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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: FrozenHappiness] * 1
    #22456922 - 10/31/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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We didn't evolve FROM monkeys. We share a common ancestor WITH monkeys. You obviously don't evolution, bro.



Oh I knows how to evolution... Just don't know how to sarcasm on the shroomery effectively.


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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: billy jowl]
    #22456927 - 10/31/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Laid it on a little too thick aye?  The sad thing is it seemed completely in line with evolution deniers reasoning.


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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: DieCommie]
    #22456950 - 10/31/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, yes I believe I did. Crazy trying to be outlandish as possible, and end up actually sounding like a big portion of the population:facepalm:
I believe we may all be doomed..


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Re: Head of House [Re: billy jowl]
    #22456958 - 10/31/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well that means i've spent all this time making familiy visits with blue green algae and monkies for nothing!


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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: billy jowl]
    #22456977 - 10/31/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh I knows how to evolution... Just don't know how to sarcasm on the shroomery effectively.




Ha! My bad. Apparently I don't knows how to sarcasm either

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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: millzy]
    #22456980 - 10/31/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Republicans are not serious people




neither are their voters. or at least ones who vote for people like paul broun.




Democrats are not smart people.  Nor are their voters, at least the ones who voted a man into office who thinks the  Whole Universe Revolves around himself.

You see, it works both ways.


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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #22457050 - 10/31/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Republicans are not serious people




neither are their voters. or at least ones who vote for people like paul broun.




Democrats are not smart people.  Nor are their voters, at least the ones who voted a man into office who thinks the  Whole Universe Revolves around himself.

You see, it works both ways.




it doesn't really work both ways. for one, i said republican voters who fall for the evolution/climate change/science denial line of rhetoric aren't smart people. it seems to be a given that anyone who distrusts widely accepted scientific theories is pretty basic. there are pro-science republicans.

and i really don't know what you mean about the president. but it's well established that you aren't interested in seriously discussing politics though so it's whatevs. :shrug:


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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: millzy]
    #22457137 - 10/31/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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henceforth you are basically playing semantics




I'm needling you on a technicality.  What you should take from this is that scientific theorems, principles and theories are subtle and complicated.  Believers will take a complicated idea with subtleties, like conservation of mass or thermodynamics, they will bastardize the pop-version of it and then use that in an attempt to refute a similarly bastardized principle that conflicts with their world view.  In the end all they have done is make shit up that doesn't make sense, point out that it doesn't make sense and then declare their precious self-serving worldview vindicated.  All the while they do this while using technology and medicine that was engineered under the very principles they deny.





This was a beautiful post. That point has been made loads of times by lots of different people, but I've never seen it done so nicely in a single paragraph. It almost brought a tear to my eye.



Here's a decent attempt at the same kind of explanation for makaveli,

http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

Issac Asimov wrote it when one of his English-major students was making the same kind of lazy complaints.


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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #22457153 - 10/31/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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That point has been made loads of times by lots of different people, but I've never seen it done so nicely in a single paragraph.




and i bookmarked that asimov essay. :mushroom2:


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Re: Head of House [Re: DieCommie]
    #22457671 - 10/31/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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incorrect, matter is a form of mass.  henceforth you are basically playing semantics and failed ontop of picking such a mundane point to argue on the broad topic presented.




So wikipedia is a source you trust when you want to make a point, but then when I quote it you claim its incorrect...  Matter is ill defined.  It has no strict scientific definition.  It a non-scientific descriptor used by laypersons.  Mass is well defined and conserved in closed systems.  The idea that it is conserved is supported by observations and also by theory relativity and Noether's theorem.  Matter is not necessarily conserved in closed systems.




no you said matter isn't mass, which is like saying an egg isn't protein, or vice versa to make you happy.

Anyways this is the typical attitude of science beibers.  Instead of arguing the point, you instead try to hide behind fancy definitions again negating the fact that its all best guesses including those definitions themselves.

Real simple question for you, if it wasn't for the law that says matter, or for you, mass, can't be created or destroyed, if that little law didn't exist.  Then we find out about blackholes, do you really think we would see it destroying stars and say....oh well that star its totally just you know inside that black hole?  It just kinda dispears yo but its  still there perfectly fine, maybe in pieces but u know doin wonderful?

Any logical or rational person with critical thinking skills wouldn't automatically assume its there just in fairy land.  so what happened to science when it came to black holes?  what happened to facts?  Fact is we have zero evidence to suggest that any of the matter/mass that entered that blackhole still exists, its nowhere to be seen, entire planets and solar systems just gone.  Not a single trace of evidence pointing towards any of it still existing.

That is the problem with science, they cling to old laws and try to keep them around as long as they can to try and make science seem more real and less wrong, they shun any new ideas like a religion would.  Then every once in a while when they can't do that any longer they will quietly edit a law to the next best guess.  Yet there are still a few willing to risk everything to do it, which is why we get theorys about computer simulation ect.  If science was so rock hard, that theory wouldn't exist, nor the countless others. 

The fact that there are so many theorys is proof that science doesn't know, which is my underlining point, its all guesses.  You can't touch my main point, thats why you dance around it with bullshit definitions to hide behind.


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Re: Head of House [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22457683 - 10/31/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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no you said matter isn't mass, which is like saying an egg isn't protein, or vice versa to make you happy.



Matter has mass, which is like saying an egg has protein. Mass is a property of matter.


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Re: Head of House [Re: koods]
    #22457714 - 10/31/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

hence the "vice versa", if thats all you took away from that entire paragraph, then ill just accept that you're a troll, and have no defense to the main topic which was my belief from the beginning.  you can't defend a guess.  but you try and make religions do it.  you're just hypocrites.


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Re: Head of House [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22457765 - 10/31/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You should read the essay I posted.

Scientific explanations meet much stricter requirements than religious explanations, and as a result, they're much more useful for non-masturbatory predictions and planning efforts. Religious explanations are based on common mythologies and there is absolutely no need for them to be consistent with observable reality, even though many poorly educated people expect that to be the case. Scientific explanations need to make testable predictions that are consistent with a commonly observable reality, and they have to be agreed upon by a collection of people who have put in a dedicated effort to test and falsify those predictions. Even explanations of things like the beginning of the universe, which there is a lot of debate about BTW, are based on arguments that are derived from our current evidence-based understanding of the world around us. Even if those arguments are weak, they're still leaps and bounds better than the ghost stories that are told in religious myths because they are open to the idea of being wrong and they're willing to acknowledge meaningful new information even though it means their conclusions are wrong and have to be dismissed. If anything you should be grateful that science has been wrong so often because that's how it gets better. Religious arguments have been bunk since the moment they were made and they will stay bunk for all of eternity. Truth emerges more readily from error than confusion, and anyone who can't see the value of an evidence based argument is too deeply confused to be right or wrong about the nature of the universe.


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Re: Head of House [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #22457777 - 10/31/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

just because a bunch of people in a room agree that its a good guess doesn't mean its not still just a guess.  Its also just as bad as religion because science will never take into consideration of a 'god' or greater being, being behind it.  If they can't even consider it that means its not truely considering everything...the same thing people fault religion with, not considering science aka the whole picture.  there's room for both


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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: koods]
    #22457800 - 10/31/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Republicans are not serious people



How did the universe come to be


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Re: Head of House [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22457806 - 10/31/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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just because a bunch of people in a room agree that its a good guess doesn't mean its not still just a guess.  Its also just as bad as religion because science will never take into consideration of a 'god' or greater being, being behind it.  If they can't even consider it that means its not truely considering everything...the same thing people fault religion with, not considering science aka the whole picture.  there's room for both




Even if scientific theories start as a guess, they still have to predict something and not be falsifiable. That's a pretty good guess.


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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: Webster10]
    #22457807 - 10/31/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Republicans are not serious people



How did the universe come to be




Thank you for proving my point.


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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: koods]
    #22457817 - 10/31/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Republicans are not serious people



How did the universe come to be




Thank you for proving my point.



Someone's butthurt. No answer? Btw I score on the liberal side. I'm just not a retarded bleeding heart.


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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: Webster10]
    #22457828 - 10/31/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

We don't want you


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Re: Head of House "Science" Committee Appointed Evolution Denier to Head Science Investigations [Re: koods] * 1
    #22457841 - 10/31/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You are a an extreme libertarian, which is just another word for selfish misanthrope.


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