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Malcolm_Xtasy
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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: MoxyOx] 3
#22453248 - 10/30/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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MoxyOx said: You are hurt that I questioned you. That is fine. You take what you need from this.
Dude I"m not hurt You just admitted you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
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I know where it is not, and what it is not.
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By finding what something is not, you figure out what it is by form.
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Or maybe, I do not know what I speak of
-------------------- I'm stupid, Enlil is smart. I'm ugly, Enlil is beautiful. I'm a loser, Enlil is a winner. Someday, I hope to be like Enlil but secretly know I never will.
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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: MoxyOx]
#22453249 - 10/30/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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As long as you can't do this you're not enlighted as shit
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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22453321 - 10/30/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sometimes planets align to have you at the perfect time and space. I've already spent so much time in trance. The well ran dry. Creative projects are a good use of my time.
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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: Love_spirit]
#22453538 - 10/30/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Definitely. I meditate everyday towards this goal
Looking for a teacher at the moment
-------------------- Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros... A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.

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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] 6
#22453566 - 10/30/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: An explanation of what you define enlightenment to be
"Enlightenment" is a form of intuition not easily communicated by language or science unless that language or science facilitates a realization of mutual experience. When your girlfriend is pissed you don't have to calculate the curvature of her eyebrows or define the characteristics that signal discontent. You simply know. Your evolutionary nature processes that entire reaction for you. You can break it down with science if you choose, identify the neurophysiological pathways involved in pattern recognition and stress signaling, write a book about it and try to define the experience... But it's better understood as a "gut" reaction. "Enlightenment" as well is like an intuitive parallel to science. It's an understanding of the nature of being, not by a communicable model, but by experience.
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very nice JacksonMetaller
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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22453584 - 10/30/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlightenment is fleeting. I've had it, but it inevitably slips through your fingers. If I want enlightenment back I'll just smoke some more dmt.
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Malcolm_Xtasy
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: An explanation of what you define enlightenment to be
"Enlightenment" is a form of intuition not easily communicated by language or science unless that language or science facilitates a realization of mutual experience. When your girlfriend is pissed you don't have to calculate the curvature of her eyebrows or define the characteristics that signal discontent. You simply know. Your evolutionary nature processes that entire reaction for you. You can break it down with science if you choose, identify the neurophysiological pathways involved in pattern recognition and stress signaling, write a book about it and try to define the experience... But it's better understood as a "gut" reaction. "Enlightenment" as well is like an intuitive parallel to science. It's an understanding of the nature of being, not by a communicable model, but by experience.
Right on man great explanation! I appreciate you not giving me a bunch of hippie bullshit!
-------------------- I'm stupid, Enlil is smart. I'm ugly, Enlil is beautiful. I'm a loser, Enlil is a winner. Someday, I hope to be like Enlil but secretly know I never will.
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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: highvibes]
#22453614 - 10/30/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe enlightenment is achieved at the moment of death. Or perhaps after.
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highvibes said: Enlightenment is fleeting. I've had it, but it inevitably slips through your fingers. If I want enlightenment back I'll just smoke some more dmt.
Have you ever heard the phrase: "There's a difference between doing psychedelics and thinking you're a better person, and doing them and actually becoming a better person" Throw that around in your noggin a bit. I half agree with Malcolm, half agree with the opposite. Most of the time I hate hearing cliche hippie shit that sounds straight out of the diary of a teenager who tried acid once. But, sometimes, it really makes you think. Enlightenment is different for everyone in my eyes. A person that believes to be enlightened may not be enlightened in another person's eyes. Depends on how concrete the definition of "enlightenment" is.
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: An explanation of what you define enlightenment to be
"Enlightenment" is a form of intuition not easily communicated by language or science unless that language or science facilitates a realization of mutual experience. When your girlfriend is pissed you don't have to calculate the curvature of her eyebrows or define the characteristics that signal discontent. You simply know. Your evolutionary nature processes that entire reaction for you. You can break it down with science if you choose, identify the neurophysiological pathways involved in pattern recognition and stress signaling, write a book about it and try to define the experience... But it's better understood as a "gut" reaction. "Enlightenment" as well is like an intuitive parallel to science. It's an understanding of the nature of being, not by a communicable model, but by experience.
Could that paragraph be distilled into "intuitive understanding"?
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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] 1
#22453724 - 10/30/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: An explanation of what you define enlightenment to be
"Enlightenment" is a form of intuition not easily communicated by language or science unless that language or science facilitates a realization of mutual experience. When your girlfriend is pissed you don't have to calculate the curvature of her eyebrows or define the characteristics that signal discontent. You simply know. Your evolutionary nature processes that entire reaction for you. You can break it down with science if you choose, identify the neurophysiological pathways involved in pattern recognition and stress signaling, write a book about it and try to define the experience... But it's better understood as a "gut" reaction. "Enlightenment" as well is like an intuitive parallel to science. It's an understanding of the nature of being, not by a communicable model, but by experience.
Right on man great explanation! I appreciate you not giving me a bunch of hippie bullshit!
It's not bullshit. Like my example above about science, it's just people trying to deliver you a message in a package you don't understand how to open. You understood my explanation because i delivered it in a different package. Same message however. People just communicate differently and it's understandable that we don't always get the intended message
Edit: I should say "a lot of it is not bullshit". I can't speak for every hippy you've talked to Only the ones i've been successful in communicating with.
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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: invitro] 1
#22453728 - 10/30/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe enlightenment to be a singular kind of 'perceiving' caused by a certain physiological state of the brain. Thats what people do when they meditate, cultivating the brain to achieve this state.
Actual mind over matter as the mind influences the medium of its own existence
-------------------- Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros... A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.

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Malcolm_Xtasy
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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: MoxyOx]
#22453753 - 10/30/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: An explanation of what you define enlightenment to be
"Enlightenment" is a form of intuition not easily communicated by language or science unless that language or science facilitates a realization of mutual experience. When your girlfriend is pissed you don't have to calculate the curvature of her eyebrows or define the characteristics that signal discontent. You simply know. Your evolutionary nature processes that entire reaction for you. You can break it down with science if you choose, identify the neurophysiological pathways involved in pattern recognition and stress signaling, write a book about it and try to define the experience... But it's better understood as a "gut" reaction. "Enlightenment" as well is like an intuitive parallel to science. It's an understanding of the nature of being, not by a communicable model, but by experience.
Right on man great explanation! I appreciate you not giving me a bunch of hippie bullshit!
It's not bullshit. Like my example above about science, it's just people trying to deliver you a message in a package you don't understand how to open. You understood my explanation because i delivered it in a different package. Same message however. People just communicate differently and it's understandable that we don't always get the intended message
Edit: I should say "a lot of it is not bullshit". I can't speak for every hippy you've talked to Only the ones i've been successful in communicating with.
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MoxyOx said: I know what enlightenment is not; but as to what it is, I am still learning. It is an internal search, a journey through the self.
Thinking for yourself is an efficient tool, but it is not enlightenment.
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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22453807 - 10/30/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was referring to this post
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MoxyOx said: I know what enlightenment is not; but as to what it is, I am still learning. It is an internal search, a journey through the self.
Thinking for yourself is an efficient tool, but it is not enlightenment.
To be fair though I feel there is some merit to his post. I can totally sympathize with the fact that it's vague nature is not appealing to the intellect of many individuals though.
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Malcolm_Xtasy
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Now you're just being overly accommodating
Regardless, great post man.
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: An explanation of what you define enlightenment to be
"Enlightenment" is a form of intuition not easily communicated by language or science unless that language or science facilitates a realization of mutual experience. When your girlfriend is pissed you don't have to calculate the curvature of her eyebrows or define the characteristics that signal discontent. You simply know. Your evolutionary nature processes that entire reaction for you. You can break it down with science if you choose, identify the neurophysiological pathways involved in pattern recognition and stress signaling, write a book about it and try to define the experience... But it's better understood as a "gut" reaction. "Enlightenment" as well is like an intuitive parallel to science. It's an understanding of the nature of being, not by a communicable model, but by experience.
The way you explain it still makes it sound like something that is subjective and by it's very nature it would be inherently different for everyone, because everyone experiences and interprets situations differently making them draw different conclusions even if the end goal was the same. I realize it's something that can't be put into words or a straight forward definition as you said, but with the way you explained (which was very intelligible btw, never saw someone explain it so well TBH) sounds like you can only be enlightened towards certain areas of your life based off the things you experienced and not something such as the OP suggested meaning "(nirvana, awakening, transcendence, ascension, liberation etc)" or enlightenment as a whole.
It would be impossible IMO for one human being to have an understanding of the nature of being simply because our brains and being are not designed to even comprehend the entirety of being or existence as a whole and we simply don't live long enough to be able to understand it fully especially if it is something based off experience. I'm not trying to disprove what you said and maybe this is what you meant, you just seem the most knowledgeable or able to provide the best explanations for a confusing topic so I'm directing it your way so please don't attack me like I'm trying to be a dick about it
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You can see the path but until you walk the path you will never be as enlightened as me
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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: nice1returns]
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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22454300 - 10/30/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Do you believe in the possibility of enlightenment (nirvana, awakening, transcendence, ascension, liberation etc)?
There's a difference between enlightenment and awakening in pure land zen
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Awakening vs. Enlightenment.
A clear distinction should be made between awakening to the Way (Great Awakening) and attaining the Way (attaining Enlightenment). (Note: There are many degrees of Awakening and Enlightenment. Attaining the Enlightenment of the Arhats, Pratyeka Buddhas, Bodhisattvas, etc. is different from attaining Supreme Enlightenment, i.e., Buddhahood.) To experience a Great Awakening is to achieve (through Zen meditation, Buddha Recitation, etc.) a complete and deep realization of what it means to be a Buddha and how to reach Buddhahood. It is to see one's Nature, comprehend the True Nature of things, the Truth. However, only after becoming a Buddha can one be said to have truly attained Supreme Enlightenment (attained the Way).
A metaphor appearing in the sutras is that of a glass of water containing sediments. As long as the glass is undisturbed, the sediments remain at the bottom and the water is clear. However, as soon as the glass is shaken, the water becomes turbid. Likewise, when a practitioner experiences a Great Awakening (awakens to the Way), his afflictions (greed, anger and delusion) are temporarily suppressed but not yet eliminated. To achieve Supreme Enlightenment (i.e., to be rid of all afflictions, to discard all sediments) is the ultimate goal. Only then can he completely trust his mind and actions. Before then, he should adhere to the precepts, keep a close watch on his mind and thoughts, like a cat stalking a mouse, ready to pounce on evil thoughts as soon as they arise. To do otherwise is to court certain failure, as stories upon stories of errant monks, roshis and gurus demonstrate.
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To make sure that his disciple would reach the great ocean and not be misled by smaller bodies of water, a Zen Master explained the difference between rivers, lakes and seas, the characteristics of fresh water, salt water, etc. Finally, he took the disciple to the highest mountain peak in the area and pointed to the ocean in the distance. For the first time, glimpsing the ocean with his own eyes, the disciple experienced a Great Awakening. However, only after he followed the long, arduous path and actually reached the ocean, tasting its waters, did he achieve Enlightenment.
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Do you work towards it?
i work towards awakening but not enlightenment. enlightenment takes serious discipline, and i'm not ready for that at this time in my life. too much fun now.
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Re: Are you striving for enlightenment? [Re: Hobozen]
#22454658 - 10/30/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you blankk. Good post.
-------------------- No one behind, no one ahead. The path the ancients cleared has closed. And the other path, everyone's path, easy and wide, goes nowhere. I am alone and find my way.
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