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Another plane crash
    #22456605 - 10/31/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Russian A321


I heard that Russia has the worst aviation safety record


I flew on Tu 154 about a dozen of times, i should consider myself lucky


As for a plane called Tu 144 which is Russian equvivalent to concord i heard it was nick named flying coffin and i think they written it off long time ago

:sad:


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: desant]
    #22456607 - 10/31/15 06:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)



Tu 154




Tu 144


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: desant]
    #22456625 - 10/31/15 06:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

There has been a lot of crashes lately, they srsly need to collect the black boxes and figure out whats going on.


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: Chakanooga]
    #22456636 - 10/31/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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There has been a lot of crashes lately, they srsly need to collect the black boxes and figure out whats going on.



MY guess is sabotage. There's a war on and spies are in the business of clandestinly destroying things.


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: desant]
    #22456682 - 10/31/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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desant said:
Russian A321


I heard that Russia has the worst aviation safety record


I flew on Tu 154 about a dozen of times, i should consider myself lucky


As for a plane called Tu 144 which is Russian equvivalent to concord i heard it was nick named flying coffin and i think they written it off long time ago

:sad:





the Tu 144 came before the Concorde, so maybe it needs to be called the
Frenchie-brit version of the charger


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #22456684 - 10/31/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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There has been a lot of crashes lately, they srsly need to collect the black boxes and figure out whats going on.



MY guess is sabotage. There's a war on and spies are in the business of clandestinly destroying things.





or they were poorly designed which is part of why they were pulled out of service too begin with


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22456687 - 10/31/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Poorly designed? u mean A321??


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #22456694 - 10/31/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I am hearing the plane was @ 31,000 feet when the 'lost contact' appearantly with no distress calls when it 'dissappeared from radar'.... Massive metal objects don't just dissappear unless they suddenly become tiny little pieces suddently.  I doubt the black boxes will show much.  It's the ground they need to investigate more than the plane.


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: desant]
    #22456696 - 10/31/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Poorly designed? u mean A321??





I mean like 87% of the soviet era planes


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22456698 - 10/31/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

My guess, that A321 was old and written off so the russians bought it thought it was a bargain :frown:


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22456703 - 10/31/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Poorly designed? u mean A321??





I mean like 87% of the soviet era planes





Dude A321 is not soviet


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: desant]
    #22456780 - 10/31/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Appear the plane wasn't all that old in terms of aircraft life...

Airbus (A European manufacturer) just released this statement:

http://www.airbus.com/crisis/

"METROJET A321-200 FLIGHT 7K-9268 ACCIDENT OVER SINAI PENINSULA
31 October 2015

Airbus regrets to confirm that an A321-200 operated by Metrojet was involved in an accident shortly after 6:17 local time (04:17 GMT) over the Sinai Peninsula today. The aircraft was operating a scheduled service, Flight 7K-9268 from Sharm el Sheikh (Egypt) to St. Petersburg (Russia).
The concerns and sympathy of the Airbus employees go to all those affected by this tragic accident of Flight 7K-9268.

The aircraft involved in the accident, registered under EI-ETJ was MSN (Manufacturer Serial Number) 663, was produced in 1997 and since 2012 operated by Metrojet. The aircraft had accumulated some 56000 flight hours in nearly 21000 flights. It was powered by IAE-V2500 engines. At this time no further factual information is available.

In line with ICAO annex 13, an Airbus go-team of technical advisors stands-by ready to provide full technical assistance to French Investigation Agency – BEA – and to the Authorities in charge of the investigation.

The A321-200 is the largest member of the Airbus twin-engine A320 Family seating up to 240 passengers. The first A321 entered service in January 1994. By the end of September 2015, some 6500 A320 Family aircraft were in service with over 300 operators. To date, the entire fleet has accumulated some 168 million flight hours in some 92.5 million flights.

Airbus will make further factual information available as soon as the details have been confirmed and cleared by the authorities for release."



It does appear the engines were the original 1989 model however. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAE_V2500) That does not mean an engine failure however if properly maintained.  It also wouldn't account for a sudden dissappearance from radar. 


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: Joe_C]
    #22456924 - 10/31/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I am hearing the plane was @ 31,000 feet when the 'lost contact' appearantly with no distress calls when it 'dissappeared from radar'....



The pilot informed air control that there was a problem and he requested to land near to the site the plane consequently crashed. It 'disappeared' from the radar upon crashing, which is what happens if a plane hits the ground; the radar no longer picks it up.


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: desant]
    #22456962 - 10/31/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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desant said:
Poorly designed? u mean A321??





I mean like 87% of the soviet era planes





Dude A321 is not soviet





I was in a discussion about the Tu 144


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22457244 - 10/31/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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January 1994




Dude thats old! at  21 years! 

Usually after 10 - 15 years planes get signed off / sold to developing world, which is lame, and this is what happened here.

It seems aircraft malfunctioned, but i wuldnt rule out sabotage, in the air from a passenger or from the ground


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: desant] * 1
    #22457276 - 10/31/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Isis claims to have shot it down. More likely they got a bomb on board


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: koods]
    #22457294 - 10/31/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmm better take the bike instead.


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Re: Another plane crash [Re: Joe_C]
    #22457300 - 10/31/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Joe_C said:
I am hearing the plane was @ 31,000 feet when the 'lost contact' appearantly with no distress calls when it 'dissappeared from radar'.... Massive metal objects don't just dissappear unless they suddenly become tiny little pieces suddently.  I doubt the black boxes will show much.  It's the ground they need to investigate more than the plane.



actually iirc they should show if theres any sudden acceleration, drops in altitude or pressure changes all of which could indicate a bomb, engine failure ect.


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