a lack of a PC is what makes or breaks his pf-tek grows.



All I said is that it will improve his chances and be more efficient.


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: Juiceh]
    #22462867 - 11/01/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I guess we have to agree to disagree then :shrug: normal pot works for pf-tek 100/100 times.
leave them un inoculated and they'll be fine. but none of us gonna bother doing that so.. hehe.:super:


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    #22462982 - 11/01/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

A normal pot and lid is100% effective. I have tested this.


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: cronicr]
    #22463425 - 11/01/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for all the info and replies. I got ms syringes from a sponsor vendor. When reading your guys replies you say a dirty syringe is usually the culprit of contamination. Do you mean I didn't flame the needle good enough ? Or the spore solution itself is contaminated ? If that's the case nothing I can do will fix that correct ?
Two things that bothered me on my first inoculation was 1.flaming the needle. Every time I did this between jars I was wondering if the high heat damages the stuff loaded in the needle for the next squirt. 2 after I inoculated I tried removing the tape and it was a disaster. It doesn't come off well after it's been heated in steam pot. Now my lids are a sticky mess


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Re: I'm a loser [Re: Ifishhigh]
    #22463446 - 11/01/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

No spores get harmed and a sticky mess is no biggie


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