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Re: a "real man" [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22458763 - 10/31/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not sure, maybe women simply have less inner demons.  At first thought I would think both men and women have that basic experience/struggle, but manifested and addressed in different ways.



How about this line of thinking DQ? Surely the inner world of each sex is plagued with different deamons, and as such being a real 'man' or 'woman' have very different connotations in action?




Seems pretty weak to me.  I say we do away with the semantic baggage and just go with "good" man and "good" woman.  That makes a lot more sense to me.  I'm quite disappointed we didn't get more female input in this thread.


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Re: a "real man" [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22458794 - 10/31/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm quite disappointed we didn't get more female input in this thread.



Me too. I've been hanging around this sub-forum for years though and see very few women here. The whole shroomery is male dominated but I still wonder why we get so few women on PS&P.


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Re: a "real man" [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22458897 - 10/31/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I think my previous post was too vague in language to appropriately convey my opinion. Sorry.

To clarify, I think more along the lines that the core values of bring earnest, honest, so forth, are the properties the attribute the the idea of a real man or real woman. At least by my understanding of "real" which I equate to an iconic and stoic archetype of person. Layered on top of this character type is the persona. The part that we physically observe which fits more into the image an personality traits. This is where the macho man, the John Wayne's, and so on.

This top layer is also (in my belief) just as androgynous as the core level person. But obviously language and genitalia do cause a split if you choose to apply that filter to people.


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Re: a "real man" [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22459018 - 10/31/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I don't really consider it in true female nature to be philosophical and revolutionary in thought. That is seen as sexist modern day world, but I believe it's a male trait to want to influence the world and strive to be a champion, where as a female needs to find a well adapted male who can fulfill basic needs and provide proper safety. It's in bears and other mammals; this is the family dynamic that allowed us to evolve and become advanced life forms that can enjoy music , but now we want to say everyone is the same and we all have an equal view. Children need physical loving connections to a mother and a father that can teach them to be responsible and physically matured. Why would women come in here getting all philosophical on shit? They must be really sexually absent or something wrong with them for them to ditch basic motherhood instincts. The world has enough ranting feminists out stepping their boundaries as it is, no need to bring it here


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Re: a "real man" [Re: eehoo]
    #22459078 - 10/31/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hahaha being neutral is not being feminist. Your correct it is not the same view it is a filter through hormones, chemicals, brain mechanics, life experience, that is alien to males. My point is that the core principals of being a good person come before any of these filters. The filter of gender then splits the ideal and idea of what a true man is. Men will have a different view than women will. This also works the other way, where our view of a "real woman" well built (whatever your preference of shape model color etc.) That fucks like a porn star cooks like betty Crocker and keeps a house like Mary Poppins(magic!) Would be pretty cool.

This will not be what a female sees as a "real woman"


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Re: a "real man" [Re: nuentoter]
    #22459151 - 10/31/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

A real woman isn't only beauty but someone who can be a good mom and take care of their kid. Just the same way a real man entails being able to take care of the kid through masculine things. Biologically it's supposed to be hunting but instead we have people making money who are biological dog shit , relying on medicine to sustain existence. Their wives usually fuck around with an alpha behind their backs , because women need a man who is confident and can strut. Otherwise you are a weak pussy that a mountain lion would pounce on ...


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Re: a "real man" [Re: eehoo]
    #22459350 - 10/31/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

eehoo, I'm not sure things are quite that black and white.


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Re: a "real man" [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #22459713 - 10/31/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

*poke poke* Seems like real men in here to me.

I honestly lurk in this part of the boards the most, but feel really self conscious about posting here as a woman. Mainly because there aren't really other females who post here on the subjects. And also because I find that I have very conflicting thoughts on the subjects here than the majority. It'd probably make me melt because it would become too much. Haha

I honestly couldn't even define what a 'real man' is. But for me, it's more of how I feel around one. I think it's mainly seeing them self-assured in their life and going about everyday. It's this protective and manly feeling that a woman/man feels safe with them. Almost heroic in a way. I honestly think that most men are already like this... you can definitely see it when a man has something to live for, even if for morals or love... I think it's mainly an acquired quality and not really subjective to being born with it. Whatever. I think when people talk about it now... it's just.. a manly stereotype of physicality mixed with the 'good man' qualities that you all have talked about. When women talk about the 'real men', it's just that... a good guy and then we joke and faun over their manly physicalities. There's also the whole cultural differences of what a 'real man' would be to each sexes in different cultures. Material wealth, confidence, alpha status, work habits, passionate, althetic, morally sound.... all of these are different to the definition, if there is one, depending on where you are. I also see it as somehow... being a man versus being a boy. I guess when you're no longer a boy, or naive or fragile like one, then you're a real man. ?? 

Of course, these are still tangible for women as well. You are a real women, when you are no longer a girl.

I think you guys are thinking way too hard about this. Now I'm thinking way too hard about this. haha

I'm going to end it like this... being a real man is gaining the experience of manhood. Being a real woman is gaining the experience of womanhood. Acquiring the confidence of the life you choose to live, sexually/mentally experiencing to know your own body and trust others with your love, learning to be protective and vulnerable when need be. And being happy in your life by being true to yourself. You don't need a fancy job or fancy materialistic things... you don't even need anyone by your side. You can already have had the experiences you wished to live, and you can already be confident that if you haven't you may get them in the future. Perhaps it's hard to state someone really is a real person after all until they are near the end of their life or gone and you can state it during reminiscing. Or maybe it's when you see that glimmer of them during a point in their life where they take charge and are sure and welcoming to the experience.

Does that make sense? Am I backwards yet?


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Re: a "real man" [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22460060 - 11/01/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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eehoo, I'm not sure things are quite that black and white.



It does get more complicated but that basic animalistic system is always ingrained in us. Please point out one beautiful woman who has a man that walks like a wounded gazelle and is afraid of everything. Why would they want that


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Re: a "real man" [Re: eehoo]
    #22460074 - 11/01/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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eehoo, I'm not sure things are quite that black and white.



It does get more complicated but that basic animalistic system is always ingrained in us. Please point out one beautiful woman who has a man that walks like a wounded gazelle and is afraid of everything. Why would they want that



thats why u gotta :yesnod:


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Re: a "real man" [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #22460501 - 11/01/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Can't run away from yourself.



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Re: a "real man" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #22460590 - 11/01/15 05:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
I'm quite disappointed we didn't get more female input in this thread.



Me too. I've been hanging around this sub-forum for years though and see very few women here. The whole shroomery is male dominated but I still wonder why we get so few women on PS&P.




Hmm, I wonder why?


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Watched a video the other day wherein this woman was bitching about gender bias and how men objectified women non-stop. Ironically, she had perfect hair and make-up and showed the maximum amount of cleavage possible.




You do realise that a woman have a right to look however she wants to, in whatever way makes her feel good, including to look as sexy as she wants? And that that does not mean that she should be objectified? You may well find it provocative to see women like that, but that by no means entails that you should objectify her and only see her only for her body.


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Re: a "real man" [Re: jimiandtheshroom27]
    #22460597 - 11/01/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Imagine shroomery was 50% women.. if paradise could exist on the internet, that would
be it...

There is a ladies forum, we could ask them what they think about op...


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Re: a "real man" [Re: eehoo]
    #22460601 - 11/01/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Please point out one beautiful woman who has a man that walks like a wounded gazelle and is afraid of everything. Why would they want that




I actually know of a handful of beautiful women who have stayed with male partners who were alot more timid. I've talked about this with one of them, who wouldn't be offended, just to know if I guessed right. She told me it's bc she has a really assertive personality and didn't want an abrasive male equal to her. She wanted someone who gushed and loved her and admired her. Just like how she admires her significant other for his sensitivity and caring ways. Also we talked about how some women have more sensitive males as partners bc they could be overly motherly in their personalities. So they wanted to take care of the man... with most everything.

We're you thinking about powerful beautiful women for your comment? Bc I don't think equal attractiveness is usually worldwide when finding a partner. I mean... it's about love right? Haha


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Re: a "real man" [Re: pachoo]
    #22460616 - 11/01/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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eehoo said:
Please point out one beautiful woman who has a man that walks like a wounded gazelle and is afraid of everything. Why would they want that




I actually know of a handful of beautiful women who have stayed with male partners who were alot more timid. I've talked about this with one of them, who wouldn't be offended, just to know if I guessed right. She told me it's bc she has a really assertive personality and didn't want an abrasive male equal to her. She wanted someone who gushed and loved her and admired her. Just like how she admires her significant other for his sensitivity and caring ways. Also we talked about how some women have more sensitive males as partners bc they could be overly motherly in their personalities. So they wanted to take care of the man... with most everything.

We're you thinking about powerful beautiful women for your comment? Bc I don't think equal attractiveness is usually worldwide when finding a partner. I mean... it's about love right? Haha




Pachoo! I've heard women say they like shy guys because it makes them
feel more secure and comfortable etc.  This was on a womans
forum (I'm trying to learn their secrets).  The hearts of people
come in many different flavors, hell, I even heard of a hotty
who had a Mr. Burns fetish.  Having the belief that beautiful
women only want a guy with specific qualities is self-defeating.
And that goes with women too.


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Re: a "real man" [Re: Hobozen]
    #22460618 - 11/01/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: a "real man" [Re: Hobozen]
    #22460831 - 11/01/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I find the term "real man" slightly ridiculous, im pretty sure it came about from women who werent satisfied sexually with whatever man they had married, and came up with the "real man" fantasy..leading them to cheat with whoever could "out-man" their man.

Much of being a "real man", to a woman, is being able to fuck her, good.

Much of being a "real man", to guys, is a bit of the above coupled with handling your business and not being a pussy.


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Re: a "real man" [Re: hTx]
    #22460844 - 11/01/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

A reeeaal man is a master of sexual kung fu


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Re: a "real man" [Re: hTx]
    #22460854 - 11/01/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I find the term "real man" slightly ridiculous, im pretty sure it came about from women who werent satisfied sexually with whatever man they had married, and came up with the "real man" fantasy..leading them to cheat with whoever could "out-man" their man.

Much of being a "real man", to a woman, is being able to fuck her, good.

Much of being a "real man", to guys, is a bit of the above coupled with handling your business and not being a pussy.



I think its a comical way of saying you are better.

I mean, look how this would make someone feel:
"Im a Real....REAAL Man...and your just a little fucking bitch!"


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Re: a "real man" [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22460887 - 11/01/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Or a way of describing one's ideal partner.  What would our ideal partner be other
than real?  Not fake...  What's real to one is fake to another..
Would that make this whole thing, ultimately unreal?
Except for Scarlett Johansson, she's obectively real :yesnod:


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