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Verm layer disappeared after pc
    #22457243 - 10/31/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So I recently knocked up6 half pintjars the regular ones. Mycelliym is growing fine however today I noticed light through where the verm barrier should be on all six jars.

Funny thing is this only happens on regular half pint jars never when I use wide mouth. As you supposed to loosely put the brf mix in the jars and not pack it down it seems it may be settled down so the verm later doesn't fill the jar to the top

When I make jars I gently settle the brf mix in order to try to prevent this and then I make a nice 1/2 inch verm layer. Had anyone else had this happen? And how is it prevented. I don't get why I only have this issue on regular half pint jars either.

Also one jar is almost totally colonized yet up in part of the verm layer there is green mold. Can this be salvaged as its not on the cake itself? Should I let it finish colonizkg or just toss it?

Also now that there is open space on the jars and the verm later isn't protecting as it should is there anything I can use to prevent contains from getting in?



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Edited by wakeup6621 (10/31/15 02:22 PM)


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Re: Verm layer disappeared after pc [Re: wakeup6621]
    #22457450 - 10/31/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think I need pics to understand this...
the verm layer disappeared or just shrunk/settled? if its still dry mold shouldn't be able to grow in it...so its hard to diagnose much if any, at least for me, without pics..

the dry verm barrier dont need to go all the way to the rim of the jar, it only needs to cover the wet verm+brf mix.


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Re: Verm layer disappeared after pc [Re: spacechildo]
    #22457686 - 10/31/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'll add pics soon. But yes it just settled but u can see the separation from it and the cake and the green mold is only in the verm barrier. Maybe some spore solution leaked into it to cause the moisture.


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Re: Verm layer disappeared after pc [Re: wakeup6621]
    #22457832 - 10/31/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like over time, the substrate is drying out, and because you're using a regular jar instead of a wide-mouth, there isn't enough vermiculite on top of the substrate to keep it fully covered? :confused:


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Re: Verm layer disappeared after pc [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22457941 - 10/31/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Pic added. Maybe it is in the cake itself.

Still the rest of the jar is fully colonized. Should I toss it or can the mycelliun end up fighting it off


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Re: Verm layer disappeared after pc [Re: wakeup6621]
    #22457999 - 10/31/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

no that cake wont finish colonizing, the thick white growth trying to go downwards there is bacteria.
your dry verm barrier isnt dry at all, when it gets wet it'll allow mold spores to germinate.
might also be that your syringe didnt go through it and something nasty in it started growing. sorry.


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Re: Verm layer disappeared after pc [Re: spacechildo]
    #22458016 - 10/31/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

that cake looks to be toast


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Re: Verm layer disappeared after pc [Re: cronicr]
    #22458164 - 10/31/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like your dry verm layer was disturbed and fell down the side of the jar.  I've had that happen a couple times with imperfect water content, but the primary cause was picking them up and looking far too often.


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Re: Verm layer disappeared after pc [Re: Sivarted]
    #22458168 - 10/31/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yeah, and get rid of the one with green.  You don't want it to sporulate all over.


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Re: Verm layer disappeared after pc [Re: wakeup6621]
    #22458188 - 10/31/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Open it outside and see if that trichoderma washes off with a paper towel, it might actually just be bruising. If it's just bruising, then wipe the excess subsrate from the top of the cake and give it a good 24 hour dunk, and roll it in fresh vermiculite. It might give you a few shrooms if you're lucky


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Re: Verm layer disappeared after pc [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22458207 - 10/31/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Look at the texture and color of the green.  I've seen that before, it's definitely not bruising, and the white area beneath is almost certainly mold that just hasn't turned green yet.

Also, the cake is nowhere near full colonization, and the verm layer is obviously compromised, looks like it's all fallen down the sides of the jar.


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Re: Verm layer disappeared after pc [Re: Sivarted]
    #22458214 - 10/31/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, somebody else said it too, but the verm contam barrier doesn't look dry.  Was it wet?  Cause that would definitely be the problem if so.  :smile:


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