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MagicalOrangutan said: I usually think "being able to prevent our children from having down syndrome or being ugly" when I think of eugenics. Not "creating a monotonous superior race". But of course the retarded motherfuckers among us will turn it into that and assume that's what we mean when actually maybe we just want to make sure our kids don't havhave the same genetic FLAWS that we personally have
Your genetic flaws get passed down to your kids. That's how genetics works
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D.M.T said: People would rather obese fucks breed with obese fucks "because that's who they love" to make more obese women than making better partner selection. My guess is they must have better luck scoring with the obese women, so if they gotta have a fatty with poor genes then society should too.
maybe in America you have a huge obesity problem...but the rest of the world don't really see too many societal problems with "fatties".
so whatever nutbar.
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MagicalOrangutan said: I usually think "being able to prevent our children from having down syndrome or being ugly" when I think of eugenics. Not "creating a monotonous superior race". But of course the retarded motherfuckers among us will turn it into that and assume that's what we mean when actually maybe we just want to make sure our kids don't havhave the same genetic FLAWS that we personally have
absolutely shallow. you realize there's no fucking way to do what you've just proposed? to alter the society at large in the way you wish to would actually involve sterilizing people with down-syndrome.
way to think, no brain. 
no but seriously, your idea is stupid as shit.
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D.M.T said: Eugenics should be practiced more often, but any time you say that you get people bringing up irrelevant shit like Aryans and racism...
no. Eugenics is a very specific think that is essentially racist. gee, i thought the shroomery was about very specific dictionary definitions.
well, Eugenics specifies that certain people, whom are naturally flawed (as people are again SEE SHROOMERY), that they get stopped from reproducing.
freedom in the US, right? that's important, no? or is all that a blatant lie?
That isn't racism. It's producing a better offspring than you'd make with Betty by mating with Roberta.
I don't think better gene selection should be state-mandated or anything. I think it should be encouraged. Big difference.
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D.M.T said: People would rather obese fucks breed with obese fucks "because that's who they love" to make more obese women than making better partner selection. My guess is they must have better luck scoring with the obese women, so if they gotta have a fatty with poor genes then society should too.
maybe in America you have a huge obesity problem...but the rest of the world don't really see too many societal problems with "fatties".
so whatever nutbar.
Not only is that false, but it's getting more false by the day. Obesity is certainly a worldwide epidemic.
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Re: Eugenics [Re: D.M.T]
#22455797 - 10/30/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh i see what you're saying, you mean, "don't fuck Wendy, she's fucking no tits and kind of a horse face; no, go for Rebecca, she's sweet and hot, and pretty smart."
oh ok, gotchya.
but like i said; Eugenics, very specific definitions, (i thought that was a rule here, very specific definitions...oh but when it comes to something that matters, oh nevermind all that, lets change the definition)
(can't use words differently then what is expected but when it comes to entire ideologies, go right the fuck ahead and make up whatever definition you want. oh shroomery), i thought Eugenics meant, forced sterilization, genetic predispositions stopped dead in their tracks so that they do not quote un quote "infect" the rest of a "healthy society"?
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Not only is that false, but it's getting more false by the day. Obesity is certainly a worldwide epidemic.
yeah, it's an "epidemic" as in a health concern. not an "epidemic" as in a fucking want for sexier looking breeding.
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I think the world would be much better if conservatives were prevented from passing their inferior genes on to another generation.
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Eugenics: the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.
-- Nothing about that suggests force.
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Re: Eugenics [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said: Eugenics should be practiced more often, but any time you say that you get people bringing up irrelevant shit like Aryans and racism...
no. Eugenics is a very specific think that is essentially racist. gee, i thought the shroomery was about very specific dictionary definitions.
well, Eugenics specifies that certain people, whom are naturally flawed (as people are again SEE SHROOMERY), that they get stopped from reproducing.
freedom in the US, right? that's important, no? or is all that a blatant lie?
That isn't racism. It's producing a better offspring than you'd make with Betty by mating with Roberta.
I don't think better gene selection should be state-mandated or anything. I think it should be encouraged. Big difference.
better gene selection and eugenics are two very different things. eugenics might as well be genocide.
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Edited by TailoredVibez (10/30/15 10:10 PM)
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Re: Eugenics [Re: koods]
#22455813 - 10/30/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: I think the world would be much better if conservatives were prevented from passing their inferior genes on to another generation.
So you're in support of eugenics too.
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Re: Eugenics [Re: koods]
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koods said: I think the world would be much better if conservatives were prevented from passing their inferior genes on to another generation.
How would you explain Ron Reagan JR?
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Re: Eugenics [Re: koods]
#22455825 - 10/30/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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conservatives are fine.
republicans...ehhh, i dunno if they've ever been able to think past their empty rhetoric and old adage of misapprehending the concept of truth, freedom ect ect
solo nation's under individual government, pooled together to presume the world works in one very narrow aspect of recovering 18th, 17th, 16th, century ways of life, expulsion of technology and of economic growth, and a willingness to serve only their own agenda while subjugating everyone else.
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koods said: I think the world would be much better if conservatives were prevented from passing their inferior genes on to another generation.
So you're in support of eugenics too. 
oh look at that. caught red handed. you, i mean, caught red handed.
way to contradict yourself. it's not by force oh no...but hey, there ya go, you agree that what koods is suggesting is Eugenics, by definition.
hypocrite.
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D.M.T said: Eugenics should be practiced more often, but any time you say that you get people bringing up irrelevant shit like Aryans and racism...
no. Eugenics is a very specific think that is essentially racist. gee, i thought the shroomery was about very specific dictionary definitions.
well, Eugenics specifies that certain people, whom are naturally flawed (as people are again SEE SHROOMERY), that they get stopped from reproducing.
freedom in the US, right? that's important, no? or is all that a blatant lie?
That isn't racism. It's producing a better offspring than you'd make with Betty by mating with Roberta.
I don't think better gene selection should be state-mandated or anything. I think it should be encouraged. Big difference.
better gene selection and eugenics are two very different things. eugenics might as well be genocide.
The work of Francis Galton has nothing to do with genocide and everything to do with creating a better family unit. He created the idea of eugenics, and it is in fact simply better gene selection.
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Re: Eugenics [Re: D.M.T]
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the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics.
not a science...an ideology. there is nothing scientific about his proposal.
controlled breeding? what, you mean in a fucking lab? have you ever read an ethical guideline, by any chance, in your life?
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Controlled breeding does not mean a lab. It means by controlling who you're breeding with by their traits.
I just quoted the dictionary definition, so bring it up with them if you think you have a more accurate one.
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Akura I seriously want to murder you for pissing me off. Gimme an address I fucking dare you.
And what I meant was making sure that AN INDIVIDUAL doesn't pass their genetic flaws to their offspring. Why the fuck is that impossible even with genetic engineering? Not talking about an entire race being uniformly cleansed from a genetic flaws
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#22455870 - 10/30/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: Eugenics: the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.
-- Nothing about that suggests force.
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D.M.T said: Controlled breeding does not mean a lab. It means by controlling who you're breeding with by their traits.
I just quoted the dictionary definition, so bring it up with them if you think you have a more accurate one.
No. It means controlling who gets to breed. You just said not allowing conservatives to breed is eugenics.
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Re: Eugenics [Re: D.M.T]
#22455875 - 10/30/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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are you fucking serious? do you even know who galton was or are you just reading wikipedia articles? he was a lapdog of the british establishment, knee deep in the sciences of social control.
i suppose you're a fan of margaret sanger too?
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I think it's generally a wrong-minded approach (even if you ignore the "forcing it on people against their will" aspect to some well-known past implementations.) I don't believe that an editorial board style approach to reducing genetic diversity would be making our species stronger anyway. Even genes that appear "bad" to us now may eventually be modified through mutation into something we would have thought was "good." There really is no way to foresee every possible way that a gene could transform into a useful one in the future, and IMO believing otherwise is arrogant and unscientific.
For an extreme example look at cheetahs. They have "the best" genes in the sense that they are really really good at some task (chasing animals down at high speed.) They are also incredibly inbred because of a past extreme bottleneck where only a handful of individuals survived. The genes that they lost in that near-extinction event are unrecoverable, and they likely will go extinct before achieving a similar degree of genetic diversity again by random mutation.
Let's assume that cheetahs do not go extinct though, and that the process to recovery is overseen by some editorial board who ensures the removal of every "bad" gene that arises through random mutation (the vast majority of mutated genes.) This pre-emptive "help" actually is preventing the later creation of "good" genes from that pool of diversity consisting of "bad" ones. And that's why I think the idea that reducing our gene pool in order to "improve" our species is idiotic and short-sighted.
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MagicalOrangutan said: Akura I seriously want to murder you for pissing me off. Gimme an address I fucking dare you.
And what I meant was making sure that AN INDIVIDUAL doesn't pass their genetic flaws to their offspring. Why the fuck is that impossible even with genetic engineering? Not talking about an entire race being uniformly cleansed from a genetic flaws you fucking retard
threatening me with an actual accusation that you'll murder me? nice.
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PS: what you're suggesting is impossible. sperm then ovum then genes.
you can't splice into that and change anything before the specimen (in this case) is already in development in the womb. retard.
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I'm talking about altering genomes in the sperm and eggs beforehand. And there's no possibility that technology can ever decrease the uncertainty that everything will "go right" when the sperm and egg genomes are creating a new genome? Technology will never be able to increase the stability of this process? I think that is quite narrow minded quite frankly!
And you are arguing with a mentally unstable person to completely honest. I'm over my rage already
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