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paperbackwriter said: Not to mention destroying the air and then turning around and selling us gas masks.
Or creating chemical filled foods then the medicines to handle the chronic problems they create ...
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Let the free market reign, and the politicians would lose all their power, and so would the corporations
HU, did you believe the tobacco companies were telling the truth all those years about health and addiction risk?
Do you believe that pain killer producers tell the truth about the dangers of their drugs without extreme government pressure?
Do you believe beer companies would be working even harder to reach teens if government regulation was not in place to prevent it?
Do you believe companies like Monsanto are telling the complete truth about risks from their chemicals, fertilizers and GMO seeds?
Do you believe GM and other car companies tell the truth when their mistakes start causing accidents and deaths?
Do you believe McDonalds has told the complete truth about health risks from their food preparation methods?
I'm just curious how gullible you are? Total and complete low reg Free market capitalism would not create more truth and transparency ... it would have the exact OPPOSITE effect.
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Which is why I would possibly support a free market model of socialism
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That's an oxymoron, there is no free market in socialist economies, regardless of what you've been sold...
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Re: An open letter to all liberals... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22465942 - 11/02/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let the free market reign, and the politicians would lose all their power, and so would the corporations
HU, did you believe the tobacco companies were telling the truth all those years about health and addiction risk?
Do you believe that pain killer producers tell the truth about the dangers of their drugs without extreme government pressure?
Do you believe beer companies would be working even harder to reach teens if government regulation was not in place to prevent it?
Do you believe companies like Monsanto are telling the complete truth about risks from their chemicals, fertilizers and GMO seeds?
Do you believe GM and other car companies tell the truth when their mistakes start causing accidents and deaths?
Do you believe McDonalds has told the complete truth about health risks from their food preparation methods?
I'm just curious how gullible you are? Total and complete low reg Free market capitalism would not create more truth and transparency ... it would have the exact OPPOSITE effect.
There are plenty of private studies on all these topics, how gullible are you to think that if govt doesn't do it, it won't get done?
Let's talk about personal accountability, why are you so eager to hold corporations responsible, yet not individuals? Anyone knows that inhaling smoke is probably not good, regardless of the source, anyone knows that eating greasy fried food all the time is gonna make you fat, lol. But you think people should not be responsible for their health choices, gotta have daddy govt holding our hands and telling us what's good for us, that's how liberalism I think has taken hold, telling us they're looking out for our best interests, and all its been is a play for total control over our lives from the start
And btw, even independent studies have found no link between gmo's and any type of health problem, I thought you liked facts, there's a huge thread around here debunking all these claims about gmo's and I'm sorry you're too silly to accept the facts
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And btw, even independent studies have found no link between gmo's and any type of health problem, I thought you liked facts, there's a huge thread around here debunking all these claims about gmo's and I'm sorry you're too silly to accept the facts
Even Russia isn't allowing GMO's anymore. Wonder why?
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Which is why I would possibly support a free market model of socialism
That's an oxymoron, there is no free market in socialist economies, regardless of what you've been sold...
Really?
Anarcho-Syndicalism has historical precedent. Can you show an example of free market capitalism functioning in the real world to the benefit of all instead of just a few?
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George Orwell said: I had dropped more or less by chance into the only community of any size in Western Europe where political consciousness and disbelief in capitalism were more normal than their opposites. Up here in Aragón one was among tens of thousands of people, mainly though not entirely of working-class origin, all living at the same level and mingling on terms of equality. In theory it was perfect equality, and even in practice it was not far from it. There is a sense in which it would be true to say that one was experiencing a foretaste of Socialism, by which I mean that the prevailing mental atmosphere was that of Socialism. Many of the normal motives of civilised life– snobbishness, money-grubbing, fear of the boss, etc.– had simply ceased to exist. The ordinary class-division of society had disappeared to an extent that is almost unthinkable in the money-tainted air of England; there was no one there except the peasants and ourselves, and no one owned anyone else as his master.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Revolution_of_1936
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia
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Re: An open letter to all liberals... [Re: KauaiOrca] 2
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And btw, even independent studies have found no link between gmo's and any type of health problem, I thought you liked facts, there's a huge thread around here debunking all these claims about gmo's and I'm sorry you're too silly to accept the facts
Even Russia isn't allowing GMO's anymore. Wonder why?
The same reason the US is falling for the climate hoax. It's political, politics with no factual basis for the real world economics
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Monsanto is fucking horrible. GMOs are not. Banning GMOs would be like if we banned PCs because of Microsoft. I was already skeptical of the anti-GMO crowd but was pro-labeling until I heard some of the arguments Enlil posted in the thread HU just mentioned.
As far as the climate change hoax...
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paperbackwriter said: Free market socialism I could probably get behind. But we're far away from that and in the meantime I'd like to see social nets + capitalism with programs to encourage workplace democracy.
LOL "Free market socialism"
Is that like state capitalism?

How stupid can these libtards get?
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Back on topic: Excellent article, thank you hu!
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Re: An open letter to all liberals... [Re: burgerbrain]
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Anarcho-Syndicalism has historical precedent. Can you show an example of free market capitalism functioning in the real world to the benefit of all instead of just a few?
Yes, America!
Believe it or not, American style capitalism has raised the standard of living for everyone living here, not to mention the other countries that have embraced similar free market principles.
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The U.S has always been a mixed economy. I don't deny that mixed market capitalism can work. What I'd like to see is an example of free market capitalism working in the real world.
I've shown a socialist model. Is there a capatlist one?
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paperbackwriter said: The U.S has always been a mixed economy. I don't deny that mixed market capitalism can work. What I'd like to see is an example of free market capitalism working in the real world.
I've shown a socialist model. Is there a capatlist one?
"No free market examples, derp derp"

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paperbackwriter said: The U.S has always been a mixed economy. I don't deny that mixed market capitalism can work. What I'd like to see is an example of free market capitalism working in the real world.
I've shown a socialist model. Is there a capatlist one?
I've provided examples before, you just don't think they count, lol
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Hopefully the socialist fucktard morons watch this one
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Re: An open letter to all liberals... [Re: burgerbrain]
#22484612 - 11/06/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hopefully the socialist fucktard morons watch this one
They won't, they're too busy picking on Carson for turning his life around instead of continuing on the liberal path to destruction...
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I watched it. Anyone who believes that accurately represents reality is incredibly ignorant. And look who's promoting it...
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I watched it. Anyone who believes that accurately represents reality is incredibly ignorant. And look who's promoting it... 
You watched it? If you did then you didn't understand the meaning, you just say "ignorant" with no examples like that has some validity in the real world. Wake up, liberal socialist
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Re: An open letter to all liberals... [Re: burgerbrain]
#22486084 - 11/06/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: you just say "ignorant" with no examples like that has some validity in the real world. Wake up, liberal socialist
First of all, I'm not a socialist, but you can't seem to stop with the name calling. I guess you think that's your best argument.
Here's a few quotes from the video:
"...ISM even makes the weather perfect everyday!" Please tell us where communism makes that claim?
"I hereby turnover to ISM Incorporated... my freedom" Please tell us what freedom communism takes away (other than the freedom for the 1% to take advantage of the rest of us).
"When anybody tries to pit one of us against the other through class warfare... you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom" So if poor people complain, they're against freedom now?!?!?!
"under ISM, Farmers don't vote anymore" Communism does NOT take away the right to vote.
Did you notice the video also happens to be very pro-union?
"You can't do this to me, I'll strike!" "Wait till the union hears about this!"
I you agree with the video, you should be pro union!
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