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Perhaps we ought to do away with this "real man" bullshit. It seems to me that real men are really scared little boys. I think most women would agree. Do you believe in the notion of a "real man"? If so, why? And if not, why not? Is it just macho bluster, or is there substance to it?
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Are you suggesting there's no such thing as courage? And that all males are "scared little boys"?
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What about from the perspective of a woman? What might they see as a "real man"? There are certainly many women that I would consider "real" (or realer than many).
Any guy who sees himself as a "real man"... you definitely have a point there.
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Its embarrassing when its flags and trucks and guns and racism, etc. I think the 'real man' has been duped and looped over and over and over again but doesn't really know this as his experience... But there is something nagging for validation. Perhaps this is found through identifying with this 'manlyness' stereotype. I really think its a longing for something more, something ineffable. I've noticed that men will prop up their 'manlyness' with the bible so there should be something of a religious experience had by these 'real men' to put all that in perspective in the grand scheme of being a man on earth.
However, there is something to say about the self made man that has accomplished success with the power of his will. Success being a subjective experience attained by the satisfaction of his desire.
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the only notion of a "real man" that comes to my mind when I ponder this is a man who steps up to the plate and does what needs to get done for his family first, then himself and friends.
and not a vanity stricken cry baby
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Rahz]
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blankk said: Any guy who sees himself as a "real man"... you definitely have a point there.
That's a big part of what I'm saying. The "real man" archetype that men perceive themselves to be fulfilling, but are they? And then my next question would be -- what about the archetype?
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Rahz said: Are you suggesting there's no such thing as courage? And that all males are "scared little boys"?
It's not a comment about courage, but do you have to be a "real man" to be courageous? That's sort of what doesn't make sense to me.
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and not a vanity stricken cry baby
Yeah, that makes sense. But in that case I would say the inflated "real man" ego thing would be absent, actually. Do we think "selflessness" when we hear the term "real man"? I'm not sure. Or are we thinking of the Marlboro Man or something?
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DividedQuantum said: Perhaps we ought to do away with this "real man" bullshit. It seems to me that real men are really scared little boys. I think most women would agree. Do you believe in the notion of a "real man"? If so, why? And if not, why not? Is it just macho bluster, or is there substance to it?
Whats your definition of 'real man'?
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It's not a comment about courage, but do you have to be a "real man" to be courageous? That's sort of what doesn't make sense to me.
Well yea, that's the commonly understood definition of a real man/woman. To suggest otherwise indicates a type of social justice that seeks to corrupt the traditional use of language with the intent of supplanting any positive association with masculinity. There is a swaggering egoism associated with being male, machismo, also associated with the unwelcome domination of the female gender that has always been an impostor to courage and willful polarity.
To my mind this trend traces to the rise of Fascist/Technocratic idealism which seeks to take on the traditional role of father. If the state is to be the father then it's subjects must all be little boys and girls. There is less room for hierarchy than in the past, even in the context of a Monarchy which depended on strong masculine values among the many to assert centralized power. As corrupt as those systems may have been this brave new world is more so.
I don't think we can talk about "real men" without getting into the historical and modern context of governance and hierarchy. Also, there's no getting away from the polarity invested in the subject, though it's not primarily concerned with what's between the legs.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz your overthinking it man. when you talk about "real men" you don't need to get into any of that crap man. Just watch some TV on CBS NBC ABC from 4pm-11pm.
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White Beard said: Whats your definition of 'real man'?
Well that's part of my point, what is it? Is there one? When I think about it it seems to have something to do with strength and ego, but that's very amorphous. I mean what I am asking is -- is there any such thing as a real man? Or is it just some phony construct we all take for granted, which has little basis in fact? The definition is one of the things I'm trying to get at, in order to evaluate the basis for this term.
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This is an interesting discussion. As someone who has used the phrase 'man up' many times in his life (much to the disdain of my female partners) I'm interested in nailing down what on earth I was even getting at when I said that. It sure as hell meant something, but it's very hard to put it into words.
I think, for me at least, what I was getting at was taking ones responsibilities head on, very similarly to the way nuentoter put it. Someone who:
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nuentoter said: steps up to the plate and does what needs to get done for his family first, then himself and friends.
Although I would reverse the order slightly and say that I believe this should be 'himself first, then family, then friends'.
I think there's also a subtle undertone of courage in the use of this term, as has already been mentioned.
Not that any of this is gender specific, however the terminology just seems to have evolved that way. I think it encapsulates a way of facing the world, but has been assigned a gender in its interpretation in language, however incorrect that may be.
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Why don't you just "grow a pair?"
Seems we just covered this whole topic very recently. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22240243/fpart/1/vc/1
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Well that's part of my point, what is it? Is there one? When I think about it it seems to have something to do with strength and ego, but that's very amorphous. I mean what I am asking is -- is there any such thing as a real man? Or is it just some phony construct we all take for granted, which has little basis in fact? The definition is one of the things I'm trying to get at, in order to evaluate the basis for this term.
I think women make up what a 'real man' is to benefit them. e.g. a real man pays on the first date.
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White Beard said: I think women make up what a 'real man' is to benefit them. e.g. a real man pays on the first date.
That could be a valid perspective. It makes me wonder, with all of the liberalization of women's rights, whether there's any way, at least in terms of modernity, that this "real man" idea could not be a fiction. I mean women would say that any attribute you could point to in a man you can point to in a woman as well. So I don't know, maybe it would help to get some female perspectives, if that is at all possible.
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Watched a video the other day wherein this woman was bitching about gender bias and how men objectified women non-stop. Ironically, she had perfect hair and make-up and showed the maximum amount of cleavage possible.
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Yeah, they do that.
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Whats your definition of 'real man'?
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Hobozen]
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DividedQuantum said: Perhaps we ought to do away with this "real man" bullshit. It seems to me that real men are really scared little boys. I think most women would agree. Do you believe in the notion of a "real man"? If so, why? And if not, why not? Is it just macho bluster, or is there substance to it?
I agree, the notion of a "real man" is usually disgusting, aggressive, machismo bullshit.
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Real man needs to continue. I love how no matter how hard society tries to turn everyone in to robots, we still remain animals. I like primitive things
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I think the concept of a "real man" that is in operation in society today is flawed. It morphs to fit the desires and aspirations of each individual. There are no qualities, admirable or not, that strictly define what it means to be a "real man".
That said, there definitely are differences between the masculine and feminine aspects of being. This manifests in psychological gender and in physical sex, and both males and females can be masculine and/or feminine. I'd say that the "ideal man" is a more realistic concept, as that is based in psychological and physical principles --the ultimate embodiment of both masculine gender and physical masculine form. I can't say what those qualities are though.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Devizome]
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I think everybody's definition is going to vary to a heavy extent. I personally don't buy into the whole alpha male aspect of it. I see a real man as somebody that is stand up when they need to be, don't steal from their friends and don't go around punking on people they call friends.
In abbreviated terms, just a stand-up motherfucker.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said: I see a real man as somebody that is stand up when they need to be, don't steal from their friends and don't go around punking on people they call friends.
What does that have to do with having a penis though? Women should be that way too... Doesn't being a real man mean you do things that women can't or shouldn't do? Otherwise, its just called being a decent person.
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DieCommie said: What does that have to do with having a penis though? Women should be that way too...
I agree, its a double-standard.
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DieCommie said: Otherwise, its just called being a decent person.
I prefer the phrases 'stand-up' or 'got heart', but otherwise, I agree.
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What about this,
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Do you deny that is what people generally mean when they say "real man"?
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It wasn't 'bullshit' for the movie stars, that made millions. John Wayne, Humphrey Bogart, Sean Connery, Steve MacQueen, etc. So I guess it wasn't bullshit for the audience either, they paid the billions.
The male peacock cannot 'do away with' or take off it's tail, the stag it's antlers, the lion it's mane, the gorilla it's massive build etc.
But artists, scientists, and mathematicians generally don't find the idea very interesting.
But as an ideal it is most important in the military. There, your life can depend on your buddies being tough.
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But as an ideal it is most important in the military. There, your life can depend on your buddies being tough.
I can respect that. But is the real man towing a line? Or are the real men giving back their medals?
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I think its just being aggressive and macho. That's all there is to being a "real man".
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Do you deny that is what people generally mean when they say "real man"?
In certain circumstances it can mean that. I wouldn't deny that at all.
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I see two distinct directions in definition occurring here;
1. Macho/Alpha 2. One who takes care of family/friends/himself
How about this as a third facet?
3. One who has, and is fully attempting to, brave all their inner deamons, to the fullest extent they can
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1. Macho/Alpha 2. One who takes care of family/friends/himself
I think most who buy into the real man idea would see those as the same. Being alpha is how you take care of your family.
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3. One who has, and is fully attempting to, brave all their inner deamons, to the fullest extent they can
I don't buy it for the same reason I was skeptical of another definition above. This is not unique to men and is something that both men and women face. Being a "real man" is defined by the man part, its an expectation that is exclusively applied toward men. Otherwise, its just being real or something else completely.
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3. One who has, and is fully attempting to, brave all their inner deamons, to the fullest extent they can
I don't buy it for the same reason I was skeptical of another definition above. This is not unique to men and is something that both men and women face. Being a "real man" is defined by the man part, its an expectation that is exclusively applied toward men. Otherwise, its just being real or something else completely.
Do you think an equal percentage of men and women go through this? I honestly don't know, but it would seem history seems to be filled with more men that have, and have come to tell the tale. Maybe an equal number of women have, but they just don't shout about it?
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Twin flame encounter survivors like OC and JSB! 
Yeah you're bloody right about that! Oddly enough, after I finished work tonight (at midnight) I didn't feel like going home to an empty house, so I parked my bike up on Camden high street for a few hours (it's like the alternative scene go-to place in London) and tried to spark up a few conversations. The best I had was (invariably) with a homeless dude (they're always such great people to talk to!), and after 20 or so minutes talking I deduced he was having the TF experience with his partner. It's incredible how measurable it is when you know it; it's almost like you can spot it before they've even told you the symptoms; like it's in their eyes.
My ego tells me I sound mildly demented when I say that.
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Not much history written about women in general, because of patriarchy, oppression, and the like. I'm not sure, maybe women simply have less inner demons. At first thought I would think both men and women have that basic experience/struggle, but manifested and addressed in different ways.
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That's a very interesting thought. I've always struggled with empathy, and am very masculine, so it's a fucker tryna consider how different it may be.
We could do with a few female voices in this conversation! I guess your suggestion would take into account why we seem to have less here. Places like this always seem male dominated. I guess men have a tendency to search for answers in this way?
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My ego tells me I sound mildly demented when I say that.
You can see the flames in the reflection in their eyes.
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Seems we just covered this whole topic very recently. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22240243/fpart/1/vc/1
was gonna say, deja vu
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Re: a "real man" [Re: SleepyE]
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Unless your everyday look personifies one of the village people you are not a real man.
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Lol..a real man..is ordered and refined..in categories divine..
So that what a man does he can feel about himself..that he does a good thing and therefore is called a good man..For example..
The necessary logic is that he is responsible..and what he says he acts on and doesn't just think and stew in his head..but actually interacts with people and family..
As an outgoing personality..he finds self actualization with people and events..and items..some could be drugs..or magical items casting spells as a wizard..for example.. People see the shaved man as a refined model or archetype.. and the bearded man as wise and natural..
The means of the day are that a man succeeds..in his will or to put it plainly..
: IS honest and happy..so that he does HIS OWN function and doesn't succumb to the demi urgos of the day..or the negative forces of life..
But refines himself..so that he from a stance of self mobilization continues to defeat his inner egos..towards the providence of the day.
IN total a man must be happy..and therefore if you are not happy..you must be honest to the degrees..so that you can understand..and other people can understand your position..so that they can help you..
If you have a problem..then recognize it...and from there you can begin to figure out how to fix it..But running away from things is only necessary in an objective that you need to run to save yourlife.. Like running from a natural disaster..or running away from a criminal..
You have to weigh the options..sometimes men are called to defend other people.. who are trying to run away from their problems and thus cast them out to other people..
I think men need a sense of Chutzpah..or else they can get boring..
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MajickMuffin said: Real Men are Strong, Honest, and Brave. -Stan Smith
See but, here's the thing: and women aren't? So far I've seen nothing in this thread indicating that this "real man" idea is not a myth.
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I agree with Brendan.
Also I think the same qualities in a female would make her a "real woman". No myth simply an archetype that has evolved with culture and society while still holding the same core values.
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Well, I don't think "real woman" is an equivalent term to "real man." What we really need is some female voices and that's not happening. There is nothing you can point to in the "archetype" that would not also correspond to a potential quality in a woman of integrity, thus, to my mind, undermining the whole notion of a "real man" completely. You're entitled to your opinion, but when someone sees a picture of John Wayne and says, "Now there's a real man," I'm not sure what the fuck they're even talking about. Which is why I use the word "myth." It seems we're talking about good husbands who put dinner on the table they have shot, or something. I don't see why someone a long way from a marriage or dependents could not be a "real" man, and I still don't think I've gotten a satisfactory definition that legitimately excludes women.
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DieCommie said: I'm not sure, maybe women simply have less inner demons. At first thought I would think both men and women have that basic experience/struggle, but manifested and addressed in different ways.
How about this line of thinking DQ? Surely the inner world of each sex is plagued with different deamons, and as such being a real 'man' or 'woman' have very different connotations in action?
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DieCommie said: I'm not sure, maybe women simply have less inner demons. At first thought I would think both men and women have that basic experience/struggle, but manifested and addressed in different ways.
How about this line of thinking DQ? Surely the inner world of each sex is plagued with different deamons, and as such being a real 'man' or 'woman' have very different connotations in action?
Seems pretty weak to me. I say we do away with the semantic baggage and just go with "good" man and "good" woman. That makes a lot more sense to me. I'm quite disappointed we didn't get more female input in this thread.
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DividedQuantum said: I'm quite disappointed we didn't get more female input in this thread.
Me too. I've been hanging around this sub-forum for years though and see very few women here. The whole shroomery is male dominated but I still wonder why we get so few women on PS&P.
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Yeah I think my previous post was too vague in language to appropriately convey my opinion. Sorry.
To clarify, I think more along the lines that the core values of bring earnest, honest, so forth, are the properties the attribute the the idea of a real man or real woman. At least by my understanding of "real" which I equate to an iconic and stoic archetype of person. Layered on top of this character type is the persona. The part that we physically observe which fits more into the image an personality traits. This is where the macho man, the John Wayne's, and so on.
This top layer is also (in my belief) just as androgynous as the core level person. But obviously language and genitalia do cause a split if you choose to apply that filter to people.
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I don't really consider it in true female nature to be philosophical and revolutionary in thought. That is seen as sexist modern day world, but I believe it's a male trait to want to influence the world and strive to be a champion, where as a female needs to find a well adapted male who can fulfill basic needs and provide proper safety. It's in bears and other mammals; this is the family dynamic that allowed us to evolve and become advanced life forms that can enjoy music , but now we want to say everyone is the same and we all have an equal view. Children need physical loving connections to a mother and a father that can teach them to be responsible and physically matured. Why would women come in here getting all philosophical on shit? They must be really sexually absent or something wrong with them for them to ditch basic motherhood instincts. The world has enough ranting feminists out stepping their boundaries as it is, no need to bring it here
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Re: a "real man" [Re: eehoo]
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Hahaha being neutral is not being feminist. Your correct it is not the same view it is a filter through hormones, chemicals, brain mechanics, life experience, that is alien to males. My point is that the core principals of being a good person come before any of these filters. The filter of gender then splits the ideal and idea of what a true man is. Men will have a different view than women will. This also works the other way, where our view of a "real woman" well built (whatever your preference of shape model color etc.) That fucks like a porn star cooks like betty Crocker and keeps a house like Mary Poppins(magic!) Would be pretty cool.
This will not be what a female sees as a "real woman"
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A real woman isn't only beauty but someone who can be a good mom and take care of their kid. Just the same way a real man entails being able to take care of the kid through masculine things. Biologically it's supposed to be hunting but instead we have people making money who are biological dog shit , relying on medicine to sustain existence. Their wives usually fuck around with an alpha behind their backs , because women need a man who is confident and can strut. Otherwise you are a weak pussy that a mountain lion would pounce on ...
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Re: a "real man" [Re: eehoo]
#22459350 - 10/31/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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eehoo, I'm not sure things are quite that black and white.
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*poke poke* Seems like real men in here to me.
I honestly lurk in this part of the boards the most, but feel really self conscious about posting here as a woman. Mainly because there aren't really other females who post here on the subjects. And also because I find that I have very conflicting thoughts on the subjects here than the majority. It'd probably make me melt because it would become too much. Haha
I honestly couldn't even define what a 'real man' is. But for me, it's more of how I feel around one. I think it's mainly seeing them self-assured in their life and going about everyday. It's this protective and manly feeling that a woman/man feels safe with them. Almost heroic in a way. I honestly think that most men are already like this... you can definitely see it when a man has something to live for, even if for morals or love... I think it's mainly an acquired quality and not really subjective to being born with it. Whatever. I think when people talk about it now... it's just.. a manly stereotype of physicality mixed with the 'good man' qualities that you all have talked about. When women talk about the 'real men', it's just that... a good guy and then we joke and faun over their manly physicalities. There's also the whole cultural differences of what a 'real man' would be to each sexes in different cultures. Material wealth, confidence, alpha status, work habits, passionate, althetic, morally sound.... all of these are different to the definition, if there is one, depending on where you are. I also see it as somehow... being a man versus being a boy. I guess when you're no longer a boy, or naive or fragile like one, then you're a real man. ??
Of course, these are still tangible for women as well. You are a real women, when you are no longer a girl.
I think you guys are thinking way too hard about this. Now I'm thinking way too hard about this. haha
I'm going to end it like this... being a real man is gaining the experience of manhood. Being a real woman is gaining the experience of womanhood. Acquiring the confidence of the life you choose to live, sexually/mentally experiencing to know your own body and trust others with your love, learning to be protective and vulnerable when need be. And being happy in your life by being true to yourself. You don't need a fancy job or fancy materialistic things... you don't even need anyone by your side. You can already have had the experiences you wished to live, and you can already be confident that if you haven't you may get them in the future. Perhaps it's hard to state someone really is a real person after all until they are near the end of their life or gone and you can state it during reminiscing. Or maybe it's when you see that glimmer of them during a point in their life where they take charge and are sure and welcoming to the experience.
Does that make sense? Am I backwards yet?
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DividedQuantum said: eehoo, I'm not sure things are quite that black and white.
It does get more complicated but that basic animalistic system is always ingrained in us. Please point out one beautiful woman who has a man that walks like a wounded gazelle and is afraid of everything. Why would they want that
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Re: a "real man" [Re: eehoo]
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DividedQuantum said: eehoo, I'm not sure things are quite that black and white.
It does get more complicated but that basic animalistic system is always ingrained in us. Please point out one beautiful woman who has a man that walks like a wounded gazelle and is afraid of everything. Why would they want that
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DividedQuantum said: I'm quite disappointed we didn't get more female input in this thread.
Me too. I've been hanging around this sub-forum for years though and see very few women here. The whole shroomery is male dominated but I still wonder why we get so few women on PS&P.
Hmm, I wonder why?
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You do realise that a woman have a right to look however she wants to, in whatever way makes her feel good, including to look as sexy as she wants? And that that does not mean that she should be objectified? You may well find it provocative to see women like that, but that by no means entails that you should objectify her and only see her only for her body.
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Imagine shroomery was 50% women.. if paradise could exist on the internet, that would be it...
There is a ladies forum, we could ask them what they think about op...
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Re: a "real man" [Re: eehoo]
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eehoo said: Please point out one beautiful woman who has a man that walks like a wounded gazelle and is afraid of everything. Why would they want that
I actually know of a handful of beautiful women who have stayed with male partners who were alot more timid. I've talked about this with one of them, who wouldn't be offended, just to know if I guessed right. She told me it's bc she has a really assertive personality and didn't want an abrasive male equal to her. She wanted someone who gushed and loved her and admired her. Just like how she admires her significant other for his sensitivity and caring ways. Also we talked about how some women have more sensitive males as partners bc they could be overly motherly in their personalities. So they wanted to take care of the man... with most everything.
We're you thinking about powerful beautiful women for your comment? Bc I don't think equal attractiveness is usually worldwide when finding a partner. I mean... it's about love right? Haha
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Re: a "real man" [Re: pachoo]
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eehoo said: Please point out one beautiful woman who has a man that walks like a wounded gazelle and is afraid of everything. Why would they want that
I actually know of a handful of beautiful women who have stayed with male partners who were alot more timid. I've talked about this with one of them, who wouldn't be offended, just to know if I guessed right. She told me it's bc she has a really assertive personality and didn't want an abrasive male equal to her. She wanted someone who gushed and loved her and admired her. Just like how she admires her significant other for his sensitivity and caring ways. Also we talked about how some women have more sensitive males as partners bc they could be overly motherly in their personalities. So they wanted to take care of the man... with most everything.
We're you thinking about powerful beautiful women for your comment? Bc I don't think equal attractiveness is usually worldwide when finding a partner. I mean... it's about love right? Haha
Pachoo! I've heard women say they like shy guys because it makes them feel more secure and comfortable etc. This was on a womans forum (I'm trying to learn their secrets). The hearts of people come in many different flavors, hell, I even heard of a hotty who had a Mr. Burns fetish. Having the belief that beautiful women only want a guy with specific qualities is self-defeating. And that goes with women too.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Hobozen]
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Hobozen]
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I find the term "real man" slightly ridiculous, im pretty sure it came about from women who werent satisfied sexually with whatever man they had married, and came up with the "real man" fantasy..leading them to cheat with whoever could "out-man" their man.
Much of being a "real man", to a woman, is being able to fuck her, good.
Much of being a "real man", to guys, is a bit of the above coupled with handling your business and not being a pussy.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: hTx]
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Re: a "real man" [Re: hTx]
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hTx said: I find the term "real man" slightly ridiculous, im pretty sure it came about from women who werent satisfied sexually with whatever man they had married, and came up with the "real man" fantasy..leading them to cheat with whoever could "out-man" their man.
Much of being a "real man", to a woman, is being able to fuck her, good.
Much of being a "real man", to guys, is a bit of the above coupled with handling your business and not being a pussy.
I think its a comical way of saying you are better.
I mean, look how this would make someone feel: "Im a Real....REAAL Man...and your just a little fucking bitch!"
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Or a way of describing one's ideal partner. What would our ideal partner be other than real? Not fake... What's real to one is fake to another.. Would that make this whole thing, ultimately unreal? Except for Scarlett Johansson, she's obectively real
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Hobozen]
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I mean LOLed, but yeah, from personal experience, its a sexual thing. Ive banged girls that had boyfriends / husbands who would always moan something a long the lines of "this is a real man", etc but barely have heard it from girls that were single.
Its always the chicks that are extremely dissatisfied that bring that phrase to the table..
So if you start hearing your woman start bringing up "real men", figure out what you need to do to satisfy her or she will be fucking the first dude that makes a move. Your probably already fucked if she brings up "real man" around other males in your presence..its basically a signal that her current man isnt "real" and is giving confidence to whoever wants to step up to the plate to do so.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: hTx]
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hTx said: I mean LOLed, but yeah, from personal experience, its a sexual thing. Ive banged girls that had boyfriends / husbands who would always moan something a long the lines of "this is a real man", etc but barely have heard it from girls that were single.
Its always the chicks that are extremely dissatisfied that bring that phrase to the table..
So if you start hearing your woman start bringing up "real men", figure out what you need to do to satisfy her or she will be fucking the first dude that makes a move. Your probably already fucked if she brings up "real man" around other males in your presence..its basically a signal that her current man isnt "real" and is giving confidence to whoever wants to step up to the plate to do so.
That's fucked up actually.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: hTx]
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hTx said: So if you start hearing your woman start bringing up "real men", figure out what you need to do to satisfy her or she will be fucking the first dude that makes a move. Your probably already fucked if she brings up "real man" around other males in your presence..its basically a signal that her current man isnt "real" and is giving confidence to whoever wants to step up to the plate to do so.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Hobozen]
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Pachoo I appreciate your participation and hope it continues in the sub forum.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: pachoo]
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pachoo said: *poke poke* Seems like real men in here to me.
I honestly lurk in this part of the boards the most, but feel really self conscious about posting here as a woman. Mainly because there aren't really other females who post here on the subjects. And also because I find that I have very conflicting thoughts on the subjects here than the majority. It'd probably make me melt because it would become too much. Haha
I honestly couldn't even define what a 'real man' is. But for me, it's more of how I feel around one. I think it's mainly seeing them self-assured in their life and going about everyday. It's this protective and manly feeling that a woman/man feels safe with them. Almost heroic in a way. I honestly think that most men are already like this... you can definitely see it when a man has something to live for, even if for morals or love... I think it's mainly an acquired quality and not really subjective to being born with it. Whatever. I think when people talk about it now... it's just.. a manly stereotype of physicality mixed with the 'good man' qualities that you all have talked about. When women talk about the 'real men', it's just that... a good guy and then we joke and faun over their manly physicalities. There's also the whole cultural differences of what a 'real man' would be to each sexes in different cultures. Material wealth, confidence, alpha status, work habits, passionate, althetic, morally sound.... all of these are different to the definition, if there is one, depending on where you are. I also see it as somehow... being a man versus being a boy. I guess when you're no longer a boy, or naive or fragile like one, then you're a real man. ??
Of course, these are still tangible for women as well. You are a real women, when you are no longer a girl.
I think you guys are thinking way too hard about this. Now I'm thinking way too hard about this. haha
I'm going to end it like this... being a real man is gaining the experience of manhood. Being a real woman is gaining the experience of womanhood. Acquiring the confidence of the life you choose to live, sexually/mentally experiencing to know your own body and trust others with your love, learning to be protective and vulnerable when need be. And being happy in your life by being true to yourself. You don't need a fancy job or fancy materialistic things... you don't even need anyone by your side. You can already have had the experiences you wished to live, and you can already be confident that if you haven't you may get them in the future. Perhaps it's hard to state someone really is a real person after all until they are near the end of their life or gone and you can state it during reminiscing. Or maybe it's when you see that glimmer of them during a point in their life where they take charge and are sure and welcoming to the experience.
Does that make sense? Am I backwards yet?
pachoo -- thank you for the insight! I think your post addressed the ambiguities of this better than most of the others I've seen in this thread. Your input is most welcome.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: hTx]
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Much of being a "real man", to a woman, is being able to fuck her, good.
Much of being a "real man", to guys, is a bit of the above coupled with handling your business and not being a pussy.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Hobozen]
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I actually know of a handful of beautiful women who have stayed with male partners who were alot more timid. I've talked about this with one of them, who wouldn't be offended, just to know if I guessed right. She told me it's bc she has a really assertive personality and didn't want an abrasive male equal to her. She wanted someone who gushed and loved her and admired her. Just like how she admires her significant other for his sensitivity and caring ways. Also we talked about how some women have more sensitive males as partners bc they could be overly motherly in their personalities. So they wanted to take care of the man... with most everything.
We're you thinking about powerful beautiful women for your comment? Bc I don't think equal attractiveness is usually worldwide when finding a partner. I mean... it's about love right? Haha
Pachoo! I've heard women say they like shy guys because it makes them feel more secure and comfortable etc. This was on a womans forum (I'm trying to learn their secrets). The hearts of people come in many different flavors, hell, I even heard of a hotty who had a Mr. Burns fetish. Having the belief that beautiful women only want a guy with specific qualities is self-defeating. And that goes with women too.
It's not self defeating.. all women get wet for a strong, confident man. They may not act on it, they may want a nice boy to comfort their insecurity and crazy brain, but their biology will always get wet from real men. You hear this stories of two pussies getting married all the time and the wife becomes a ghost and needs a little life put back into her into form of a low wage workers fat ready to go cock, instead of her pussy husbands limp dick
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Re: a "real man" [Re: eehoo]
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Haha you guys are being silly. When we talk about 'real men' in female conversations we all just want the man that we love to be that man. And most of the time they already are. Most of the time tho it's just joking. Because on some level that kind of man doesn't really look like Superman, ya know. It's fabricated advertisement of ideals and what sells. I don't really care about what females/males who cheat think. I'm talking about women already in relationships. I think the whole 'real man' thing is a facade that stereotypes men into a category of being objective to women's sexuality. Most of the Malboro-type real men are just advertisements. They are for cigarettes or to look cool. I think women just want a man who is willing to be passionate towards them. Women need to feel wanted in my opinion. I've seen it in women who cheat, who are in a stable relationship, and who are single. When we see a man who takes care of business and loves his woman and family and is probably athletically strong and morally heroic, we faun over them. But it's a package. It's not just that we want a good screwing. (I wish too more females would join in this conversation haha, because I'm not a spokesperson for the whole female public. Just my own experiences and conversations with other females on the subject)
I think it's an emotional thing. We have to be SHOWN you love us. That you'll take care of us. That you admire us like we would you. Men are verbal. Women are emotional. It's not that men don't love their women, it's just that I think we have to be shown and reminded how much you do love us. Do you understand? I know it's alot and needy, but that's what I've worked out in my own brain. Most of the time I have no idea how my woman brain works. Too much emotion... And I'm a very emotional woman at that. But I'm also objective and logical and most of the time I reflect and try to understand what I want really.
Also, I don't like alpha guys. They kind of bug the shit out of me. I like sweet and nerdy and shy guys. I just want to ravage them.
Anywho, it's hard to generalize something like this when individualistic wants are also in play. Everyone goes for different things. Real men is subjective to the person who addresses it.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: hTx]
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I actually a le question about this statement if you don't mind me asking?
What were these women to you after you bedded them? Were you like... "Man, that's a REAL woman right there." Or were they just a good lay, boring lay... anything lay. Did anything specifically stand out to you about their personality or physicality or their sexual abilities?
I've just always wondered about when women who state they want a real man... if they're even ... worth it to deserve one? Theoretically, of course. Without knowing their background and just their actions.
I don't know... Alot of people have wants and fantasies and ideals without looking at themselves.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: eehoo]
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I actually know of a handful of beautiful women who have stayed with male partners who were alot more timid. I've talked about this with one of them, who wouldn't be offended, just to know if I guessed right. She told me it's bc she has a really assertive personality and didn't want an abrasive male equal to her. She wanted someone who gushed and loved her and admired her. Just like how she admires her significant other for his sensitivity and caring ways. Also we talked about how some women have more sensitive males as partners bc they could be overly motherly in their personalities. So they wanted to take care of the man... with most everything.
We're you thinking about powerful beautiful women for your comment? Bc I don't think equal attractiveness is usually worldwide when finding a partner. I mean... it's about love right? Haha
Pachoo! I've heard women say they like shy guys because it makes them feel more secure and comfortable etc. This was on a womans forum (I'm trying to learn their secrets). The hearts of people come in many different flavors, hell, I even heard of a hotty who had a Mr. Burns fetish. Having the belief that beautiful women only want a guy with specific qualities is self-defeating. And that goes with women too.
It's not self defeating.. all women get wet for a strong, confident man. They may not act on it, they may want a nice boy to comfort their insecurity and crazy brain, but their biology will always get wet from real men. You hear this stories of two pussies getting married all the time and the wife becomes a ghost and needs a little life put back into her into form of a low wage workers fat ready to go cock, instead of her pussy husbands limp dick
Shy guys can be strong and confident in bed. Just because you're shy and lacking in confidence on the outside, doesn't mean you can't turn into a beast at night. Some of these beefcakes who have all the confidence in the world are boring in bed. Lots of stories about that out there. Good sex isn't just about big manly cocks and hard pounding sex. There are many Japanese women who are highly sensual, and many of them like thin, feminine guys. Check out some Japanese porn if you don't believe me. Actually I quickly looked and found this perfect example of what I'm talking about. They love it because of the intense exchange of sexual energy, which sends waves of orgasmic energy throughout the body. Whatever gets that stuff pumping.
Then there's tantric sex... I'm sure a (real lol) women would prefer a shy tantric expert over a strong, confident beefcake who feels like a dead ice statue in bed. Why? Much more orgasmic. Then we could get deeper into sexual kung fu, learning how to have long, shared full body orgasms where the two bodies feel as one unified ball of orgasmic energy. Beefcakes got nothing on those guys.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: pachoo]
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pachoo said: Haha you guys are being silly. When we talk about 'real men' in female conversations we all just want the man that we love to be that man. And most of the time they already are. Most of the time tho it's just joking. Because on some level that kind of man doesn't really look like Superman, ya know. It's fabricated advertisement of ideals and what sells. I don't really care about what females/males who cheat think. I'm talking about women already in relationships. I think the whole 'real man' thing is a facade that stereotypes men into a category of being objective to women's sexuality. Most of the Malboro-type real men are just advertisements. They are for cigarettes or to look cool. I think women just want a man who is willing to be passionate towards them. Women need to feel wanted in my opinion. I've seen it in women who cheat, who are in a stable relationship, and who are single. When we see a man who takes care of business and loves his woman and family and is probably athletically strong and morally heroic, we faun over them. But it's a package. It's not just that we want a good screwing. (I wish too more females would join in this conversation haha, because I'm not a spokesperson for the whole female public. Just my own experiences and conversations with other females on the subject)
I think it's an emotional thing. We have to be SHOWN you love us. That you'll take care of us. That you admire us like we would you. Men are verbal. Women are emotional. It's not that men don't love their women, it's just that I think we have to be shown and reminded how much you do love us. Do you understand? I know it's alot and needy, but that's what I've worked out in my own brain. Most of the time I have no idea how my woman brain works. Too much emotion... And I'm a very emotional woman at that. But I'm also objective and logical and most of the time I reflect and try to understand what I want really.
Also, I don't like alpha guys. They kind of bug the shit out of me. I like sweet and nerdy and shy guys. I just want to ravage them.
Anywho, it's hard to generalize something like this when individualistic wants are also in play. Everyone goes for different things. Real men is subjective to the person who addresses it.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: pachoo]
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I mean, different experiences with different women, however I suppose there's a few recurring themes..they were all quite attractive (shallow, I know, but that was the only reason I would make a move is if they were fine), their significant others weren't doing it for them (had one girl tell me her dude couldnt get it up the last few times they tried to get intimate), the sex is usually pretty hardcore...not much love, a lott of lust..raunchy even.
afterwards I just think "that was a good lay, but would never seriously date or pursue affair/homewreck" although I do keep them around as friends and would continue to have random hook-ups at times.
The one exception, is the girl I'm with now whom I sort of stole from some asshole...we've been faithful to each other for nearly two years.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Hobozen]
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Why do women go for so many different things in dudes? for guys its pretty objective what is most desirable in women, i just find it funny women cant agree on objectivity,
Like what type of girl goes for the shy nerdy type, and what type of girl goes for the muscle meathead? Are there typical personalities they have that differ between them influencing why they have different desires in men?
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SleepyE said: Why do women go for so many different things in dudes? for guys its pretty objective what is most desirable in women, i just find it funny women cant agree on objectivity,
maybe it's not so objective for men, at least men who have grown up and passed the college phase of banging whoever and however many women they can. when a man matures emotionally and psychologically, ... well, if he matures, i'm sure his taste in women becomes more defined. also, a mature man will want to seek out someone they can relate to very well on an emotional, psychological and sexual level. All of those combined make for strong intimate bonding and good sex. If it's just physical you're after, the sex is going to be more one dimensional in a way.
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Like what type of girl goes for the shy nerdy type, and what type of girl goes for the muscle meathead?
tough question.. maybe pachoo could help us with that one...
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Hobozen]
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I think women are like a status thing for a lot of men though, the more attractive the more people almost congratulate you for being with them. The objective for men obviously is the taylor swift type body/face id say
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Hobozen]
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Like what type of girl goes for the shy nerdy type, and what type of girl goes for the muscle meathead?
tough question.. maybe pachoo could help us with that one...
Haha I dunno. 
Different 'variety' of people go for opposite personalities, same personalities, balanced personalities... Immature genders tend to look at partners of their personal ideals or physicality preferences. Some grow out of it, some don't. I think in the end, most people are looking for partners who pull their mental/heart/loin strings at the same time.
I'm unhelpful. 
But I really wanted to joke saying smart girls go for the shy nerdy guys. Heehee
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Re: a "real man" [Re: SleepyE]
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Oh yea, forgot all about society statuses for partners
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Re: a "real man" [Re: pachoo]
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pachoo said: Haha you guys are being silly. When we talk about 'real men' in female conversations we all just want the man that we love to be that man. And most of the time they already are. Most of the time tho it's just joking. Because on some level that kind of man doesn't really look like Superman, ya know. It's fabricated advertisement of ideals and what sells. I don't really care about what females/males who cheat think. I'm talking about women already in relationships. I think the whole 'real man' thing is a facade that stereotypes men into a category of being objective to women's sexuality. Most of the Malboro-type real men are just advertisements. They are for cigarettes or to look cool. I think women just want a man who is willing to be passionate towards them. Women need to feel wanted in my opinion. I've seen it in women who cheat, who are in a stable relationship, and who are single. When we see a man who takes care of business and loves his woman and family and is probably athletically strong and morally heroic, we faun over them. But it's a package. It's not just that we want a good screwing. (I wish too more females would join in this conversation haha, because I'm not a spokesperson for the whole female public. Just my own experiences and conversations with other females on the subject)
I think it's an emotional thing. We have to be SHOWN you love us. That you'll take care of us. That you admire us like we would you. Men are verbal. Women are emotional. It's not that men don't love their women, it's just that I think we have to be shown and reminded how much you do love us. Do you understand? I know it's alot and needy, but that's what I've worked out in my own brain. Most of the time I have no idea how my woman brain works. Too much emotion... And I'm a very emotional woman at that. But I'm also objective and logical and most of the time I reflect and try to understand what I want really.
Also, I don't like alpha guys. They kind of bug the shit out of me. I like sweet and nerdy and shy guys. I just want to ravage them.
Anywho, it's hard to generalize something like this when individualistic wants are also in play. Everyone goes for different things. Real men is subjective to the person who addresses it.
No offense but you're a woman on an Internet forum. You have to be fat and unattractive to show up in places like these, so in all honesty your view on how men win over women is completely irrelevant as you are not a beautiful woman. If you were one, you would have so much attention you would having to be blocking it out. Modern world there is a man around every corner to pamper you , unless you are repulsive
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Re: a "real man" [Re: SleepyE]
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There are a ton of dykes who fit the "real men" stereotype nowadays. They all work out, dip, support a buzz cut and prolly could kick everyone's ass in here. WTF happened guys?
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Re: a "real man" [Re: pachoo]
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Like what type of girl goes for the shy nerdy type, and what type of girl goes for the muscle meathead?
tough question.. maybe pachoo could help us with that one...
Haha I dunno. 
Different 'variety' of people go for opposite personalities, same personalities, balanced personalities... Immature genders tend to look at partners of their personal ideals or physicality preferences. Some grow out of it, some don't. I think in the end, most people are looking for partners who pull their mental/heart/loin strings at the same time.
I'm unhelpful. 
But I really wanted to joke saying smart girls go for the shy nerdy guys. Heehee
We seem to be on the same level of understanding.
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But I really wanted to joke saying smart girls go for the shy nerdy guys. Heehee
hah that's really funny because i was thinking the exact same thing, no lie.
i like girls who go for shy nerdy guys
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Re: a "real man" [Re: SleepyE]
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SleepyE said: I think women are like a status thing for a lot of men though, the more attractive the more people almost congratulate you for being with them. The objective for men obviously is the taylor swift type body/face id say
True, and I think the reason for that is because many aren't very mature. If you wanna impress your buddies, you haven't grown up yet.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: eehoo]
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No offense but you're a woman on an Internet forum. You have to be fat and unattractive to show up in places like these, so in all honesty your view on how men win over women is completely irrelevant as you are not a beautiful woman. If you were one, you would have so much attention you would having to be blocking it out. Modern world there is a man around every corner to pamper you , unless you are repulsive
Ok wow... ouch.
That stung a bit...
But then.... Because you're wasting your time here too. Pfffft
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Re: a "real man" [Re: eehoo]
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pachoo said: Haha you guys are being silly. When we talk about 'real men' in female conversations we all just want the man that we love to be that man. And most of the time they already are. Most of the time tho it's just joking. Because on some level that kind of man doesn't really look like Superman, ya know. It's fabricated advertisement of ideals and what sells. I don't really care about what females/males who cheat think. I'm talking about women already in relationships. I think the whole 'real man' thing is a facade that stereotypes men into a category of being objective to women's sexuality. Most of the Malboro-type real men are just advertisements. They are for cigarettes or to look cool. I think women just want a man who is willing to be passionate towards them. Women need to feel wanted in my opinion. I've seen it in women who cheat, who are in a stable relationship, and who are single. When we see a man who takes care of business and loves his woman and family and is probably athletically strong and morally heroic, we faun over them. But it's a package. It's not just that we want a good screwing. (I wish too more females would join in this conversation haha, because I'm not a spokesperson for the whole female public. Just my own experiences and conversations with other females on the subject)
I think it's an emotional thing. We have to be SHOWN you love us. That you'll take care of us. That you admire us like we would you. Men are verbal. Women are emotional. It's not that men don't love their women, it's just that I think we have to be shown and reminded how much you do love us. Do you understand? I know it's alot and needy, but that's what I've worked out in my own brain. Most of the time I have no idea how my woman brain works. Too much emotion... And I'm a very emotional woman at that. But I'm also objective and logical and most of the time I reflect and try to understand what I want really.
Also, I don't like alpha guys. They kind of bug the shit out of me. I like sweet and nerdy and shy guys. I just want to ravage them.
Anywho, it's hard to generalize something like this when individualistic wants are also in play. Everyone goes for different things. Real men is subjective to the person who addresses it.
No offense but you're a woman on an Internet forum. You have to be fat and unattractive to show up in places like these, so in all honesty your view on how men win over women is completely irrelevant as you are not a beautiful woman. If you were one, you would have so much attention you would having to be blocking it out. Modern world there is a man around every corner to pamper you , unless you are repulsive
you're swimming in a piss pool kiddo
you almost sound offended that a women has a better understanding of the dynamics of sexuality than you.
you know your logic is going to crap when you sink so low as to suggest she must be fat and say "No offense but you're a woman on an Internet forum".
you still have yet to mature, so in the mean time, try working on not being too much of an idiot.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Hobozen]
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Lots of sexy shroomery girls on these forums, jus gotta look. Definitely not tru only non lookers that are females use shroomery, but ay dont hate
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Re: a "real man" [Re: SleepyE]
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What would be the alpha/beta version of women? Is the alpha women the attractive, status competitive cheerleader type? Gotta admit i do admire the superficial type girls like that
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Re: a "real man" [Re: SleepyE]
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Re: a "real man" [Re: eehoo]
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eehoo said: No offense but you're a woman on an Internet forum. You have to be fat and unattractive to show up in places like these, so in all honesty your view on how men win over women is completely irrelevant as you are not a beautiful woman. If you were one, you would have so much attention you would having to be blocking it out. Modern world there is a man around every corner to pamper you , unless you are repulsive
Nah dude. I've seen pachoo's picture before in one of the pics threads and she is neither fat nor unattractive. Your stereotyping is beginning to betray itself.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: aciddrop]
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aciddrop said: Meh, it's all the same anymore to me.
You mentioned in another thread that your last year has been hell.
Your other posts also have a tone of dryness and seem to be lacking in spark.
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pachoo said: Haha you guys are being silly. When we talk about 'real men' in female conversations we all just want the man that we love to be that man. And most of the time they already are. Most of the time tho it's just joking. Because on some level that kind of man doesn't really look like Superman, ya know. It's fabricated advertisement of ideals and what sells. I don't really care about what females/males who cheat think. I'm talking about women already in relationships. I think the whole 'real man' thing is a facade that stereotypes men into a category of being objective to women's sexuality. Most of the Malboro-type real men are just advertisements. They are for cigarettes or to look cool. I think women just want a man who is willing to be passionate towards them. Women need to feel wanted in my opinion. I've seen it in women who cheat, who are in a stable relationship, and who are single. When we see a man who takes care of business and loves his woman and family and is probably athletically strong and morally heroic, we faun over them. But it's a package. It's not just that we want a good screwing. (I wish too more females would join in this conversation haha, because I'm not a spokesperson for the whole female public. Just my own experiences and conversations with other females on the subject)
I think it's an emotional thing. We have to be SHOWN you love us. That you'll take care of us. That you admire us like we would you. Men are verbal. Women are emotional. It's not that men don't love their women, it's just that I think we have to be shown and reminded how much you do love us. Do you understand? I know it's alot and needy, but that's what I've worked out in my own brain. Most of the time I have no idea how my woman brain works. Too much emotion... And I'm a very emotional woman at that. But I'm also objective and logical and most of the time I reflect and try to understand what I want really.
Also, I don't like alpha guys. They kind of bug the shit out of me. I like sweet and nerdy and shy guys. I just want to ravage them.
Anywho, it's hard to generalize something like this when individualistic wants are also in play. Everyone goes for different things. Real men is subjective to the person who addresses it.
No offense but you're a woman on an Internet forum. You have to be fat and unattractive to show up in places like these, so in all honesty your view on how men win over women is completely irrelevant as you are not a beautiful woman. If you were one, you would have so much attention you would having to be blocking it out. Modern world there is a man around every corner to pamper you , unless you are repulsive
you're swimming in a piss pool kiddo
you almost sound offended that a women has a better understanding of the dynamics of sexuality than you.
you know your logic is going to crap when you sink so low as to suggest she must be fat and say "No offense but you're a woman on an Internet forum".
you still have yet to mature, so in the mean time, try working on not being too much of an idiot.
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eehoo said: No offense but you're a woman on an Internet forum. You have to be fat and unattractive to show up in places like these, so in all honesty your view on how men win over women is completely irrelevant as you are not a beautiful woman. If you were one, you would have so much attention you would having to be blocking it out. Modern world there is a man around every corner to pamper you , unless you are repulsive
Nah dude. I've seen pachoo's picture before in one of the pics threads and she is neither fat nor unattractive. Your stereotyping is beginning to betray itself.
Maybe she's a super special girl who denies attention? Idk , just saying it extremely rare/ nonexistent for a human being put in that situation to turn to Internet forums about pshchedelic mushrooms. Let's be real here
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So what? I like pachoo, and you insulted her, so I defended her, along with pointing out your failed logic (which I assume is the source of why you got butthurt and called me a white knight.) Textbook.
I guess that's one of your other lovely features... when someone insults a girl you're hanging with, you just go along with it for fear of being called a white knight by your 'bros'.
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I guess that's one of your other lovely features... when someone insults a girl you're hanging with, you just go along with it for fear of being called a white knight by your 'bros'.
It's all coming together now.
I didn't mean to offend at all or take things to a personal level. It's just truth. Modern society there are way too many males walking around willing to take care of females. Girls have no problem taking care of sexual/biological desires whereas being a male in that situation entails a lot of talent in social interactions with insecure damaged women. It's just the name of the game in current society
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Since when were we talking about damaged women?
I'm not sure we're having the same discussion
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Also, you seem to base your argument exclusively on extroverted type people. Maybe you watch too much TV and forget the other half of people.. the introverts. Maybe you're an extrovert so you only see "the name of the game" because It's all you're used to, while forgetting that it's not so black and white.
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I watch very little tv. Think what you want to think. Go on google images right now and show me one beautiful woman with a pussy boyfriend
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What does a pussy look like?
What if he's a handsome man but just a little shy.
You seem too attached to the world of appearances.
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"beautiful woman with a pussy boyfriend"
that search did not yield the intended result...
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I searched that exact phrase and this is the 4th result.

Could be a shy guy...
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Thanks guys for defending my personality AND err... attractiveness!! Enlighten this fool on how many different women are on the interwebz.
But seriously. Have you even seen the sexy ladies of the shroomery threads? There are many sexy/beautiful/geeky/cute/awesome/intelligent ladies on here. Go look, watch your head explode with the realism. Honestly, if you wanted attractive ladies who are interested in similar things and like to trip occasionally or wouldn't judge you if you did, you've hit jackpot here. To appreciate/get to know, not harass of course. Even though we are a huge minority.
Look, I'm not constantly hit on like most chicks but I'm cute and a good catch. I know my worth. I love psychedelics and have tripped and done other things. I enjoy this site just like everyone else. I like to get to know people with the same openness and interests as myself.
Back on topic... what are you considering a pussy? A sensitive guy? Are you looking for a pic of an attractive woman with a less attractive man? I don't understand.
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Christina Hendricks and Geoffrey Arend. They've been married since 2009. She loves the way he makes her laugh and how sweet he is.
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she is sexy, never heard of her before though, something about the pale skin red hair just looks sooo incredible on some women
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she looks a bit like bryce dallas howard.

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I am always surprised by the inability of some individuals to fathom the existence of things outside of their own direct experience. If a female is on an internet forum it simply means she may be just like you, or any of the other guys on here. Just with no dick, and possibly larger tits. That's about it.
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I would hope I have larger tits than you fellows...
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Never know...... I'm sure there are some full c cup men around here.
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Haha I was kidding though. More about feeling inferior with my own boobies.
Let's get back on topic about the 'real men' discussion
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You've never seen Madmen? The office sex object with obscenely large tits?
A real man watches and follows at least one sport, knows things and is handy. Also he usually tends to have a penis.
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It's close enough. Anywho body building is about as masculine as it gets so no problem in the not being a pussy department. I must say it's hard for me to respect a man who doesn't know the rules of football, baseball or basketball. I know that's an asshole move on my part, but it's the truth
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pachoo said: Christina Hendricks and Geoffrey Arend. They've been married since 2009. She loves the way he makes her laugh and how sweet he is.

The guy is in a tux at a popular red carpet showing talking to media with zero nerves? Hardly a pussy male, try again
Those titties those, goddamn
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A female can never be like a male. Shut up with your political correct bs.
Never found the search result because it doesn't exist. Evolution would be obsolete if women acted otherwise
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I want to reiterate again. What do you mean by a pussy male? I don't know why you think we have to prove to you that some women like that kind of guy.
I believe the terms we used were timid, sensitive, shy and nerdy. And I believe those types of guys can be confident in their personalities. Those are what we're talking about and proving.
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I think in their minds women want a kind, sensitive, understanding beta. But in reality they want a jacked alpha male asshole. I don't judge though, it's simple biology. It's the same reason why I find a woman with a hip to waist ratio of .7 attractive. Beautify is in the eye of the beholder and traits of sexual attractiveness can take on cultural/individual values, but there is a reason why every super hero or god of ancient Greece has a six pack, is brave and has a chiseled body. Because there are certain unconscious underlying traits which suggest better sexual procreation chances with a mate that are deeper in the organism then conscious ideas of what you as an individual find sexy. It's the reason why if you start a thread on "sexy bitches" or "hot guys" you will generally come across similar physical traits. This is just my idea based off of absolutely nothing, but I find there to be at least some truth in it. When it comes to sexual reproduction not sexual fetish we are all more or less the same.
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pachoo said: I want to reiterate again. What do you mean by a pussy male? I don't know why you think we have to prove to you that some women like that kind of guy.
I believe the terms we used were timid, sensitive, shy and nerdy. And I believe those types of guys can be confident in their personalities. Those are what we're talking about and proving.
Something that nature would naturally like to weed out. somebidy that can't carry themselves in a proper way. And look whoever is feeding you that nice guy crap has been lying to you. It doesn't get you what you want it only gets you the ones everyone can get. It creates little boy toys that get used and abused. Do I really have to explain this? What has happened to men?
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people treat you differently once you've put on respectable size, definitely makes flirting much easier because you dont have to work as hard.
Thats why in some cases men have it easier than women to become objectively attractive.
as long as a dude has a decent face/height and gets jacked he pretty much ups his status some sizable points.
on the other hand women truly have to be "born with it"
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Many skinny guys get women just fine. It's about who you are and how you carry yourself and your conversation skills. Which a lot has to do with birth (I.e. A loving mother you have a good connection to). Unless you go for the easy girls that show love everywhere they go.... Most girls aren't that slutty though. Some in college for sure but most aren't so willing to have cock inside them from every angle
It's like they need to make sure you're mind is psychologically In tune before they can trust you enough to let you inside
Then again size and height obviously play a role. Tall helps. It's all about advancing the species and selecting proper traits... Not everyone is meant to exist and reproduce. Just like no boys want to breed with girls who look like they played for their high school football team
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I would never describe myself as an alpha male. I'm very introverted, I detest confrontations. I'm a librarian lol. Someone that eehoo would probably call a pussy because of my lack of a need to push bravado our onto others and my environment. Meek is a word that could probably be used concerning my social interactions. That being said, I have had guys openly hit on my gf while I was standing there because they believed I was a joke. The evening ended up with me calling the ambulance and helping him into after I popped his elbow backwards when he went to shove me. Quietness and being purposefully non-alpha does not mean pussy. It just means I don't need to flaunt and drop testosterone on everything.
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You don't need to be social or alpha like a football player dude you're mistaking everything. There are just certain people who live in fear and there are reasons they get snatched up by mountain lions when they go hiking. You don't have to be filled with muscles aggressive , and center of the social circle to not be a pussy
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When did 'real men' turn into just being alpha. I think you're confusing this thread as something else. There are plenty of threads about the alpha male and whatever.
I specifically mentioned earlier that 'real' men is different to the perceiver. Everyone has different tastes. There is literally a flavor for everyone. Confidence doesn't mean alpha, it means confidence. You can be confident in your sexuality of shyness and timidness. You can be confident as the personality that's not alpha.
Everyone wants a partner who is sure of themselves. People don't usually stay with guys or gals who aren't confident with who they are, or they grow together over the years with that goal in mind.
You're added comments are almost laughable bc you're way off topic. Haha only the attractive find partners, girls just want to get banged, girls shouldn't be on the Internet bc apparently we all know it's supposed to be strictly sausagefest. Adds nothing to 'real' men. Where do you think the non-alphas ends up in life? Battered bruised and alone?! Bahahaha :eyeroll:
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It's like they need to make sure you're mind is psychologically In tune before they can trust you enough to let you inside
Then again size and height obviously play a role. Tall helps. It's all about advancing the species and selecting proper traits... Not everyone is meant to exist and reproduce. Just like no boys want to breed with girls who look like they played for their high school football team
This is all nature working here
What advantage does height have in the modern world? Height was a valuable trait when we were cavemen and being taller meant being able to see further to see prey/predators.
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It's like they need to make sure you're mind is psychologically In tune before they can trust you enough to let you inside
Then again size and height obviously play a role. Tall helps. It's all about advancing the species and selecting proper traits... Not everyone is meant to exist and reproduce. Just like no boys want to breed with girls who look like they played for their high school football team
This is all nature working here
What advantage does height have in the modern world? Height was a valuable trait when we were cavemen and being taller meant being able to see further to see prey/predators.
We're attracted to big tits because it indicated that she would be a good mother. We got lots of caveman shit left over
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Studies are overrated, take a stats class. Primitivism will always be existent, as much as you shy nerds wish girls and boys will come up to speed and "progress", we will always be humans. Boys will call each other faggots and push away feminine behavior amongst themselves, and females will always want men who are the champions among the group. Where is it different in any animal? Your arrogance and delusions are pathetic
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 easy killer i was simply relating a study.
Im on the thin side myself, not under-weight but around 5'11 150,
For awhile i was hanging out around 135, which is pretty thin, however, i have always had pretty decent success with women since i was a little kid.
But now that i am a little less thin then i have been growing up, i do notice girls checking me out or randomly approaching me more often.
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I don't think anyone was arguing that strong guys don't get more women.
Generally yeah, of course. I don't remember arguing that. But it's not all like that, there's a lot of stuff happening inbetween.
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Generally yeah, of course. I don't remember arguing that. But it's not all like that, there's a lot of stuff happening inbetween.
This thread has way more stereo types than I've seen in a while. Still, it raises the point that a strong man whether that means muscles or mentally strong is preferred. Women want the biggest strongest stud who is looking for a woman with the biggest tits and child bearing hips.
So count me in with the stereo types, and caveman behavior.
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I've always believed that to be the case in general too. Maybe that's why there are so many failed relationships.
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usually lots of muscle is an indicator of being mentally strong because the first impression is "this guy has routine, is dedicated, takes care of themselves," etc.
Takes incredible mental strength to do powerlifting, you ever see some powerlifters puke performing a lift, thats fucking alpha.
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SleepyE said: usually lots of muscle is an indicator of being mentally strong because the first impression is "this guy has routine, is dedicated, takes care of themselves," etc.
Takes incredible mental strength to do powerlifting, you ever see some powerlifters puke performing a lift, thats fucking alpha.
I dunno I've always equated large muscles with vanity. Or hard work. Either you got a job that gave them to you or you go to a gym and that is plain vanity.
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Brendan Schaub talked about it on his podcast... It's also how girls appreciate each other's beauty and fashion things more than men ever care about. Men think other ripped dude and they're like damn that guys a beast whereas a lot of hot girls would think he's too much. But I mean you can't be fat and out of shape so everything is in balance some how
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yeah but if you have confidence, good personality and muscles then its the whole package
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eehoo said: Brendan Schaub talked about it on his podcast... It's also how girls appreciate each other's beauty and fashion things more than men ever care about. Men think other ripped dude and they're like damn that guys a beast whereas a lot of hot girls would think he's too much. But I mean you can't be fat and out of shape so everything is in balance some how
you are going to appeal to far more women being ripped versus being skinny, yeah some think it might be too much but a good amount get off on it. 
Ones that like fitness or fitness people will gravitate towards you without even having to do anything. thats the advantage i think.
no one gets approached because they like how skinny you are :/
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I think its a little from column A and a little from column B. The parameters of what a real man is haven't changed over time in terms of providing for himself and his family if he has one. But the means by which we provide has changed which clouds this notion of what a real man is .
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Do you believe in the notion of a "real man"? If so, why? And if not, why not?
This depends on your perception of what "the notion of a real man" is. This notion you speak of is definitely used in media and advertising .. e..g. real men drink beer X or whatever in that sense so yes.. its just marketing tactic trying to pray on the ego's of all the "real men" out there in some cases.
Media tends to reinforce cultural paradigms in the same way. "Real men" drink beer watch sports etc... etc..
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Takes incredible mental strength to do powerlifting, you ever see some powerlifters puke performing a lift, thats fucking alpha.
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Kind of like picking up dog shit as a civic duty, spoils an otherwise fun walk...
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What about from the perspective of a woman?
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Moonshoe said: Being a real man is being a scared little boy and still handling your shit because you love your people
Mike Tyson had a quote somewhere along those lines. A champion and a loser feel the same feelings , it's just how they react to them that defines them. Except for the "because you love your people" part
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Heard that, Moonshoe.
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That answer, I agree with.
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That answer, I agree with.
Me too.
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said: Well in myself I am afraid but for my wife I am brave.
Works with the idea I posted earlier. Women have defined 'real man' for their benefit. Being brave for your wife or love interest as an ideal of masculinity has been a reoccurring idea throughout history.
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Moonshoe said: Well in myself I am afraid but for my wife I am brave.
Works with the idea I posted earlier. Women have defined 'real man' for their benefit. Being brave for your wife or love interest as an ideal of masculinity has been a reoccurring idea throughout history.
Because it is what creates successful families. Same with big ass Titties
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Moonshoe said: Well in myself I am afraid but for my wife I am brave.
Works with the idea I posted earlier. Women have defined 'real man' for their benefit. Being brave for your wife or love interest as an ideal of masculinity has been a reoccurring idea throughout history.
Because it is what creates successful families. Same with big ass Titties
This can be agreed upon I think.
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Well there you have it folks.
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Being a real man means to be a scared little boy in need of big titties.
PC police would make you try to include gay people. Hey you can be a man and gay!!! Psychhhheeee. Tig ol bitties 4 lyfe
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I think big tits are a turn off personally, but that's just personal preferences. The huge ass or huge tits things is not my style at all. I find medium-small much hotter personally.
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Your kids would be smaller and less likely to evade predators. You would create weak offspring and most likely be weeded out if we chose to accept nature again (which humans will have to do at some point)
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Hey, we bought into your flawed scared little boy theory, you are just going to have to go with the big tits and hips, like it or not. Real men are on a team, now are you with us?
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No problem liking other things you would just be weeded out in a natural world. You are not in natures plans. Better served as fuel for other species. In our society though there's a happy ending for everyone apparently
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Stuff like this really burns me up. So, do you think this guy deserves to lose his job? I mean, anyone that works at Taco Bell has got to have some pent up anger, right? Have a few drinks, then just trying to get back home to have a few more, right?
The best part was when he goes to grab his hat as he is getting pepper sprayed.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-uber-rider-arrested-20151101-story.html
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eehoo said: No problem liking other things you would just be weeded out in a natural world. You are not in natures plans. Better served as fuel for other species. In our society though there's a happy ending for everyone apparently
Stuff like this really burns me up. So, do you think this guy deserves to lose his job? I mean, anyone that works at Taco Bell has got to have some pent up anger, right? Have a few drinks, then just trying to get back home to have a few more, right?
The best part was when he goes to grab his hat as he is getting pepper sprayed.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-uber-rider-arrested-20151101-story.html
I'm not gonna a comment on anecdotes as they are irrelevant into big topics. All I'm saying is there is a big picture nature has and some humans are best served going back to the earth rather than being cancerous
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eehoo said: No problem liking other things you would just be weeded out in a natural world. You are not in natures plans. Better served as fuel for other species. In our society though there's a happy ending for everyone apparently
Stuff like this really burns me up. So, do you think this guy deserves to lose his job? I mean, anyone that works at Taco Bell has got to have some pent up anger, right? Have a few drinks, then just trying to get back home to have a few more, right?
The best part was when he goes to grab his hat as he is getting pepper sprayed.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-uber-rider-arrested-20151101-story.html
I bet his momma has big titties tho
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eehoo said: No problem liking other things you would just be weeded out in a natural world. You are not in natures plans. Better served as fuel for other species. In our society though there's a happy ending for everyone apparently
Stuff like this really burns me up. So, do you think this guy deserves to lose his job? I mean, anyone that works at Taco Bell has got to have some pent up anger, right? Have a few drinks, then just trying to get back home to have a few more, right?
The best part was when he goes to grab his hat as he is getting pepper sprayed.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-uber-rider-arrested-20151101-story.html
I bet his momma has big titties tho
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Don't short this guy a Taco.
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In some cases, but for the most part it's easier for a woman to become more objectively attractive. As long as she's not fat and doesn't look like she got hit in the face with a shovel when she was 5, i'll fuck her. Where as women are generally much more picky then guys. While attractiveness is different for everyone, there is a reason why rich old men get with young girls with pretty thin women with huge tits and super heroes are tall have six packs and a low voice. Because there are certain physical traits which are considered attractive and traits considered unattractive at rates which would generally make us all more or less attracted to the same physical style of human ideally.
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In some cases, but for the most part it's easier for a woman to become more objectively attractive. As long as she's not fat and doesn't look like she got hit in the face with a shovel when she was 5, i'll fuck her. Where as women are generally much more picky then guys. While attractiveness is different for everyone, there is a reason why rich old men get with young girls with pretty thin women with huge tits and super heroes are tall have six packs and a low voice. Because there are certain physical traits which are considered attractive and traits considered unattractive at rates which would generally make us all more or less attracted to the same physical style of human ideally.
In a natural world good men with good hearts are hard to come by. I feel like women are untrustworthy and removed by nature, while choosing the most well adapted males in order to have the most successful families. It is obviously easier to get laid as a 5 of a woman than a 5 as a man in today's world but that is just because there is an overflow of humans and lack of competition. Everything has been tampered with
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Moonshoe said: Well in myself I am afraid but for my wife I am brave.
Works with the idea I posted earlier. Women have defined 'real man' for their benefit. Being brave for your wife or love interest as an ideal of masculinity has been a reoccurring idea throughout history.
Because it is what creates successful families. Same with big ass Titties
The family unit is a concept that benifits women's interests over the interests of men. Women have a limit on the number of children they can produce, they want a man protecting and providing for them and their limited offspring (the family unit). Men on the other hand can impregnate multiple women at a time, producing many offspring. It would be in his best interest to select the best of his litter of bastards and raise his best children himself.
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The expression seems to me to describe a one-sided, unbalanced male in whom his unconscious feminine (the anima) is suppressed and repressed. Or, in another idiom, the Yang aspects are expressed while the Yin aspects are suppressed. This often results in the gross misunderstanding that passive emotional conditions of sympathy, empathy, and congruence with other people should be ignored. This may be necessary in a battlefield (or a playing field) but everywhere else it is ignored makes for a pathological condition.
Less obvious than the suppression of the [feminine] Feeling function, is the relative absence of Intuition as well as the Thinking function (logic) for informing oneself This has occurred so often in our culture that Intuition that has long been admitted to by females has been called "women's intuition." One never hears of 'men's intuition' and indeed the function gets associated exclusively with females.
Men who employ their often superior physical strength to intimidate and bully can often be cowards and emotionally crippled (like "scared little boys"). In some sub-cultures a boy never acquires the emotional or financial independence that would make a fully adult man because he goes from his mamma's house to a series of girlfriends whom he lives off of opportunistically. That's when you see bullying (for fear of being kicked out and having to support himself), But, then again, there are sadistic and sociopathic men whose emotional and moral retardation are mistakenly identified as a virtue. The word virtue, from the Latin virtus, denotes 'male strength' but virtue is not the possession of men alone. Callous indifference is much more an indicator of psychopathology than of virtuousness, male or female. War elicits psychopathic tendencies which may be a necessary evil, but they are not a virtue (even if they constitute a form of strength) and they are not qualities that uniquely define half the human race.
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A real man is a man that shits wherever he wants, kills whenever he thinks he should and knocks a female over the head with a wooden club and throws her inside the cave to rape her.
 (as you can see in his typical picture attached he wouldn't stand any chance by typical flirting)
From that era man has made a significant compromise between his animalistic instincts and the society's safety.
When in our days two men argue about which one of them is more macho is equivalent to two dwarfs arguing which one of them is taller.
In the case that someone becomes as macho as the guy in the pic or close, the society withdraws its protection on him, that was mutually agreed and deals with him in a suitable for him way thus demachoing him.
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If we consider things on a primal level we can consider woman are foragers and give life and raise children. Men hunt and protect the family, the notion of a real man especially in modern times is a warped and twisted one.
We think that because we are supposed to be protectors that we must be packed full of muscle and we don't cry or experience emotion. My belief of a "real man" is that we are the protectors of this world and that we must be strong. There is no courage without fear, we can feel sad, we can feel scared but we cannot allow it to stop us. If it means that every now and then you cry or need to tell someone your feelings then fine do that. You don't stop being a man unless you do nothing to deal with what is happening and you allow it to stop you from being a protector.
A good example I know a man who believes he is a "real man" and after a traumatic experience he refused to talk about it and accept that it hurt and damaged him, i'm a man I can deal with this. He later suffered a break down and can no longer work, he mopes around all day (Not complaining) but he just doesn't do anything with no excuse. He can no longer provide for his family but if he just accepted that he was destroyed by what happened and allowed others to help him he would have recovered and regained his title of man. He has now since regressed due to medication causing permanent social problems and he is too stubborn to change his ways. I believe he could still recover but he refuses to because of some weird notion of holding onto his manhood.
If someone is threatening your life or the life of your family (unless complying means no one will get hurt) you are not a man if you let your fear stop you from protecting your family and fighting back. Even if your life is the only one at risk by not protecting yourself you leave your family vulnerable for the remainder of their life, this is not acceptable. If you can protect and provide for your family being small and weak because you are smart and can out wit any opponent or you are a skilled fighter with no need to be strong, you can get a job that does not require strength. then you can still be classed a man.
You just have to fulfill the role of the strong protector who can always be relied upon. We all suffer moments of weakness and if you must say so (I don't agree) you temporarily are not a man but by accepting this fate and healing so that you can rise to the top again, you then have nothing to feel bad about. If you refuse to heal and be better though you don't deserve to be called a man no matter what you have achieved. Giving up removes your man hood.
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I believe that a real man dedicates his life to yoga, meditation, martial arts, athletics and fitness, health and longevity, wholesome relations, compassion and wisdom.
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quinn
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Moonshoe]
#22540965 - 11/18/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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if ur a real man and you examine your thoughts closely they actually all look like this
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Moonshoe
Blue Mantis


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Re: a "real man" [Re: quinn]
#22540986 - 11/18/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol damn I wish
I am hard as fuck on myself most of the time
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Near Dylan
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Re: a "real man" [Re: Moonshoe]
#22541446 - 11/18/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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\ How tough are ya?
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KMt
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Quote:
DividedQuantum said: Perhaps we ought to do away with this "real man" bullshit. It seems to me that real men are really scared little boys. I think most women would agree. Do you believe in the notion of a "real man"? If so, why? And if not, why not? Is it just macho bluster, or is there substance to it?
What's the standard? Who set this standard?
That should answer your question.
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