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update on dad/son grow!! first flush harvest pix
    #22450732 - 10/29/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

hi everyone...

so, been a little while since i posted last. but last post was showing my set up, which was at first in a terrarium... the really old classic PFTEK style. i then was introduced to the wonderful shotgun fruiting chamber, and posted the transition my dad and i made to move our cakes to that chamber. since then, we birthed four more cakes (dunkdandrolld) and dunkdandrolld the original two as well to get a second flush.

anyway, here are progress pics... which is what we're all looking for when we look at these threads anyway... right? also, pretty new to shroomery. come at me with critique, suggestions... dad and i are looking to get off of PFTEK pretty soon and move on to more of a bulk based grow... or more likely... have both going at once

ok. for real now



setup overview. dad insisted i dont take a picture until he hung up the jolly roger flag... and then wanted me to make sure i got it in the pic. so there it is. does that light seem sufficient for the operation? i haven't looked into lighting too much as the topic seems to be very debated and figured as long as it's receiving some sort of light to guide the fruit as they grow then it'd be okay.



side pic of the sgfc with all 6 cakes birthed in it. the two closest to the camera are the original two, and the newest four are in the back row. note, the newest four that i'd birthed when i took this pic were two different strains - amazonian and hawaiian.



pic of plentiful pinning. i think to promote better microclimatage i'm going to pull out the double casing tek on the cakes i'll be birthing in about a week's time in a new, separate chamber.




more pix



okay, questions about these. this is probably a good representation, although maybe a TAD bit on the small side, of the average size of the fruit i got from these cakes. tape measure for scale... is that an alright fruit size? what do i need to do to produce bigger, denser fruits?




some jar pix. wide mouth jars are tazmanian cubensis... skinny half pint ones are hawaiian.

however... my problem is this: two of the six cakes (which were part of the four new cakes, not the two that we were putting in for the second flush) that were birthed and we harvested from, have yet to show any signs of hyphal knottage or pinning or even late consolidation... i dunked and rolled these with the other cakes. when i compare their size to the other cakes, they seem bigger, but haven't made any progress towards fruiting. i don't know whether or not these were the hawaiians... or the amazonians... as i didn't keep track once i birthed them to dunk and roll.

me and my dads operation are sort of riding on the hawaiians to produce a lot. we have another syringe at the ready to inoculate another 8 jars, and another syringe of tazmanian. we haven't birthed any of the tazmanians yet, but they're from the same vendor as the hawaiians. i'm afraid that if the hawaiians were the ones that failed to fruit, that the tazmanians are going to do the same thing.

anyway, here's pix of the actual harvest



the two best cakes. also the two we're not sure are HAWAIIAN or AMAZONIAN. amazonians are known to be pretty big, and these arent. hawaiians known to be a pretty picture perfect representation of cubensis... so im hoping the ones that succeeded were the hawaiians and not the amazonians, as the amazonians pure purpose was to get me and my dad started - and the purpose of THAT was my expressed interest in mycology and my dad's old school knowledge of it. i mean, i'm talkin.... he got the real deal stuff from billy mcpherson himself. out of the back of a high times magazine. got some typewriter written instructions... the original PFTEK guide. and my dad studied them for either three WEEKS or three MONTHS. not sure. either way... hoping they're hawaiian. ;P




i'm pretty sure i'd already picked some from the cake in the second pic. that cake has produced the most beautiful fruits yet. so dense, so pretty. the nicest curve to them. beautiful gills... ugh. just love these things and this hobby and really hoping you guys are interested in helping me :smile:


freshly picked... plus like probably 5 more that were already dry. and i'd attempted to trip off a few sneakily but didnt get much of a buzz. i've tried a few different times to get a buzz... best one was my first try. ate about 17 grams fresh mixed with about one dry (from the first flush of the amazonians)... started to get a pretty good buzz, unless it was just placebo. similar to acid in that i got cold and started to form a runny nose. noticed things seemed to be... not as kinetic as acid. which of course i had a low dose, so probably not even worth describing.

the rest of the shroomies that didn't get a chance to hang to dry.


dried amazonians. probably a gram there.




my dad's set up of drying them. i know it's old school and i've pretty much pulled him to the new school's side of the tracks, but he's insisting that that's the best way to dry them. we don't have finances for a proper desiccant chamber so... give us tips on how to dry better but also store psychoactive content. preferably, the less psilocin lost, the better.





oh. and this is a pic of all the cakes after fruiting. cake 2 and 4 (from top to bottom) in the line on the right are the ones that haven't made any progress towards fruiting. i'm blaming these on premature birth without consideration for the cake to consolidate after colonizing AND not waiting to see any pins form.


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Re: update on dad/son grow!! first flush harvest pix [Re: technotree]
    #22450811 - 10/29/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Second flush will probably give you bigger fruits. Fan dry is your best bet. Get some damprid from your local harware store and make a desiccant chamber with screen and tupperware type container.


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Re: update on dad/son grow!! first flush harvest pix [Re: Chakatron]
    #22450821 - 10/29/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

alright cool... am i following the proper procedure by not misting them for probably 2 days before i dunk them again? to mimic the natural cycle of rain on the mycelium?


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Re: update on dad/son grow!! first flush harvest pix [Re: technotree]
    #22450849 - 10/29/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Didn't quite read everything you asked, but the two cakes with shittons of fruits growing from the bottom and what appears to be blue bruising suggests you need to mist quite a bit more (quantity, not frequency) than you are present.

The sgfc has a LOT of air exchange, and requires a reasonably significant amount of water input to replace what's evaporating.  You want water droplets all over the surface of the cakes.  Stop just short of pooling water on the cakes.

As far as upgraded teks, both Frank's 12 Steps guide and Violet's V-tek are awesome.  I recommend you read the V-tek guide whether you want to do it or not, it has lots of great info about how growing works.

The sooner you get a pressure cooker and start using agar, the less you'll be facepalming later.  Also, the "strains" shouldn't have a large effect.  Yeah, one of the spore prints you get will probably work better than the others, but that doesn't have much to do with what name is on it.  Try them, see what works well on cakes, go from there.  Multispore has a lot of innate variations.  PF classic might be one to look at if you intend to grow a lot of cakes, it was bread for cakes.

Get a food dehydrator.  Best investment you will make in this hoby.

As for fruit size, it's pretty irrelevant.  Dry yield is the only thing that matters.  I think people tend to agree that GIANT fruits tend not to be as potent as medium/small fruits.  They are also harder to dry.

Frank's 12 steps n00b monotub tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837/fpart/1/vc/1
V-tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19167498#19167498
Violets excellent culturing tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19035259#19035259

V-tek is a nice way to get your feat wet with grains before going all in so to speak.  Learn about casing, etc.  Any grain will work for it, including rye and bird seed, though I would shy away from oats and popcorn.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: update on dad/son grow!! first flush harvest pix [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22450857 - 10/29/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

thats cool ur dad is down like that.

my dad just face palms me.


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Re: update on dad/son grow!! first flush harvest pix [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22450916 - 10/29/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Machiavelliavore said:
Didn't quite read everything you asked, but the two cakes with shittons of fruits growing from the bottom and what appears to be blue bruising suggests you need to mist quite a bit more (quantity, not frequency) than you are present...




thanks for so much sound advice! really appreciate the effort you took to reply :smile:

And to the other two too!

i'll definitely look into the misting thing. how much should i be misting? i was actually feeling like i was doing it a bit too MUCH... but obviously haven't been misting them enough. will they still be ok going into the second flush?

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Re: update on dad/son grow!! first flush harvest pix [Re: technotree]
    #22450969 - 10/29/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It doesn't look like you're undermisting by a large margin.  The dunk before the second flush should clear up all your misdeeds.

Take a photo of the cakes (closeup) right after you mist and people can give you some feedback.  Ideally, there will still be some moisture on the surface when you come back to mist again 12 hours later.  If it still looks wet 12 hours later, you're probably going too hard.

I think the colour of your lighting threw me off into thinking they were super bruised blue.  Oh yeah, re: lighting, any fluorescent will get it done.  Daylight (6500K) fluorescent is ideal.

No need to worry about getting direct light everywhere on the substrate.  Pinning all over the substrate is aided by light anywhere on the sub.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: update on dad/son grow!! first flush harvest pix [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22451018 - 10/29/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Is that micropore or masking tape on top of your jars?


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