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Re: Head of House [Re: koods]
    #22461301 - 11/01/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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And yet he still doesn't say that there isn't a point in investigating the Universe's origin. Your reading comprehension skills are really on full display in the past couple of posts.




My reading comprehension is fine. The head of the house science committee says he will reject any science that conflicts with his religious beliefs as "lies from the pits of hell."

Aren't you in college? You used to be a lot brighter.





so he's taking the same stance as the IPCC and the current head of the
house science committee, the rejection of any science that doesnt fit
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Re: Head of House [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22461341 - 11/01/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Without science, we would have almost no medicines or drugs, your life expectancy would be 30 and you wouldn't have a computer or Internet to say stupid things.




science doesn't get to claim every advancement in human history buddy.  Some of it is just smart people being smart and figuering shit out:cookiemonster:





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Re: Head of House [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22461623 - 11/01/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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turmeric and soursop cure cancer and 900% of the illnesses we know of today, if you
cant be cured with those, organic apple cider vinegar and baking soda work well
but of course, chemtrails, global warming, monsanto, alien visitation and
abductions, crop circles, jet fuel cant melt steel beams




I would love to hear your opinion on South American shamanic tribes using psychotropics to communicate with plant spirits, who in turn told them of other plants to use for not only spiritual but also practical purposes. Realism doesn't have to be the negation of imagination, y'kno.


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Re: Head of House [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #22461625 - 11/01/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Agreed, the guy sounds straight retarded.



Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God...

Yes, its foolish to not believe in a creator because by simply looking around is evidence everywhere of things and people who were all created. But this is a modern deception, related to the communist ideology of worshipping the state. The communist wants the state to take the place of God in the lives and hearts of people, to be a comforting big brother always there for your needs and wants. Its a shame, buts its becoming really common here.




or you can look at god from the perspective of anselm, the archbishop of canterbury, who argues that because god is incorrigibly real - real in the sense that god is an idea; ideas are real in a certain sense, therefore the idea of god is real in that same sense - it does not follow to disbelieve in god, and only a fool would reject the reality of god. the question then is not whether or not god is real, but rather if he is absolutely real, existent in every category of being, beyond the incorrigible realm. and what follows from that - for me at least - is whether or not that distinction is actually important.

medieval theology aside, it doesn't seem to me that there is some grand, sinister conspiracy to replace science with religion. as i've mentioned, i think it's more that some scientists are prone to misapprehend religion by analyzing it in scientific terms. likewise, some extremely devout religious people are prone to misapprehend science by analyzing it in terms of their own religious traditions. both cases seem to be matters of ignorance. besides, there are many scientists who have reconciled their faith with their work. it's really not that difficult to do if you understand the two are separate areas of human concern, at least in practice.

but the appointment of anyone who is so blatantly hostile towards science ought to be deeply troublesome to anyone who cares about it. i certainly do. science cannot solve all of our problems, and it cannot answer all of our questions, but its methods and practitioners are highly valuable, especially when we're at such a crucial point in human history where science can provide solutions to some very real and very scary problems we're going to soon be facing.


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Re: Head of House [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22464047 - 11/01/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
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Without science, we would have almost no medicines or drugs, your life expectancy would be 30 and you wouldn't have a computer or Internet to say stupid things.




science doesn't get to claim every advancement in human history buddy.  Some of it is just smart people being smart and figuering shit out:cookiemonster:





turmeric and soursop cure cancer and 900% of the illnesses we know of today, if you
cant be cured with those, organic apple cider vinegar and baking soda work well
but of course, chemtrails, global warming, monsanto, alien visitation and
abductions, crop circles, jet fuel cant melt steel beams





i guess you find the wheel, fire, ect ect to not be very important?  science had nothing to do with those discoverys.  99% of the shit people think science is responsible for its not.  If they didn't sit down and create a theory about it first, science really isn't responsible for it in my book, maybe a few exceptions to that rule but overall there's a huge difference between a science geek using theorys, and some dude in a corn field rolling rocks around and learned the round ones rolled better.  It goes much much further than that obviously but anyways im sure science trys to claim everything but that is very incorrect in my book.  Humans came a very long way without it, even after they developed scientific theorys alot is still learned and discovered by people who havn't even used it before.  Science trying to claim trial and error all for itself, no just no.  Religion used trial and error long before science was ever defined, so if it belongs to anybody it belongs to religion.


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Re: Head of House [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22464069 - 11/01/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

science doesnt have to start with a hypothesis, model or theory, discoveries can be
purely accidental but it doesnt change the fact that there is still science behind it
we use science to explain those things we knew about but didnt previously know the
methods by which they worked at their discovery/invention


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Re: Head of House [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22464805 - 11/01/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

right but science acts like it had something, anything at all, to do with shit that it wasn't even around for.  Its like saying hey there's this new thing called magic, and it explains every invention, religion, everything mankind has ever done, and now that i named it, this magic stuff gets to claim all those previous things for itself, it takes full credit for it all!

doesn't make sense bro, just doesn't.  you're defending it, by saying "science says".....blah blah blah you don't defend it by pointing out what science says.......magic says it explains everything thats totally why magic gets to claim everything it wasn't even around for:cookiemonster:


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Re: Head of House [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22464828 - 11/01/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

the other point that i was getting at is science defined something that humans do regardless.  People were figuering shit out long before 'science'.  Some dude comes along, defines what were already doing with a word and then claims all inventions under said name, then takes it a step further and lumps 'science' in with basically a religion that says you can only study such and such, and then all future science needs to meet certain rules except all the shit we learned in the past wasn't based on those rules.  its been turned into a god dam religion and just like religions its filled with corruption and bullshit. Then, when people talk about science they talk about it in such a way that its something seperate, like something you have to learn and study and something so special and different than religion.


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Re: Head of House [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22465003 - 11/01/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You don't get it


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Re: Head of House [Re: koods] * 1
    #22465010 - 11/01/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

you don't even deserve to be in this thread when you refuse to put your beliefs on the table.  You're more scared of your scientific beliefs getting shook than u are of guns:cookiemonster:


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Re: Head of House [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22465021 - 11/01/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

My beliefs are irrelevant, except that my belief that someone who believes that the bible is the user manual for planet earth should not be the head of the science committee.


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Re: Head of House [Re: koods] * 1
    #22465034 - 11/02/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

his personal belief shouldn't matter, all that matters is his ability to seperate his personal beliefs from his job, do you happen to know his ability in that area?

Im sure you have no problem with a gay couple raising straight kids?  By your same logic you should fear them being parents to straight kids, since im of the belief that children are more important to society than a science committee


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Re: Head of House [Re: koods]
    #22465041 - 11/02/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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My beliefs are irrelevant,



OK

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except that my belief that...



OK

:sherlock:

So let me get this straight, because I'm a little bit confused. Your beliefs are irrelevant. Got it! Except that your opinions are relevant? And especially relevant to how other people and national governments should behave?


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Re: Head of House [Re: koods]
    #22465244 - 11/02/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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And yet he still doesn't say that there isn't a point in investigating the Universe's origin. Your reading comprehension skills are really on full display in the past couple of posts.




My reading comprehension is fine. The head of the house science committee says he will reject any science that conflicts with his religious beliefs as "lies from the pits of hell."

Aren't you in college? You used to be a lot brighter.



And anyone who thinks the earth is 9000 years old has to believe that carbon dating is fraud.

I have to wonder how far Broun would go -- DNA, atomic energy, space travel -- all lies from the pit of hell?


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Re: Head of House [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #22465253 - 11/02/15 02:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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And yet he still doesn't say that there isn't a point in investigating the Universe's origin. Your reading comprehension skills are really on full display in the past couple of posts.



He doesn't koods is dumb. The point is having this guy as head of the science committee is like having an attorney general who never went to law school or having a defense secretary who doesn't believe ISIS exists. Patently unprepared and unfit for the job



Koods isn't dumb - but the rest of your post is "spot on".

I'd add -- it's like having an atheist appointed Pope.

(Not that I think that's a bad idea.)


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Re: Head of House [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22465264 - 11/02/15 02:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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:facepalm:

Without science, we would have almost no medicines or drugs, your life expectancy would be 30 and you wouldn't have a computer or Internet to say stupid things.




science doesn't get to claim every advancement in human history buddy.  Some of it is just smart people being smart and figuering shit out:cookiemonster:



No - actually -- smart people figuring shit out is called "waste removal science".


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Re: Head of House [Re: endogenous]
    #22465593 - 11/02/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Nice discussion, but isn't it a tad worrying that the scientiffic powerhouse of the 20th century has fallen like this?


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Re: Head of House [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22465709 - 11/02/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It's amazing that so many of you guys are struggling with the idea of a separation between church and state. Koods' beliefs, i.e. his Religious beliefs, are irrelevant because this is about putting a guy in a position of power over our scientific developments who knows even less about science than most of you seem to. What this idiot believes about the beginning of the universe does matter... because he can't separate it from what he needs to believe about the nature of the universe now to competently do his job, and that is going to fuck up the world. Putting this guy in that position is like asking the Amish to build a website for you.

To all of you guys who are defending this politician's appointment, what educational backgrounds do you have? I'm getting the feeling that there's a lot of residual butthurt in the air from suffering through high school chemistry or something. It seems like lots of you are having trouble understanding the basics of what "the head of the Science Investigations and Oversight Committee" is expected to do. I'll give you a hint. Belligerently denying evolution and basic geological discoveries are all good indicators of complete incompetence for the position. You guys sound like you'd trust an airplane designer who didn't believe in gravity if he quoted the bible. People's beliefs matter if they affect their ability to do their job, and this is one of the cases where that's going to happen. This isn't about your church fairy-tales or anybody's religion, and it's completely vain to try to make it about religion. It's about this politician enforcing his belief in bunk science on a committee that's supposed to prevent that from happening.


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Re: Head of House [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #22465728 - 11/02/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Take away all the politics, the grandstanding, the religious influences and the your-side-my-side mentality, and what it boils down to is that an incompetent has been put in a place he has no business being.

Or is that just me?


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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22465739 - 11/02/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Science is a modern religion that requires far more faith than any of the others, and is full of more deluded zealots than all the others combined.


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