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Chess...
    #2245185 - 01/16/04 12:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

This thread is for people to discuss why they enjoy the intellectual challenge of chess.

For me, chess has been an addiction for the last year and a half. My nose has been buried in numerous books, going through openings and their variations, memorizing end game patterns, learning attack and defence, and playing through the games of grandmasters.

I enjoy the intellectual challenge of destroying my opponent. I appreciate the beauty of a great game, the way bishops control the board, the stealth a knight uses when it comes out of nowhere, the rat race of passed pawns, the swift destruction a well used queen brings. I love slow games that struggle for position and small advantages, and I love dynamic speed chess. I love gambits and the tempo they gain, allowing for massive attacks. I love insidious sacrifices and misdirection. I love it when my opponent takes bait and the game is over in under ten moves.

Check this game out. I played a 1500 player with 2:00. I was white and used the kings gambit. Death comes swiftly with 0:02 remaining on my clock

1. e2-e4 e7-e5
2. f2-f4 e5xf4
3. g1-f3 d7-d6
4. d2-d4 h7-h6
5. c1xf4 g8-f6
6. f1-c4 f6-h5
7. c4xf7+ e8xf7
8. f4-e3 f8-e7
9. e4-e5 d6xe5
10. f3xe5+ f7-g8
11. d1xh5 b8-c6
12. h5-f7+ g8-h7
13. o-o c6xe5
14. d4xe5 c8-g4
15. b1-c3 c7-c6
16. h2-h3 g4-d7
17. h3-h4 e7xh4
18. f1-f4 h4-g5
19. a1-d1 g5xf4
20. d1xd7 f4xe3+
21. g1-f1 d8-g5
22. c3-e4 g5-g4
23. e4-f6++


Any chess fanatics???


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Re: Chess... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2245217 - 01/16/04 01:39 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I've got a few good friends who are really into chess, and quite good at it, but the few times I tried to play them they were well ahead of me and I never bothered to learn beyond the basic rules.

About a month ago I said "fuck it" and decided to try. I'm slowing getting better, but I wish I could find some more beginners to play against. It seems everyone I know who plays chess has been doing it for years, and I always get slaughtered.

Hey, maybe there are some beginners here who'd like to take me on... anyone?


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Re: Chess... [Re: Phluck]
    #2245271 - 01/16/04 02:09 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Playing against people better than you should accelerate your playing. I would advise to avoid beginners because you will only learn to play sloppy, if mate is not made within 10 moves, the game digresses into a sloppy en prise situation.


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Re: Chess... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2245317 - 01/16/04 02:31 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Chess... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2245355 - 01/16/04 02:54 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I can play the game, but I'm not very good. My brain can't think ahead, and you have to be able to think ahead. My 9-year old recently beat me at chess. I can only think about one move at a time, whether it's in chess or in life, in general.


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Re: Chess... [Re: Frog]
    #2245360 - 01/16/04 02:56 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I can play the game, but I'm not very good. My brain can't think ahead, and you have to be able to think ahead. My 9-year old recently beat me at chess. I can only think about one move at a time, whether it's in chess or in life, in general.




Not necessarily true. A grandmaster once admitted that he never thought ahead, he only made the best move possible when it was his turn.


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    #2245370 - 01/16/04 03:00 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Things I don't like about chess.

2. Overly competitive people. 




Some organized chess reeks of elitism.  I attended chess club gatherings when I attended the University of Kansas, and was disappointed by the "I'm better than you," attitude.  My friend that accompanied me always made it a point to dress down as much as he could, and tell stories about his substance abuse when he was sticking it to them. :lol: good times.


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Re: Chess... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2245374 - 01/16/04 03:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

chess is great, it's really a good game for focusing!

what I like about it is that it's one of the few games out there that doesn't rely on luck.

I sometimes plan ahead, sometimes I don't, jsut depends on what's happening.

I also like that there is almost complete silence when two people are playing chess. silence is great :smile:


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Re: Chess... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2245382 - 01/16/04 03:04 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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SpecialEd said:
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I can play the game, but I'm not very good. My brain can't think ahead, and you have to be able to think ahead. My 9-year old recently beat me at chess. I can only think about one move at a time, whether it's in chess or in life, in general.




Not necessarily true. A grandmaster once admitted that he never thought ahead, he only made the best move possible when it was his turn.




Now I'm glad I wrote what I wrote, and now maybe I'll play more. So many people have told me that you have to be able to think several moves ahead, and I can't. But now that I know you can still be successful, one move at a time, I'll give it another go.

Renegade???


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Re: Chess... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2245387 - 01/16/04 03:05 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think chess also sheds some interesting light on intuition verses calculation...

When humans play computers at chess, there is no way for a human to out calculate a computer. In a matter of seconds, a computer can entertain a thousand variations a hundred moves in advance. When it comes down to cold calculation, a computer would destroy a human. However, when a player gets "zoned," and they get a good feel for the flow of the game, it is possible to defeat computers soley on intuition.


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Re: Chess... [Re: Frog]
    #2245388 - 01/16/04 03:07 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Now I'm glad I wrote what I wrote, and now maybe I'll play more. So many people have told me that you have to be able to think several moves ahead, and I can't. But now that I know you can still be successful, one move at a time, I'll give it another go.




That may be somewhat of an exaggeration.  :lol:  You still need to recognize attacks and traps.


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Re: Chess... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2245390 - 01/16/04 03:08 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i dont think chess is a thing to be studied in books rather then on an actual match.. we should have a meeting on yahoo some time, odds are you would kick my ass, but after all is there anything more enjoyable then learning?


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Re: Chess... [Re: Yarry]
    #2245395 - 01/16/04 03:11 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Let's go right now, I'll pm you!!!


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Re: Chess... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2245399 - 01/16/04 03:12 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Um, if anyone ever wants to get their ass kicked at backgammon, while not as intellectual of a game, I'd be happy to oblige!    :grin:


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Re: Chess... [Re: Frog]
    #2245502 - 01/16/04 05:32 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

while not as intellectual of a game

This is a common misconception because of the random element. BG is as intellectual as chess and is, in some significant ways, more complicated.

For example:

1. 6 possible outcomes in BG instead of 3 for chess.

2. Play changes drastically in match play according to the score differential in BG and only slightly in chess.

3. The branching factor of possible moves in BG is magnitudes greater than chess.


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Re: Chess... [Re: Swami]
    #2245508 - 01/16/04 05:34 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Well, then I am a fuckin' genius. Bring on the challengers!


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Re: Chess... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2245527 - 01/16/04 05:47 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I was planning on doing a thread on chess soon. I just started playing again on MSN. I haven't really played too much, but I'm learning... kaiowas still kicks my ass royally all the time. I'm getting better at keeping focus and analyzing, because often I just stop paying much attention and it all falls down...

It's quite the game... its pretty much THE game. You can take a lot of theories and incorporate them into your playing.. the possibilities are near endless. :grin:
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Re: Chess... [Re: Swami]
    #2245529 - 01/16/04 05:47 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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For example:

1. 6 possible outcomes in BG instead of 3 for chess.

2. Play changes drastically in match play according to the score differential in BG and only slightly in chess.

3. The branching factor of possible moves in BG is magnitudes greater than chess.




I cannot imagine a game being more complicated then chess, even experts do not fully understand the way the game works and cannot fully understand some of deep blue's moves...but then again I have no idea what back gammon is.


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Re: Chess... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2245531 - 01/16/04 05:49 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Send me the move history, I'll tell you how to beat him!


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Re: Chess... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2245539 - 01/16/04 05:58 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I like chess...I have a very nice chess-board set up in my room. It's mostly decorative, since it hardly gets used. But I like a good game every now and then, and when I do play, I usually play online. Ultimate boredom killer. But then again...boredom is an illusion.


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