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Re: Eugenics [Re: koods]
    #22455951 - 10/30/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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TailoredVibez said:
are you fucking serious? do you even know who galton was or are you just reading wikipedia articles? he was a lapdog of the british establishment, knee deep in the sciences of social control.

i suppose you're a fan of margaret sanger too?



One hour ago I didn't know who he was, no. Enlighten me.

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Eugenics:
the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.

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Nothing about that suggests force.



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D.M.T said:
Controlled breeding does not mean a lab. It means by controlling who you're breeding with by their traits.

I just quoted the dictionary definition, so bring it up with them if you think you have a more accurate one.




No. It means controlling who gets to breed.
You just said not allowing conservatives to breed is eugenics.



I don't support not allowing conservatives to breed. I support people making decisions on who they breed with based on the traits they want, not based on silly emotional lovey-dovey stuff that gives your kid bad genes.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: D.M.T] * 1
    #22455992 - 10/30/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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D.M.T said:
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TailoredVibez said:
are you fucking serious? do you even know who galton was or are you just reading wikipedia articles? he was a lapdog of the british establishment, knee deep in the sciences of social control.

i suppose you're a fan of margaret sanger too?



One hour ago I didn't know who he was, no. Enlighten me.

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koods said:
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D.M.T said:
Eugenics:
the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.

--
Nothing about that suggests force.



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D.M.T said:
Controlled breeding does not mean a lab. It means by controlling who you're breeding with by their traits.

I just quoted the dictionary definition, so bring it up with them if you think you have a more accurate one.




No. It means controlling who gets to breed.
You just said not allowing conservatives to breed is eugenics.



I don't support not allowing conservatives to breed. I support people making decisions on who they breed with based on the traits they want, not based on silly emotional lovey-dovey stuff that gives your kid bad genes.




In short, he (along with many eugenics advocates) worked for the British establishment out of Cambridge in the early 1900's, involved in the infancy of modern British intelligence and British mind control projects, had a hand in the Fabian Society with the founders of Planned Parenthood. Great friends with the British Aristocracy and banking families, which funded this particular groups work, which preceded the Nazis, that's where they got all their ideas about eugenics from, of course it was influenced by the SS and their Germanic neo-paganism but this where they got the basics from. Same people that created him and everyone in that circle also created the Nazis.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: TailoredVibez]
    #22456005 - 10/30/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I support people making decisions on who they breed with based on the traits they want,




not Eugenics. it's selective breeding.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22456016 - 10/30/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Eugenics is just as much about making sure the wrong people don't breed as it is about making sure the right people do.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: koods] * 1
    #22456027 - 10/30/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
Eugenics is just as much about making sure the wrong people don't breed as it is about making sure the right people do.



It was an anti human agenda masquerading as "good" racial supremacy. It was first beta-tested on the Irish, and was planned to be used as a tool for expanding the British empire, later passed on to the Nazis where it fit better and worked quite well.
You are severely misinformed.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22456032 - 10/30/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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MagicalOrangutan said:
I'm talking about altering genomes in the sperm and eggs beforehand. And there's no possibility that technology can ever decrease the uncertainty that everything will "go right" when the sperm and egg genomes are creating a new genome? Technology will never be able to increase the stability of this process? I think that is quite narrow minded quite frankly!

And you are arguing with a mentally unstable person to completely honest. I'm over my rage already



good.

how are you gonna change the genomics of the sperm? how do you introduce a technologically superior spermatozoa into an egg and have it fertilize?

you realize how difficult it'd be to even pull that off. you'd have to rich twice over, with presumable more attempts than one, to pull that off. the best bet you know is with like fucking nanomachines, which is it's own ethical dilemma and also again WAY too expensive to even imagine...let alone the fact that we're talking science fiction here, i mean, in terms of the future, in terms of we're talking about something that cannot be done yet. :shrug:

and then there are the difficulties that Psi postulated earlier in the thread, which was duly ignored.

how do you wrap all that up in a neat little bow?

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TailoredVibez said:
You are severely misinformed.



dude i think he pretty much was in agreement with you there.

but lovely information, though, thanks for givin us that valuable history. really. thanks.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22456049 - 10/30/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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MagicalOrangutan said:
I'm talking about altering genomes in the sperm and eggs beforehand. And there's no possibility that technology can ever decrease the uncertainty that everything will "go right" when the sperm and egg genomes are creating a new genome? Technology will never be able to increase the stability of this process? I think that is quite narrow minded quite frankly!

And you are arguing with a mentally unstable person to completely honest. I'm over my rage already



good.
My bad, got wrapped up in frustration. It's all absolutel
how are you gonna change the genomics of the sperm? how do you introduce a technologically superior spermatozoa into an egg and have it fertilize?

you realize how difficult it'd be to even pull that off. you'd have to rich twice over, with presumable more attempts than one, to pull that off. the best bet you know is with like fucking nanomachines, which is it's own ethical dilemma and also again WAY too expensive to even imagine...let alone the fact that we're talking science fiction here, i mean, in terms of the future, in terms of we're talking about something that cannot be done yet. :shrug:

and then there are the difficulties that Psi postulated earlier in the thread, which was duly ignored.

how do you wrap all that up in a neat little bow?

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TailoredVibez said:
You are severely misinformed.



dude i think he pretty much was in agreement with you there.

but lovely information, though, thanks for givin us that valuable history. really. thanks.



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akira_akuma said:
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MagicalOrangutan said:
I'm talking about altering genomes in the sperm and eggs beforehand. And there's no possibility that technology can ever decrease the uncertainty that everything will "go right" when the sperm and egg genomes are creating a new genome? Technology will never be able to increase the stability of this process? I think that is quite narrow minded quite frankly!

And you are arguing with a mentally unstable person to completely honest. I'm over my rage already



good.

how are you gonna change the genomics of the sperm? how do you introduce a technologically superior spermatozoa into an egg and have it fertilize?

you realize how difficult it'd be to even pull that off. you'd have to rich twice over, with presumable more attempts than one, to pull that off. the best bet you know is with like fucking nanomachines, which is it's own ethical dilemma and also again WAY too expensive to even imagine...let alone the fact that we're talking science fiction here, i mean, in terms of the future, in terms of we're talking about something that cannot be done yet. :shrug:

and then there are the difficulties that Psi postulated earlier in the thread, which was duly ignored.

how do you wrap all that up in a neat little bow?

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TailoredVibez said:
You are severely misinformed.



dude i think he pretty much was in agreement with you there.

but lovely information, though, thanks for givin us that valuable history. really. thanks.




My bad, got wrapped up in frustration. It's all true though, every bit of it.

P.S. about that gene manipulation thing, i'm pretty sure designer babies is a thing...but don't quote me on that.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: koods]
    #22456055 - 10/30/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
Eugenics is just as much about making sure the wrong people don't breed as it is about making sure the right people do.




- Adolf Hitler


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Hebrews 11:3
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Re: Eugenics [Re: Shiithead]
    #22456066 - 10/30/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: Shiithead]
    #22456071 - 10/30/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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TailoredVibez said:

My bad, got wrapped up in frustration. It's all true though, every bit of it.

P.S. about that gene manipulation thing, i'm pretty sure designer babies is a thing...but don't quote me on that.



yes, which is perfectly fine...you want to see information on applicants for sperm donation? that's WAY different, though, eh? :fonda:

but yep, you're correct. BTW +1

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Shiithead said:
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koods said:
Eugenics is just as much about making sure the wrong people don't breed as it is about making sure the right people do.




- Adolf Hitler




*unable to recognize facetiousness*

let's face it, Shitthead, other posters are just more fastidious than you.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22456082 - 10/30/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I thought that koods was being serious, no?


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Re: Eugenics [Re: psi]
    #22456100 - 10/30/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

he was making a point. he wasn't suggesting that what he said there was what he believed should be the case.

he was pointing out the inherent dangerousness of the Eugenicist's dilemma. at least, i'm pretty sure.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22456120 - 10/30/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It's hard to tell sometimes on here. I took his comments as being in support of eugenics though. I thought I remembered him saying similar on other threads as well.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: psi]
    #22456122 - 10/30/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

other people wish they could genetically eliminate what they don't like...koods is suggesting that if he was in favor of Eugenics, that'd it be conservatives he'd get rid of, diametrically opposed to the usual person in favor of such tactics such as Eugenics to rid the world of whom they find as troublesome.

:tongue: or something like that.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: psi]
    #22456124 - 10/30/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

DMT seems to think eugenics is all about beautiful people making babies but in reality it's also about making sure "undesirables" don't spread their inferior genes.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: koods]
    #22456132 - 10/30/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
DMT seems to think eugenics is all about beautiful people making babies but in reality it's also about making sure "undesirables" don't spread their inferior genes.




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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: Shiithead]
    #22456134 - 10/30/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

because love's got nothin' to do with it.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22456140 - 10/30/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Mutts are always the best dogs.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: koods]
    #22456144 - 10/30/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

filled with voiceless epiphanies.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22458725 - 10/31/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Not arguing about how long it will take for designer babies to really be realistic. But why the fuck do you guys have the right to tell two parents that they can't..assuming this were possible at the time..have designer babies if they wanted to? It would be their bodies and their babies RIGHT?


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That makes the heart's eye cry
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