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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: koods]
#22457859 - 10/31/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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While hilarious, your assumptions are wrong. Of course I'm more socially libertarian then authoritarian, but what you may be surprised at is that I score economically left as well.
No answer? I thought someone that denies dissenting theories so smugly would at least have a firm grasp on their own opinion.
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Re: Head of House [Re: koods]
#22457872 - 10/31/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Even if scientific theories start as a guess, they still have to predict something and not be falsifiable. That's a pretty good guess.
religion predicts things to, like jesus coming back and you going to hell, i guess that makes them good guesses too
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Perfect example of terrible guesses. Christians have been predicting Jesus's return for centuries and they are always wrong
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Mr.GuessWork said: You should read the essay I posted.
Scientific explanations meet much stricter requirements than religious explanations, and as a result, they're much more useful for non-masturbatory predictions and planning efforts. Religious explanations are based on common mythologies and there is absolutely no need for them to be consistent with observable reality, even though many poorly educated people expect that to be the case. Scientific explanations need to make testable predictions that are consistent with a commonly observable reality, and they have to be agreed upon by a collection of people who have put in a dedicated effort to test and falsify those predictions. Even explanations of things like the beginning of the universe, which there is a lot of debate about BTW, are based on arguments that are derived from our current evidence-based understanding of the world around us. Even if those arguments are weak, they're still leaps and bounds better than the ghost stories that are told in religious myths because they are open to the idea of being wrong and they're willing to acknowledge meaningful new information even though it means their conclusions are wrong and have to be dismissed. If anything you should be grateful that science has been wrong so often because that's how it gets better. Religious arguments have been bunk since the moment they were made and they will stay bunk for all of eternity. Truth emerges more readily from error than confusion, and anyone who can't see the value of an evidence based argument is too deeply confused to be right or wrong about the nature of the universe.
this is precisely where this conversation always becomes completely retarded. here we have people justifiably criticizing religious people for attempting to have a religious discussion about science, all while attempting to criticize religion from a scientific point of view. science and religion are two entirely different continents of human interest and ideas that are equally important and you can't judge one by the other's standards. this misunderstanding is the crux of this issue, and in this regard both sides are making the same mistake.
edit: by the way, i read the asimov. good stuff. i grew up reading him (my dad loves him, so i got to read what he had laying around).
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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: millzy]
#22457938 - 10/31/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Republicans are not serious people
neither are their voters. or at least ones who vote for people like paul broun.
The scary thing is that they ARE serious. They are just wrong. This applies to liberals too though.
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Re: Head of House [Re: koods]
#22457974 - 10/31/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Perfect example of terrible guesses. Christians have been predicting Jesus's return for centuries and they are always wrong
People laughed at Noah building his ark on dry land for 400 years. Until it started to rain. God in his mercy will take his time to deal justice to the wicked. Right now, the martyrs of Jesus cry out constantly from the throne of Our Father in heaven, yet he spares the Earth for the sake of His saints who have not been martyred yet.
Revelation 6: 9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Fear God. For when His justice is poured out on the Earth His wrath and righteous judgments will destroy everything you hold dear, even in an instant.
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Why would I want to follow a god that wants me to "fear" him?
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Re: Head of House [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22457995 - 10/31/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: Why would I want to follow a god that wants me to "fear" him?
Says the guy with the kali decapitating mens heads avatar.
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I'm laughing at you for believing such a ridiculous story.
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"10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? "
yea sounds like blood thirsty Christians.
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4HO-DMT said: Why would I want to follow a god that wants me to "fear" him?
Says the guy with the kali decapitating mens heads avatar. 
Yep, it is symbolic for killing the ego.
Back to the fear thing. Look how well it has worked for the federal government. Nixon wanted to instill fear in people who used drugs by throwing them in jail. Yet it did nothing to stop folks from using drugs. 45 years later and the US is the prime consumer of drugs in the world. And, most of those people that use drugs hold nothing but contempt for the feds. I sea a vengeful god in the same way as I view the feds.
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Re: Head of House [Re: koods]
#22458024 - 10/31/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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christianity's "predictions" are not really predictions. they're part of a jewish tradition known as apocalypticism. it's essentially jewish anti-roman propaganda. likewise, the christ myth is roman anti-semitic propaganda.
i think augustine of hippo's interpretation of revelations is the most useful; he says it's an allegory of the story of man's salvation. interesting thinker that augustine.
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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: 4HO-DMT] 2
#22458028 - 10/31/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: just because a bunch of people in a room agree that its a good guess doesn't mean its not still just a guess. Its also just as bad as religion because science will never take into consideration of a 'god' or greater being, being behind it. If they can't even consider it that means its not truely considering everything...the same thing people fault religion with, not considering science aka the whole picture. there's room for both
There's not room for both in the head of the Science Investigations and Oversight Committee. And being right and wrong might actually matter in that Commitee. Think "hey tech support guy, my computer won't do anything and it smells like smoke.", but on a much larger scale. Do you want that guy to respond with "That's the way god made it, sir. Have a nice day and thanks for your business."?
Since liberalism somehow got dragged into this silliness, I remember watching Bill Mayer's movie Religolous, which was mostly just a bunch of religious nutters willingly ranting about their crazy beliefs on camera. But the best interview on there was with an astronomer from the Vatican (I think he was a jesuit, which is one of the better educated branches of catholic priests). He layed out the difference between science and religion nicely, and he didn't have any trouble seeing a need to distinguish between the two of them. Hell, I remember reading about a medieval monk who did a lot of writing about the need to make a clear separation between faith and reason. I'm somewhat amused to see that so many half-assed church-goers today can't seem to do what a guy who lived in a monastery could do over a thousand years ago. Lots of people seem to really suck at being religious and at being scientific when they've got ample resources to do both. If you're a christian that can't separate science from the bible and see the value of both, then you should admit you're a bad scientist and a bad christian, because people suffer when the two can't be separated. There's more than one book that's worth reading.
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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
#22458039 - 10/31/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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the jesuits are supreme bad asses. descartes was a jesuit.
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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: millzy]
#22458075 - 10/31/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is a really good point about separating science and religion. After all, there is room for both. And, humans get a great deal of benefit from both of them.
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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: millzy]
#22458178 - 10/31/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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millzy said: the jesuits are supreme bad asses. descartes was a jesuit.
I just watched the exorcist last night. Nice Jesuit movie.
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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: koods]
#22458187 - 10/31/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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was caras a jesuit? been awhile since i've seen that.
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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: millzy]
#22458195 - 10/31/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah Georgetown U is a Jesuit school
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Re: Head of House [Re: koods] 2
#22458374 - 10/31/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: I'm laughing at you for believing such a ridiculous story.

I'm laughing at you for smugly tearing down others for their beliefs without admitting your own beliefs.
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I think my beliefs are pretty clear.
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