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Eugenics
    #22455472 - 10/30/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I personally believe we should be altering the environment instead.

What are your thoughts??


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Re: Eugenics [Re: Shiithead]
    #22455481 - 10/30/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Breed the best and brightest most athletic and beautiful people together with their consent. See what happens...


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Re: Eugenics [Re: Shiithead]
    #22455491 - 10/30/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Eugenics was proved as hokum long ago. Perpetuating a world war with Germany and Japan.
Master race and such


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Re: Eugenics [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #22455545 - 10/30/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If I were to have kids I would love to be able to prevent any very undesirable genetic traits. I'm too selfish to have kids but if I weren't that selfish then I would want thatoption.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22455650 - 10/30/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm kind of drunk but the defenition of Eugenics on wikipedia sounds pretty intense... Lol

"Eugenics, the social movement claiming to improve the genetic features of human populations through selective breeding and sterilization, based on the idea that it is possible to distinguish between superior and inferior elements of society, played a significant role in the history and culture of the United States ..."

Are we talking about gene mutation or creating an aryan race?


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Re: Eugenics [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22455657 - 10/30/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Modern eugenics is little more than a cult of death with it's roots in racism and hatred.

Even if it has practical and much needed uses it will be irrelevant within the next 10 - 20 years and stuff like genetically modifying ourselves will be a far superior technology and the morality of the whole thing will be about religious ideals.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: zee007]
    #22455666 - 10/30/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

How about instead of genetically altering people why don't we focus more on improving what we already are? Example:bionic limbs etc. Augmentation.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #22455679 - 10/30/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I would rather be able to grow taller and be able to grow my hair long again and have better facial features and otherwise be more attractive to sluts for one night stands


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Re: Eugenics [Re: MagicalOrangutan] * 1
    #22455684 - 10/30/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Scientific inbreeding.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #22455686 - 10/30/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That's all one big field of research isn't it? All of those things are coming straight out of the U.S. war-machine. Super soldier programs and all that...

Bionic limbs are pretty much already here


But with genetic engineering you could theoretically just grow him a new leg


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Re: Eugenics [Re: TailoredVibez]
    #22455697 - 10/30/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

psychedelic stormfront.

seriously, the pub...we shouldn't even entertain these ludicrous backwards, backtracks of ideology.

my fucking god, shroomery...ythan...do you like this shit?


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22455716 - 10/30/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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psychedelic stormfront.

seriously, the pub...we shouldn't even entertain these ludicrous backwards, backtracks of ideology.

my fucking god, shroomery...ythan...do you like this shit?



Hey human augmentation is a valid idea.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22455720 - 10/30/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I usually think "being able to prevent our children from having down syndrome or being ugly" when I think of eugenics. Not "creating a monotonous superior race". But of course the retarded motherfuckers among us will turn it into that and assume that's what we mean when actually maybe we just want to make sure our kids don't havhave the same genetic FLAWS that we personally have


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Re: Eugenics [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #22455727 - 10/30/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Eugenics should be practiced more often, but any time you say that you get people bringing up irrelevant shit like Aryans and racism...


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22455728 - 10/30/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
psychedelic stormfront.

seriously, the pub...we shouldn't even entertain these ludicrous backwards, backtracks of ideology.

my fucking god, shroomery...ythan...do you like this shit?




Would you object to having all woman looking beautiful and always eager to have sex?  Let science make them. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Eugenics [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22455730 - 10/30/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I usually think "being able to prevent our children from having down syndrome or being ugly" when I think of eugenics. Not "creating a monotonous superior race". But of course the retarded motherfuckers among us will turn it into that and assume that's what we mean when actually maybe we just want to make sure our kids don't havhave the same genetic FLAWS that we personally have



Yep. That seemed to be the response when I made a similar eugenics thread several months ago.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: D.M.T]
    #22455738 - 10/30/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Eugenics should be practiced more often, but any time you say that you get people bringing up irrelevant shit like Aryans and racism...




I think there's a lot of insecure people out there.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: qman]
    #22455740 - 10/30/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
psychedelic stormfront.

seriously, the pub...we shouldn't even entertain these ludicrous backwards, backtracks of ideology.

my fucking god, shroomery...ythan...do you like this shit?




Would you object to having all woman looking beautiful and always eager to have sex?  Let science make them. :cookiemonster:



People would rather obese fucks breed with obese fucks "because that's who they love" to make more obese women than making better partner selection. My guess is they must have better luck scoring with the obese women, so if they gotta have a fatty with poor genes then society should too.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22455750 - 10/30/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
psychedelic stormfront.

seriously, the pub...we shouldn't even entertain these ludicrous backwards, backtracks of ideology.

my fucking god, shroomery...ythan...do you like this shit?




Except this is why the thread will be so entertaining


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Re: Eugenics [Re: D.M.T]
    #22455754 - 10/30/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

the thread is about Eugenics...a very specific ideology and an ideology first and foremost, before it is scientific.

human augmentation...sure, that's worth discussing. NOT Eugenics. that's just horseshit.

am i the only one who can see the fucking difference?

and No, Qman, no, i don't give a fuck about that. first off: plenty of hot chicks already. just See the Shroomery.

and secondly: always eager to have sex? how shallow can one get? i have no interest in sex above the aspect of pleasuring my cock, pleasuring my ladies labial erm connections, and well,...that's the least interesting thing about a person to me, honestly. i'd rather go hiking...cook...discuss and converse...entertain and explore... call it research and development.

then sex. then rinse wash and repeat.

it's all frankly a bit overrated.

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Eugenics should be practiced more often, but any time you say that you get people bringing up irrelevant shit like Aryans and racism...


no. Eugenics is a very specific think that is essentially racist. gee, i thought the shroomery was about very specific dictionary definitions.

well, Eugenics specifies that certain people, whom are naturally flawed (as people are again SEE SHROOMERY), that they get stopped from reproducing.

freedom in the US, right? that's important, no? or is all that a blatant lie?

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Except this is why the thread will be so entertaining



it's only entertaining once you enjoy the aspect of the same idiotic prospects being pushed in every thread by the same handful of posters who just want to troll the everliving fuck out of the shroomery.

god this place really sucks these days. i mean, not just noobs or anything...no it sucks. plain and simple.

no thought required and no discussion needed. just a huge echochamber.

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I think there's a lot of insecure people out there.



irony.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22455769 - 10/30/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I usually think "being able to prevent our children from having down syndrome or being ugly" when I think of eugenics. Not "creating a monotonous superior race". But of course the retarded motherfuckers among us will turn it into that and assume that's what we mean when actually maybe we just want to make sure our kids don't havhave the same genetic FLAWS that we personally have



Your genetic flaws get passed down to your kids. That's how genetics works


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Re: Eugenics [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22455777 - 10/30/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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People would rather obese fucks breed with obese fucks "because that's who they love" to make more obese women than making better partner selection. My guess is they must have better luck scoring with the obese women, so if they gotta have a fatty with poor genes then society should too.



maybe in America you have a huge obesity problem...but the rest of the world don't really see too many societal problems with "fatties".

so whatever nutbar.

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I usually think "being able to prevent our children from having down syndrome or being ugly" when I think of eugenics. Not "creating a monotonous superior race". But of course the retarded motherfuckers among us will turn it into that and assume that's what we mean when actually maybe we just want to make sure our kids don't havhave the same genetic FLAWS that we personally have



absolutely shallow. you realize there's no fucking way to do what you've just proposed? to alter the society at large in the way you wish to would actually involve sterilizing people with down-syndrome.

way to think, no brain. :haha:

no but seriously, your idea is stupid as shit.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22455783 - 10/30/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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D.M.T said:
Eugenics should be practiced more often, but any time you say that you get people bringing up irrelevant shit like Aryans and racism...


no. Eugenics is a very specific think that is essentially racist. gee, i thought the shroomery was about very specific dictionary definitions.

well, Eugenics specifies that certain people, whom are naturally flawed (as people are again SEE SHROOMERY), that they get stopped from reproducing.

freedom in the US, right? that's important, no? or is all that a blatant lie?



That isn't racism. It's producing a better offspring than you'd make with Betty by mating with Roberta.

I don't think better gene selection should be state-mandated or anything. I think it should be encouraged. Big difference.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22455787 - 10/30/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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D.M.T said:
People would rather obese fucks breed with obese fucks "because that's who they love" to make more obese women than making better partner selection. My guess is they must have better luck scoring with the obese women, so if they gotta have a fatty with poor genes then society should too.



maybe in America you have a huge obesity problem...but the rest of the world don't really see too many societal problems with "fatties".

so whatever nutbar.




Not only is that false, but it's getting more false by the day. Obesity is certainly a worldwide epidemic.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: D.M.T]
    #22455797 - 10/30/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

oh i see what you're saying, you mean, "don't fuck Wendy, she's fucking no tits and kind of a horse face; no, go for Rebecca, she's sweet and hot, and pretty smart."

oh ok, gotchya.

but like i said; Eugenics, very specific definitions, (i thought that was a rule here, very specific definitions...oh but when it comes to something that matters, oh nevermind all that, lets change the definition)

(can't use words differently then what is expected but when it comes to entire ideologies, go right the fuck ahead and make up whatever definition you want. :lol: oh shroomery), i thought Eugenics meant, forced sterilization, genetic predispositions stopped dead in their tracks so that they do not quote un quote "infect" the rest of a "healthy society"?

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Not only is that false, but it's getting more false by the day. Obesity is certainly a worldwide epidemic.



yeah, it's an "epidemic" as in a health concern. not an "epidemic" as in a fucking want for sexier looking breeding. :rolleyes:


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22455802 - 10/30/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think the world would be much better if conservatives were prevented from passing their inferior genes on to another generation.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22455808 - 10/30/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Eugenics:
the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.

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Nothing about that suggests force.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: D.M.T]
    #22455810 - 10/30/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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D.M.T said:
Eugenics should be practiced more often, but any time you say that you get people bringing up irrelevant shit like Aryans and racism...


no. Eugenics is a very specific think that is essentially racist. gee, i thought the shroomery was about very specific dictionary definitions.

well, Eugenics specifies that certain people, whom are naturally flawed (as people are again SEE SHROOMERY), that they get stopped from reproducing.

freedom in the US, right? that's important, no? or is all that a blatant lie?



That isn't racism. It's producing a better offspring than you'd make with Betty by mating with Roberta.

I don't think better gene selection should be state-mandated or anything. I think it should be encouraged. Big difference.




better gene selection and eugenics are two very different things. eugenics might as well be genocide.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: koods]
    #22455813 - 10/30/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I think the world would be much better if conservatives were prevented from passing their inferior genes on to another generation.



So you're in support of eugenics too. :thumbup:


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Re: Eugenics [Re: koods]
    #22455824 - 10/30/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I think the world would be much better if conservatives were prevented from passing their inferior genes on to another generation.




How would you explain Ron Reagan JR? :lol:


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Re: Eugenics [Re: koods]
    #22455825 - 10/30/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

conservatives are fine.

republicans...ehhh, i dunno if they've ever been able to think past their empty rhetoric and old adage of misapprehending the concept of truth, freedom ect ect

solo nation's under individual government, pooled together to presume the world works in one very narrow aspect of recovering 18th, 17th, 16th, century ways of life, expulsion of technology and of economic growth, and a willingness to serve only their own agenda while subjugating everyone else.

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I think the world would be much better if conservatives were prevented from passing their inferior genes on to another generation.



So you're in support of eugenics too. :thumbup:



oh look at that. caught red handed. you, i mean, caught red handed.

way to contradict yourself. it's not by force oh no...but hey, there ya go, you agree that what koods is suggesting is Eugenics, by definition.

:congrats: hypocrite.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: TailoredVibez]
    #22455826 - 10/30/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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D.M.T said:
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D.M.T said:
Eugenics should be practiced more often, but any time you say that you get people bringing up irrelevant shit like Aryans and racism...


no. Eugenics is a very specific think that is essentially racist. gee, i thought the shroomery was about very specific dictionary definitions.

well, Eugenics specifies that certain people, whom are naturally flawed (as people are again SEE SHROOMERY), that they get stopped from reproducing.

freedom in the US, right? that's important, no? or is all that a blatant lie?



That isn't racism. It's producing a better offspring than you'd make with Betty by mating with Roberta.

I don't think better gene selection should be state-mandated or anything. I think it should be encouraged. Big difference.




better gene selection and eugenics are two very different things. eugenics might as well be genocide.



The work of Francis Galton has nothing to do with genocide and everything to do with creating a better family unit. He created the idea of eugenics, and it is in fact simply better gene selection.



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Re: Eugenics [Re: D.M.T]
    #22455838 - 10/30/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

no.

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the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics.




not a science...an ideology. there is nothing scientific about his proposal.

controlled breeding? what, you mean in a fucking lab? have you ever read an ethical guideline, by any chance, in your life?


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22455858 - 10/30/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Controlled breeding does not mean a lab. It means by controlling who you're breeding with by their traits.

I just quoted the dictionary definition, so bring it up with them if you think you have a more accurate one.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22455867 - 10/30/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Akura I seriously want to murder you for pissing me off. Gimme an address I fucking dare you.

And what I meant was making sure that AN INDIVIDUAL doesn't pass their genetic flaws to their offspring. Why the fuck is that impossible even with genetic engineering? Not talking about an entire race being uniformly cleansed from a genetic flaws

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Re: Eugenics [Re: D.M.T] * 1
    #22455870 - 10/30/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Eugenics:
the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.

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Nothing about that suggests force.



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Controlled breeding does not mean a lab. It means by controlling who you're breeding with by their traits.

I just quoted the dictionary definition, so bring it up with them if you think you have a more accurate one.




No. It means controlling who gets to breed.
You just said not allowing conservatives to breed is eugenics.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: D.M.T]
    #22455875 - 10/30/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

are you fucking serious? do you even know who galton was or are you just reading wikipedia articles? he was a lapdog of the british establishment, knee deep in the sciences of social control.

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    #22455880 - 10/30/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's generally a wrong-minded approach (even if you ignore the "forcing it on people against their will" aspect to some well-known past implementations.) I don't believe that an editorial board style approach to reducing genetic diversity would be making our species stronger anyway. Even genes that appear "bad" to us now may eventually be modified through mutation into something we would have thought was "good." There really is no way to foresee every possible way that a gene could transform into a useful one in the future, and IMO believing otherwise is arrogant and unscientific.

For an extreme example look at cheetahs. They have "the best" genes in the sense that they are really really good at some task (chasing animals down at high speed.) They are also incredibly inbred because of a past extreme bottleneck where only a handful of individuals survived. The genes that they lost in that near-extinction event are unrecoverable, and they likely will go extinct before achieving a similar degree of genetic diversity again by random mutation.

Let's assume that cheetahs do not go extinct though, and that the process to recovery is overseen by some editorial board who ensures the removal of every "bad" gene that arises through random mutation (the vast majority of mutated genes.) This pre-emptive "help" actually is preventing the later creation of "good" genes from that pool of diversity consisting of "bad" ones. And that's why I think the idea that reducing our gene pool in order to "improve" our species is idiotic and short-sighted.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22455893 - 10/30/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Akura I seriously want to murder you for pissing me off. Gimme an address I fucking dare you.

And what I meant was making sure that AN INDIVIDUAL doesn't pass their genetic flaws to their offspring. Why the fuck is that impossible even with genetic engineering? Not talking about an entire race being uniformly cleansed from a genetic flaws you fucking retard



threatening me with an actual accusation that you'll murder me? nice.

[mod edit: let's de-escalate this flame war please]

PS: what you're suggesting is impossible. sperm then ovum then genes.

you can't splice into that and change anything before the specimen (in this case) is already in development in the womb. retard.


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    #22455945 - 10/30/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm talking about altering genomes in the sperm and eggs beforehand. And there's no possibility that technology can ever decrease the uncertainty that everything will "go right" when the sperm and egg genomes are creating a new genome? Technology will never be able to increase the stability of this process? I think that is quite narrow minded quite frankly!

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    #22455951 - 10/30/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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are you fucking serious? do you even know who galton was or are you just reading wikipedia articles? he was a lapdog of the british establishment, knee deep in the sciences of social control.

i suppose you're a fan of margaret sanger too?



One hour ago I didn't know who he was, no. Enlighten me.

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Eugenics:
the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.

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Nothing about that suggests force.



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Controlled breeding does not mean a lab. It means by controlling who you're breeding with by their traits.

I just quoted the dictionary definition, so bring it up with them if you think you have a more accurate one.




No. It means controlling who gets to breed.
You just said not allowing conservatives to breed is eugenics.



I don't support not allowing conservatives to breed. I support people making decisions on who they breed with based on the traits they want, not based on silly emotional lovey-dovey stuff that gives your kid bad genes.


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    #22455992 - 10/30/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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are you fucking serious? do you even know who galton was or are you just reading wikipedia articles? he was a lapdog of the british establishment, knee deep in the sciences of social control.

i suppose you're a fan of margaret sanger too?



One hour ago I didn't know who he was, no. Enlighten me.

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Eugenics:
the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.

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Nothing about that suggests force.



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Controlled breeding does not mean a lab. It means by controlling who you're breeding with by their traits.

I just quoted the dictionary definition, so bring it up with them if you think you have a more accurate one.




No. It means controlling who gets to breed.
You just said not allowing conservatives to breed is eugenics.



I don't support not allowing conservatives to breed. I support people making decisions on who they breed with based on the traits they want, not based on silly emotional lovey-dovey stuff that gives your kid bad genes.




In short, he (along with many eugenics advocates) worked for the British establishment out of Cambridge in the early 1900's, involved in the infancy of modern British intelligence and British mind control projects, had a hand in the Fabian Society with the founders of Planned Parenthood. Great friends with the British Aristocracy and banking families, which funded this particular groups work, which preceded the Nazis, that's where they got all their ideas about eugenics from, of course it was influenced by the SS and their Germanic neo-paganism but this where they got the basics from. Same people that created him and everyone in that circle also created the Nazis.


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    #22456005 - 10/30/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I support people making decisions on who they breed with based on the traits they want,




not Eugenics. it's selective breeding.


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    #22456016 - 10/30/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Eugenics is just as much about making sure the wrong people don't breed as it is about making sure the right people do.


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    #22456027 - 10/30/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Eugenics is just as much about making sure the wrong people don't breed as it is about making sure the right people do.



It was an anti human agenda masquerading as "good" racial supremacy. It was first beta-tested on the Irish, and was planned to be used as a tool for expanding the British empire, later passed on to the Nazis where it fit better and worked quite well.
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Re: Eugenics [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22456032 - 10/30/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm talking about altering genomes in the sperm and eggs beforehand. And there's no possibility that technology can ever decrease the uncertainty that everything will "go right" when the sperm and egg genomes are creating a new genome? Technology will never be able to increase the stability of this process? I think that is quite narrow minded quite frankly!

And you are arguing with a mentally unstable person to completely honest. I'm over my rage already



good.

how are you gonna change the genomics of the sperm? how do you introduce a technologically superior spermatozoa into an egg and have it fertilize?

you realize how difficult it'd be to even pull that off. you'd have to rich twice over, with presumable more attempts than one, to pull that off. the best bet you know is with like fucking nanomachines, which is it's own ethical dilemma and also again WAY too expensive to even imagine...let alone the fact that we're talking science fiction here, i mean, in terms of the future, in terms of we're talking about something that cannot be done yet. :shrug:

and then there are the difficulties that Psi postulated earlier in the thread, which was duly ignored.

how do you wrap all that up in a neat little bow?

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You are severely misinformed.



dude i think he pretty much was in agreement with you there.

but lovely information, though, thanks for givin us that valuable history. really. thanks.


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    #22456049 - 10/30/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm talking about altering genomes in the sperm and eggs beforehand. And there's no possibility that technology can ever decrease the uncertainty that everything will "go right" when the sperm and egg genomes are creating a new genome? Technology will never be able to increase the stability of this process? I think that is quite narrow minded quite frankly!

And you are arguing with a mentally unstable person to completely honest. I'm over my rage already



good.
My bad, got wrapped up in frustration. It's all absolutel
how are you gonna change the genomics of the sperm? how do you introduce a technologically superior spermatozoa into an egg and have it fertilize?

you realize how difficult it'd be to even pull that off. you'd have to rich twice over, with presumable more attempts than one, to pull that off. the best bet you know is with like fucking nanomachines, which is it's own ethical dilemma and also again WAY too expensive to even imagine...let alone the fact that we're talking science fiction here, i mean, in terms of the future, in terms of we're talking about something that cannot be done yet. :shrug:

and then there are the difficulties that Psi postulated earlier in the thread, which was duly ignored.

how do you wrap all that up in a neat little bow?

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You are severely misinformed.



dude i think he pretty much was in agreement with you there.

but lovely information, though, thanks for givin us that valuable history. really. thanks.



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I'm talking about altering genomes in the sperm and eggs beforehand. And there's no possibility that technology can ever decrease the uncertainty that everything will "go right" when the sperm and egg genomes are creating a new genome? Technology will never be able to increase the stability of this process? I think that is quite narrow minded quite frankly!

And you are arguing with a mentally unstable person to completely honest. I'm over my rage already



good.

how are you gonna change the genomics of the sperm? how do you introduce a technologically superior spermatozoa into an egg and have it fertilize?

you realize how difficult it'd be to even pull that off. you'd have to rich twice over, with presumable more attempts than one, to pull that off. the best bet you know is with like fucking nanomachines, which is it's own ethical dilemma and also again WAY too expensive to even imagine...let alone the fact that we're talking science fiction here, i mean, in terms of the future, in terms of we're talking about something that cannot be done yet. :shrug:

and then there are the difficulties that Psi postulated earlier in the thread, which was duly ignored.

how do you wrap all that up in a neat little bow?

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You are severely misinformed.



dude i think he pretty much was in agreement with you there.

but lovely information, though, thanks for givin us that valuable history. really. thanks.




My bad, got wrapped up in frustration. It's all true though, every bit of it.

P.S. about that gene manipulation thing, i'm pretty sure designer babies is a thing...but don't quote me on that.


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    #22456055 - 10/30/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Eugenics is just as much about making sure the wrong people don't breed as it is about making sure the right people do.




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    #22456066 - 10/30/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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    #22456071 - 10/30/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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My bad, got wrapped up in frustration. It's all true though, every bit of it.

P.S. about that gene manipulation thing, i'm pretty sure designer babies is a thing...but don't quote me on that.



yes, which is perfectly fine...you want to see information on applicants for sperm donation? that's WAY different, though, eh? :fonda:

but yep, you're correct. BTW +1

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Eugenics is just as much about making sure the wrong people don't breed as it is about making sure the right people do.




- Adolf Hitler




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    #22456082 - 10/30/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I thought that koods was being serious, no?


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Re: Eugenics [Re: psi]
    #22456100 - 10/30/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

he was making a point. he wasn't suggesting that what he said there was what he believed should be the case.

he was pointing out the inherent dangerousness of the Eugenicist's dilemma. at least, i'm pretty sure.


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    #22456120 - 10/30/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It's hard to tell sometimes on here. I took his comments as being in support of eugenics though. I thought I remembered him saying similar on other threads as well.


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    #22456122 - 10/30/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

other people wish they could genetically eliminate what they don't like...koods is suggesting that if he was in favor of Eugenics, that'd it be conservatives he'd get rid of, diametrically opposed to the usual person in favor of such tactics such as Eugenics to rid the world of whom they find as troublesome.

:tongue: or something like that.


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    #22456124 - 10/30/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

DMT seems to think eugenics is all about beautiful people making babies but in reality it's also about making sure "undesirables" don't spread their inferior genes.


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    #22456132 - 10/30/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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    #22456134 - 10/30/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

because love's got nothin' to do with it.


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    #22456140 - 10/30/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Mutts are always the best dogs.


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    #22456144 - 10/30/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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    #22458725 - 10/31/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Not arguing about how long it will take for designer babies to really be realistic. But why the fuck do you guys have the right to tell two parents that they can't..assuming this were possible at the time..have designer babies if they wanted to? It would be their bodies and their babies RIGHT?


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    #22458976 - 10/31/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Actually you own yourself. If you were a designer baby would you want foreign coding in your body??


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    #22459002 - 10/31/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I was hoping someone would say that exact argument.

I would rather have been born taller and without mild autism and with non balding hair. Because I'm not a designer babiebaby, I'm stuck with those three primary genetic flaws. Honestly I have no other significant genetic flaws


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    #22459013 - 10/31/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Let me ask this, would you want foreign coding on your computer??


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Re: Eugenics [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22459034 - 10/31/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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MagicalOrangutan said:
I was hoping someone would say that exact argument.

I would rather have been born taller and without mild autism and with non balding hair. Because I'm not a designer babiebaby, I'm stuck with those three primary genetic flaws. Honestly I have no other significant genetic flaws



you wouldn't be you then. also, no one said that going through a process of selecting whom you procreate with or who's sperm donation you take was a wrong.

just that eugenics is wrong, and that genetically altering a child from before the womb is impossible.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22459073 - 10/31/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ok. I agree with everything you guys are saying except honestly I would find it fucking cool to be a science experiment


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That makes the heart's eye cry
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