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I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking
    #22450703 - 10/29/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Whenever I try just eating the shrooms, i can get the most intense body high, but never visuals. Is it just with me?


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Aureus]
    #22450710 - 10/29/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

very interesting. may have to try that


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22450728 - 10/29/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How many gs do you do most of the time?


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22450745 - 10/29/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You are not alone, same thing happens with me. Last trip, I took around 5.5 dried grams, and ended up with an intense body high, looping thoughts, some auditory hallucinations, and very minimal distortions in vision. Disappointing to say the least.

That is why I'm done growing cubes for a while, MS just never works out in my favor. And I haven't gotten around to cloning the right fruits yet. Maybe I'll try APE or PE and go from there.

But once my pan cyan grow is done, I'll be trying out the infamous 1 gram dry dose. I hear you are almost guaranteed a full-blown psychedelic experience. :awesomenod:


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: pablokabute]
    #22450750 - 10/29/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

2 grams


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22450758 - 10/29/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You are not alone, same thing happens with me. Last trip, I took around 5.5 dried grams, and ended up with an intense body high, looping thoughts, some auditory hallucinations, and very minimal distortions in vision. Disappointing to say the least.

That is why I'm done growing cubes for a while, MS just never works out in my favor. And I haven't gotten around to cloning the right fruits yet. Maybe I'll try APE or PE and go from there.

But once my pan cyan grow is done, I'll be trying out the infamous 1 gram dry dose. I hear you are almost guaranteed a full-blown psychedelic experience. :awesomenod:





Just try lemon tek and you won't be disappointed with the visuals. Just don't lemon tek more than 2 grams, after 2 grams it's just too intense and not fun.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Aureus]
    #22450776 - 10/29/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lemon tek doesn't do anything... If the genetics of the mushroom is bad then nothing in the world other than a placebo effect can make it better.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22450832 - 10/29/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you call hologram open eye visuals and my computer screen warping placebo... so be it. The fact is I can never  have any visuals when I dont lemon tek, no matter how much I take.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22450863 - 10/29/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Meh, IMO there's  limitless variables when it comes to ingesting these things, psilocyin content is a big factor don't get me wrong but I think set and setting play an equal if not greater role. Your head space, last time you ate, what you ate, what time, etc all factor into the "trip".

I would hesitate to say that lemon tek does nothing, the acidity converts psilocyin into psilocybin, essentially skipping one step for our bodies to metabolize. The result is the same potency squeeze into a smaller time frame giving the impression of tripping much harder. But ya I see what ur saying.

Also aren't pan cyans similar, if not less potent compared to cubensis? I may be wrong but I think the pans aren't anything special, the psilocybe cyanescens on the other hand :p


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: TheHulk69]
    #22450908 - 10/29/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would think that cyans and other variety of shrooms are similar to cubes in the fact that they all have the chance of being extremely potent to extremely not.

@Aureus - you know you have extremely potent shrooms with good genetics when your closed eye visuals last the whole 2-4 hour trip. Open eye visuals are more common and is not a good way to gauge whether or not your batch is good.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Leviticus969] * 1
    #22450928 - 10/29/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

grind an oz or 2 into powder (then dose as normal), you'll have better consistency, continuity and evens out the ms genetic lottery.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Coraltrout]
    #22450958 - 10/29/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

A common myth, I'm afraid


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Coraltrout]
    #22450972 - 10/29/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I remember a TC or two saying they wouldn't even eat cubes anymore after trying pan cyans.

apparently psilocybin is not psilocybin.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22451011 - 10/29/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You guys need to chew them longer. I have the same problem though I'm on 4 grams and honestly the visuals are minimal but good god everything else is awesome. I think if you chew them more you get more of the I'm sorry I can't spell right now. I'll post back in a bit. Like tomorrow I'm still tripping sorry.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Aureus]
    #22451067 - 10/29/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Whenever I try just eating the shrooms, i can get the most intense body high, but never visuals. Is it just with me?



i have the same problem, i cant get high on mushrooms unless i grind into powder and drink in orange juice, i need the psilocybin to hit at once otherwise i wont trip


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Dr.LSD]
    #22451068 - 10/29/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22451076 - 10/29/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The problem is genetics of the shrooms. It's garbage. Has nothing to do with you or how you eat it. :themoreyouknow:


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22451272 - 10/29/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lemon tek is more than just placebo :justno: There's chemistry going on that makes the trip more intense but shorter.

Also, pan cyans are markedly more potent than cubes and quite consistent in potency, even with MS. Many reports on here confirm this and there is also a Dutch publication that shows quantitatively that pan cyans are more potent than cubes:





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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22451317 - 10/29/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The problem is genetics of the shrooms. It's garbage. Has nothing to do with you or how you eat it. :themoreyouknow:





How do you know it has nothing to do with their personal body chemistry? If you really think that everyone reacts to drugs the same way, you're misguided. Even if two people eat the same dose from the same batch of mushrooms, they will still perceive things differently due to their state of mind and their personal brain chemistry.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: LSDaytripper]
    #22451692 - 10/29/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

For the most part I believe we're all built the same biologically. As in we take a certain medicine to heal a certain condition, eat to satisfy hunger or to gain a certain benefit from that certain food. And yeah I do realize some ppl can eat fish and some can't but I think for the most part, if someone takes a more potently good batch of shrooms then they'll all experience the same things, if not close.

So that's the biological side of it. The other side would be the environmental factors and how that affects certain people. But i'm not going to get into all that.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22452123 - 10/30/15 02:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lemon tek working or not is not up for debate, we all kno it does and its obvious why.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: SleepyE]
    #22452852 - 10/30/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Potent shrooms dont need any lemon to be potent. U can eat them alone n b just fine.

If u really wanna tell me lemons work then at least tell me your trip report on them so i can gauge if u kno what youre talking about.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22453189 - 10/30/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

man, you are just saying one stupid thing after another.

Go read


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22453486 - 10/30/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have read and at first I believed until i tried and thats why I say what I say. Are you one of those people that believe everything u read or see on tv?:pleasetellmemore:


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Leviticus969] * 1
    #22453636 - 10/30/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Guys, I've tripped a lot on mushrooms, and let me tell you: last time I tried a lemon tek, and it was fucking intense, way more powerful than a 3 gram trip ought to be.
See the link in my sig, it worked for me, and the chemistry behind it is not hard to grasp.
The lemons pre-digest some of the shrooms, that's the magic.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22453691 - 10/30/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

the grinding to powder i always thought was the big deal, that coupled with the acidity makes it like dosing pure psilocybin, no digestion time necessary so it hits you all at once

would you get higher having the drug slowly administered to you, or all at once. of course its the latter.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: SleepyE]
    #22454238 - 10/30/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've only had one shroom trip on two dry grams of presumably cubes. But many smoked dmt experiences. How many grams of cubes done the lemon tek way would it require to experience the same tripping intensity on a minute to minute basis as a moderately intense smoked dmt trip where you didn't break through but your conception of this reality is starting to shatter? Just curious..and I found mushrooms to be describable as qualitatively similar to dmt except..less pleasant lol


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22454262 - 10/30/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not entirely sure that you could get there with lemon tek. Maybe 5-20 grams?


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22454281 - 10/30/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

5g lemon tekked in silent darkness is similar to ayahuasca/pharmahuasca but far less intimidating and lower frequency of experience if you get what i mean. dmt hyperspace is typically faster paced. i often thought the visions have some sort of cymatic relation to how intense and complex they are.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22454289 - 10/30/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You are not alone, same thing happens with me. Last trip, I took around 5.5 dried grams, and ended up with an intense body high, looping thoughts, some auditory hallucinations, and very minimal distortions in vision. Disappointing to say the least.

That is why I'm done growing cubes for a while, MS just never works out in my favor. And I haven't gotten around to cloning the right fruits yet. Maybe I'll try APE or PE and go from there.

But once my pan cyan grow is done, I'll be trying out the infamous 1 gram dry dose. I hear you are almost guaranteed a full-blown psychedelic experience. :awesomenod:



How the hell do you people trip on 5 grams and not have visuals? Either those are some weak as fuck shrooms or you have a high tolerance, 2 grams fucks me up overtime


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: spartan88]
    #22454349 - 10/30/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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How the hell do you people trip on 5 grams and not have visuals? Either those are some weak as fuck shrooms or you have a high tolerance, 2 grams fucks me up overtime




Exactly. I see no point in going over 2 grams unless the potency is just extremely weak or I feel like going into dream world on the couch and can't function. It doesn't matter if you take 5 10 or 20 grams, lemon tek this or that. If the shrooms are weak in magic, then all that does is multiply the bunkness by that much more. Now... If the shrooms were strong in magic... the trip will be multiplied that much more...

Always test your batch before you go on heroic doses. There is no reason to take 20 gram doses of garbage bunk shrooms. That's just stupid.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: spartan88]
    #22454396 - 10/30/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You are not alone, same thing happens with me. Last trip, I took around 5.5 dried grams, and ended up with an intense body high, looping thoughts, some auditory hallucinations, and very minimal distortions in vision. Disappointing to say the least.

That is why I'm done growing cubes for a while, MS just never works out in my favor. And I haven't gotten around to cloning the right fruits yet. Maybe I'll try APE or PE and go from there.

But once my pan cyan grow is done, I'll be trying out the infamous 1 gram dry dose. I hear you are almost guaranteed a full-blown psychedelic experience. :awesomenod:



How the hell do you people trip on 5 grams and not have visuals? Either those are some weak as fuck shrooms or you have a high tolerance, 2 grams fucks me up overtime



They were weak shrooms for sure. It was from MS, so you never know what you're gonna get. In my case, I got bunk.

I'm moving through my first pan cyan grow right now. I got two agar plates (2nd transfer) of nice mycelium. In a couple of days, I'll be transferring a wedge to oat jars, then spawning the fully colonized jars to bulk trays of hpoo/verm/gypsum. Once they colonize fully, I'm putting that in my SGFC.

And I'm done with cubes for a while, it's all about the pans now!! 1 gram dried should give me the trip I've been looking for! :rockon:


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22454411 - 10/30/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Trip report on the pans?


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22454442 - 10/30/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, I will be posting a trip report as soon as the first flush comes through. I'll be taking 10 grams wet, which roughly equals 1 gram dried. Should be a wild ride! :trippnballs: :lol:


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22454657 - 10/30/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I have read and at first I believed until i tried and thats why I say what I say. Are you one of those people that believe everything u read or see on tv?:pleasetellmemore:



I suppose its quite possible that it effects you in a different way. Thats just not how it typically works for the rest of us, hence my confusion :shrug:


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22455693 - 10/30/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry about last night, I meant to say the longer you chew them the more psilocybin is converted to psilocin even before its in your stomach. Its obviously not as good as lemon tek but chewing for as long as possible and then drinking an orange juice has always made my trips more interesting.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Dr.LSD]
    #22455747 - 10/30/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i did powdered mushrooms in orange juuice with great potentiation effects


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: SleepyE]
    #22455778 - 10/30/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Drinking orange juice with mushrooms mixed in makes the texture soo slimy, it's difficult to get that down.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22455849 - 10/30/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

just put a pipe buddy over the mouth of the bottle :lol:


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22455884 - 10/30/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:orry: How would that make it easier to drink. I'm not even sure what a "pipe buddy" is lol


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22455956 - 10/30/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

it was just a joke. I've never tried it.

Its a metal screen attached to a piece of rubber that fits around the mouthpiece of a pipe. for keeping bits of ash out of your mouth (the slang for that ash here is scoobs.)


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22455989 - 10/30/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Oh :lol: that makes sense now. I call the ash at the bottom of the bowl resin, or "rez". Still good enough to smoke if you're all out of weed, desperate times call for desperate measures :happyweed:


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22456000 - 10/30/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh :lol: that makes sense now. I call the ash at the bottom of the bowl resin, or "rez". Still good enough to smoke if you're all out of weed, desperate times call for desperate measures :happyweed:



ash at the bottom is booty or just ash here. Only once it has traveled through the rest of the piece and into your mouth does it become scoobs. (short for scoobie snacks)


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22456667 - 10/31/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh :lol: that makes sense now. I call the ash at the bottom of the bowl resin, or "rez". Still good enough to smoke if you're all out of weed, desperate times call for desperate measures :happyweed:



ash at the bottom is booty or just ash here. Only once it has traveled through the rest of the piece and into your mouth does it become scoobs. (short for scoobie snacks)



Yeah I've heard that before, that's literally the worst thing! That's why I only hit the bowl lightly towards the end. I rarely smoke bowls tho, one hit off my 22" straight tube and I'm good for the night! :vaped:


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22457089 - 10/31/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I like to take all my old pipes and soak them in 93% iso for a few days. Then you just take the pipes out and all the rez is gone. But the cool part is you can let the alcohol dry and you have a lot of rez at the bottom of the dish. I always do that to like 5 or more pipes and get like .5 of strong rez.

But I usually just chew the mushrooms good and then once I swallow chug a fat glass of oj. I like mushrooms but I can never eat a fat does without getting my stomach all upset which messes with the trip. Mushrooms would be so much better if I could figure out how to not feel sick when tripping.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Dr.LSD]
    #22457156 - 10/31/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I like to take all my old pipes and soak them in 93% iso for a few days. Then you just take the pipes out and all the rez is gone. But the cool part is you can let the alcohol dry and you have a lot of rez at the bottom of the dish. I always do that to like 5 or more pipes and get like .5 of strong rez.



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But I usually just chew the mushrooms good and then once I swallow chug a fat glass of oj. I like mushrooms but I can never eat a fat does without getting my stomach all upset which messes with the trip. Mushrooms would be so much better if I could figure out how to not feel sick when tripping.



Try eating a few ginger root pills 30 minutes before dosing, it always calms down my stomach. :thumbup:


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22457278 - 10/31/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

how have I never tried ginger?

Another way to achieve high dose with minimal stomach issues would be different species. People say with pan cyans it only takes a gram to get up there.


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    #22457451 - 10/31/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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how have I never tried ginger?



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Another way to achieve high dose with minimal stomach issues would be different species. People say with pan cyans it only takes a gram to get up there.



That's what I hear from everyone that tries it. The awesome thing is, it is usually very consistent when starting from MS, so there's no real need to isolate or clone, you just need a super clean culture to start with!! Gotta love agar :grin:


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22457538 - 10/31/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm surprised no one has mention tea yet, it's a good alternative for large doses with minimal nausea.
You can even throw in some lemon/lime to help break it down  :mushroom2:


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    #22457588 - 10/31/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid: Don't forget the ginger root!!


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    #22457759 - 10/31/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sure it was a mistake I made, but every time I try to make potent tea it doesn't seem to work well. I've had excellent results with low dose teas several times, but the 2-3 times I went potent it was meh


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    #22458775 - 10/31/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That's a good idea. I'm going to eat 8 grams next trip so that will be really helpful. Now if only we could find a way to shorten the tolerance break needed to achieve a good trip without weighting weeks.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22459434 - 10/31/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I've only had one shroom trip on two dry grams of presumably cubes. But many smoked dmt experiences. How many grams of cubes done the lemon tek way would it require to experience the same tripping intensity on a minute to minute basis as a moderately intense smoked dmt trip where you didn't break through but your conception of this reality is starting to shatter? Just curious..and I found mushrooms to be describable as qualitatively similar to dmt except..less pleasant lol





I've never done DMT but i'm pretty sure you that with lemon tek you can have an experience more intense than smoked DMT. Last time I did only 2 grams I saw a lot of creepy colorful holograms all over the house and music was slowing down like a broken record. That shit was so scary and amazing, I can only imagine what 6 grams would be like.
Smoked DMT is probably way more gentle and friendly though.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Aureus]
    #22459687 - 10/31/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

As long as you vaporize dmt rather than smoke it and as long as you don't fucking mix weed or anything else with it and don't burn it...then it is very peaceful and serene unless you get enough in. But even intense experiences are merely awe inspiring and gentle IFFFFFF you are feeling a positive excitement directly before inhaling..


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22460654 - 11/01/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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As long as you vaporize dmt rather than smoke it and as long as you don't fucking mix weed or anything else with it and don't burn it...then it is very peaceful and serene unless you get enough in. But even intense experiences are merely awe inspiring and gentle IFFFFFF you are feeling a positive excitement directly before inhaling..



I gotta try some elf spice soon, I feel like some dmt at the end of a shroom trip would be amazing! :deemsters:

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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Dr.LSD]
    #22463042 - 11/01/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I like to take all my old pipes and soak them in 93% iso for a few days. Then you just take the pipes out and all the rez is gone. But the cool part is you can let the alcohol dry and you have a lot of rez at the bottom of the dish. I always do that to like 5 or more pipes and get like .5 of strong rez.

But I usually just chew the mushrooms good and then once I swallow chug a fat glass of oj. I like mushrooms but I can never eat a fat does without getting my stomach all upset which messes with the trip. Mushrooms would be so much better if I could figure out how to not feel sick when tripping.





Can we say that the fibrous matters in mushies make the trip a little upsetting? That it can be alleviated by forgoing to take the fiber components? 

I once dosed with an 8th having to chew it and chug it down with calamondin juice... moments later, I experienced HELL... and HELL for me, at that moment of fleeting realizations, is INSIDE OF ME.

I had to drink some liquid antacids just to ease the pain... damn. I can still remember it plain as day...


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Aureus]
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I've only had one shroom trip on two dry grams of presumably cubes. But many smoked dmt experiences. How many grams of cubes done the lemon tek way would it require to experience the same tripping intensity on a minute to minute basis as a moderately intense smoked dmt trip where you didn't break through but your conception of this reality is starting to shatter? Just curious..and I found mushrooms to be describable as qualitatively similar to dmt except..less pleasant lol





I've never done DMT but i'm pretty sure you that with lemon tek you can have an experience more intense than smoked DMT. Last time I did only 2 grams I saw a lot of creepy colorful holograms all over the house and music was slowing down like a broken record. That shit was so scary and amazing, I can only imagine what 6 grams would be like.
Smoked DMT is probably way more gentle and friendly though.





How can you be 'pretty sure' when you haven't smoked DMT? Oh Pls...

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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: pablokabute]
    #22463131 - 11/01/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I've only had one shroom trip on two dry grams of presumably cubes. But many smoked dmt experiences. How many grams of cubes done the lemon tek way would it require to experience the same tripping intensity on a minute to minute basis as a moderately intense smoked dmt trip where you didn't break through but your conception of this reality is starting to shatter? Just curious..and I found mushrooms to be describable as qualitatively similar to dmt except..less pleasant lol





I've never done DMT but i'm pretty sure you that with lemon tek you can have an experience more intense than smoked DMT. Last time I did only 2 grams I saw a lot of creepy colorful holograms all over the house and music was slowing down like a broken record. That shit was so scary and amazing, I can only imagine what 6 grams would be like.
Smoked DMT is probably way more gentle and friendly though.





How can you be 'pretty sure' when you haven't smoked DMT? Oh Pls...

:smile:



well either way its wrong, a dmt breakthrough is the highest you can possibly get, shrooms will take you somewhere very close, but not "there"


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: SleepyE]
    #22463292 - 11/01/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Have you ever heard about ego death on shrooms? It's definetly possible to breakthrough on shrooms. When you take a dose high enough, there's no difference of what you see with your eyes open or closed and you're literally transported to another dimension. The difference is that it won't last just a couple of minutes like with smoked DMT, it will last for hours and the chances of having a bad trip is higher.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Aureus]
    #22463342 - 11/01/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

the trip report in my sig is exactly that, and yeah you believe you are dying and not in this world anymore but its still different on DMT.

dmt takes it even further in ego death and makes it actually quite violent.


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    #22463357 - 11/01/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

mushrooms ego death feels like the whole planet came to life and swallowed you whole, and youre with mother nature as some massively complex mash of patterned beauty from hyperspace with semi and sometimes full out of body experiences, but you still feel "attached" to this planet, but DMT completely removes that attachment from anything familiar, both visually and emotionally.

its like the ego death on mushrooms but zero visual attachment to this reality which makes it far more intimidating and scary.


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Aureus]
    #22464240 - 11/01/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Have you ever heard about ego death on shrooms? It's definetly possible to breakthrough on shrooms. When you take a dose high enough, there's no difference of what you see with your eyes open or closed and you're literally transported to another dimension. The difference is that it won't last just a couple of minutes like with smoked DMT, it will last for hours and the chances of having a bad trip is higher.




You are urged to try DMT for yourself... don't just read. Experience.  Then you compare again... imo, comparing without first experiencing is pretty dumb. DMT breakthrough is incomparable.

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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: pablokabute]
    #22464667 - 11/01/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Each drug has its psychedelic dimension, I'm not saying they are comparable, i'm just saying shrooms can be as intense as DMT. If you don't agree, you probably have never had a true powerful shamanic experience with hallucinogenic mushrooms.


http://www.trufflemagic.com/blog/experiment-simple-psilocybin-psilocin-extraction/

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"It came on about 1 minute 30 seconds into the induction. The initial rush was more profound than vaporized DMT experiences but not as intense as 5meodmt vaporized. The visual aspect was that of DMT and maybe even a bit more, hard to say, there was much going on.
Auditory and physical symptoms persisted throughout the 20 minute peaking experience. The come down was much like the downside of oral administration or fungi. After effects persisted for about 30 – 40 minutes after peak."



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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Aureus]
    #22464695 - 11/01/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Says the guy who has never done dmt.  :goodluckwiththat2:


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    #22464749 - 11/01/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

interesting, never heard of anyone vaping psilocybin, fuck i had freebase 4-aco-dmt i probably could have tried that, dammit.


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    #22465396 - 11/02/15 05:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Whenever I try just eating the shrooms, i can get the most intense body high, but never visuals. Is it just with me?




I'd tend to say this is normally down to dose / potency, although it does seem (just from reading posts on here) that some people experience less visuals than others, even if the dose would normally be sufficient for most people to get good visuals.

Also, are you talking about CEV or OEV or both?

I wouldn't really call an "intense body high" with no visuals a trip, to be honest, it would make me want to increase the dose.

I think you can have some idea whether lack of visuals is down to dosage just by the intensity of your general thought patterns - I find that strong visuals require a fairly strong trip which involves a lot of non-visual mindfuck. If you are getting heavily mindfucked without any visuals then that would be unusual, if you are getting no mindfuck and no visuals you probably need a higher dose.

If you get good visuals and a good trip from the same dose on lemon tek but not without it....then I guess you stick with lemon tek!


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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Aureus]
    #22466546 - 11/02/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Each drug has its psychedelic dimension, I'm not saying they are comparable, i'm just saying shrooms can be as intense as DMT. If you don't agree, you probably have never had a true powerful shamanic experience with hallucinogenic mushrooms.


http://www.trufflemagic.com/blog/experiment-simple-psilocybin-psilocin-extraction/

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"It came on about 1 minute 30 seconds into the induction. The initial rush was more profound than vaporized DMT experiences but not as intense as 5meodmt vaporized. The visual aspect was that of DMT and maybe even a bit more, hard to say, there was much going on.
Auditory and physical symptoms persisted throughout the 20 minute peaking experience. The come down was much like the downside of oral administration or fungi. After effects persisted for about 30 – 40 minutes after peak."






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    #22469255 - 11/03/15 01:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Lesson #1 don't look for visuals and you won't be diasappointed if they never appear, maybe listen instead of looking and really see :mushroom2: what they have to offer


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Lesson #1 don't look for visuals and you won't be diasappointed if they never appear, maybe listen instead of looking and really see :mushroom2: what they have to offer





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Re: I can't have any visuals without lemon tekking [Re: Aureus]
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Whenever I try just eating the shrooms, i can get the most intense body high, but never visuals. Is it just with me?




I'm the same way. I'm curious to try mushrooms now that I'm off synthetic cannabinoids for awhile. I either have to lemon tek or mix with cactus.

Do some research on using syrian rue as a MAOI to intensify the effects of mushies. It's like how mimosa hostilis is made into ayuhuasca. You can get Syrian rue at idian grocery stores apperntly. I haven't tried but from the experiences I've read it makes mushrooms like 3 times as intense.


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