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OrgoneConclusion
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One who has, and is fully attempting to, brave all their inner deamons, to the fullest extent they can
Twin flame encounter survivors like OC and JSB!
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DieCommie

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Jokeshopbeard said: I see two distinct directions in definition occurring here;
1. Macho/Alpha 2. One who takes care of family/friends/himself
I think most who buy into the real man idea would see those as the same. Being alpha is how you take care of your family.
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How about this as a third facet?
3. One who has, and is fully attempting to, brave all their inner deamons, to the fullest extent they can
I don't buy it for the same reason I was skeptical of another definition above. This is not unique to men and is something that both men and women face. Being a "real man" is defined by the man part, its an expectation that is exclusively applied toward men. Otherwise, its just being real or something else completely.
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Jokeshopbeard
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DieCommie said:
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Jokeshopbeard said: How about this as a third facet?
3. One who has, and is fully attempting to, brave all their inner deamons, to the fullest extent they can
I don't buy it for the same reason I was skeptical of another definition above. This is not unique to men and is something that both men and women face. Being a "real man" is defined by the man part, its an expectation that is exclusively applied toward men. Otherwise, its just being real or something else completely.
Do you think an equal percentage of men and women go through this? I honestly don't know, but it would seem history seems to be filled with more men that have, and have come to tell the tale. Maybe an equal number of women have, but they just don't shout about it?
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Jokeshopbeard
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One who has, and is fully attempting to, brave all their inner deamons, to the fullest extent they can
Twin flame encounter survivors like OC and JSB! 
Yeah you're bloody right about that! Oddly enough, after I finished work tonight (at midnight) I didn't feel like going home to an empty house, so I parked my bike up on Camden high street for a few hours (it's like the alternative scene go-to place in London) and tried to spark up a few conversations. The best I had was (invariably) with a homeless dude (they're always such great people to talk to!), and after 20 or so minutes talking I deduced he was having the TF experience with his partner. It's incredible how measurable it is when you know it; it's almost like you can spot it before they've even told you the symptoms; like it's in their eyes.
My ego tells me I sound mildly demented when I say that.
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DieCommie

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Not much history written about women in general, because of patriarchy, oppression, and the like. I'm not sure, maybe women simply have less inner demons. At first thought I would think both men and women have that basic experience/struggle, but manifested and addressed in different ways.
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I am having a 46 long strait jacket custom made for you as we speak. You will love the fit!
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Jokeshopbeard
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DieCommie said:At first thought I would think both men and women have that basic experience/struggle, but manifested and addressed in different ways.
That's a very interesting thought. I've always struggled with empathy, and am very masculine, so it's a fucker tryna consider how different it may be.
We could do with a few female voices in this conversation! I guess your suggestion would take into account why we seem to have less here. Places like this always seem male dominated. I guess men have a tendency to search for answers in this way?
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OrgoneConclusion said: I am having a 46 long strait jacket custom made for you as we speak. You will love the fit! 
Ah just put me out of my misery! The love doth scramble my brains! Methinks the deepest very nature of the human condition is pure love all of a sudden - I have truly, completely, and totally lost touch with reality it seems.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Jokeshopbeard said: and tried to spark up a few conversation and after 20 or so minutes talking I deduced he was having the TF experience with his partner it's almost like you can spot it before they've even told you the symptoms; like it's in their eyes.
My ego tells me I sound mildly demented when I say that.
You can see the flames in the reflection in their eyes.
BURN.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Why don't you just "grow a pair?"
Seems we just covered this whole topic very recently. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22240243/fpart/1/vc/1
was gonna say, deja vu
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Re: a "real man" [Re: SleepyE]
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Outlaw Man. Outlaws were real men.
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Unless your everyday look personifies one of the village people you are not a real man.
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nuentoter said: Unless your everyday look personifies one of the village people you are not a real man.
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Lol..a real man..is ordered and refined..in categories divine..
So that what a man does he can feel about himself..that he does a good thing and therefore is called a good man..For example..
The necessary logic is that he is responsible..and what he says he acts on and doesn't just think and stew in his head..but actually interacts with people and family..
As an outgoing personality..he finds self actualization with people and events..and items..some could be drugs..or magical items casting spells as a wizard..for example.. People see the shaved man as a refined model or archetype.. and the bearded man as wise and natural..
The means of the day are that a man succeeds..in his will or to put it plainly..
: IS honest and happy..so that he does HIS OWN function and doesn't succumb to the demi urgos of the day..or the negative forces of life..
But refines himself..so that he from a stance of self mobilization continues to defeat his inner egos..towards the providence of the day.
IN total a man must be happy..and therefore if you are not happy..you must be honest to the degrees..so that you can understand..and other people can understand your position..so that they can help you..
If you have a problem..then recognize it...and from there you can begin to figure out how to fix it..But running away from things is only necessary in an objective that you need to run to save yourlife.. Like running from a natural disaster..or running away from a criminal..
You have to weigh the options..sometimes men are called to defend other people.. who are trying to run away from their problems and thus cast them out to other people..
I think men need a sense of Chutzpah..or else they can get boring..
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MajickMuffin said: Real Men are Strong, Honest, and Brave. -Stan Smith
See but, here's the thing: and women aren't? So far I've seen nothing in this thread indicating that this "real man" idea is not a myth.
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I agree with Brendan.
Also I think the same qualities in a female would make her a "real woman". No myth simply an archetype that has evolved with culture and society while still holding the same core values.
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Well, I don't think "real woman" is an equivalent term to "real man." What we really need is some female voices and that's not happening. There is nothing you can point to in the "archetype" that would not also correspond to a potential quality in a woman of integrity, thus, to my mind, undermining the whole notion of a "real man" completely. You're entitled to your opinion, but when someone sees a picture of John Wayne and says, "Now there's a real man," I'm not sure what the fuck they're even talking about. Which is why I use the word "myth." It seems we're talking about good husbands who put dinner on the table they have shot, or something. I don't see why someone a long way from a marriage or dependents could not be a "real" man, and I still don't think I've gotten a satisfactory definition that legitimately excludes women.
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Jokeshopbeard
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DieCommie said: I'm not sure, maybe women simply have less inner demons. At first thought I would think both men and women have that basic experience/struggle, but manifested and addressed in different ways.
How about this line of thinking DQ? Surely the inner world of each sex is plagued with different deamons, and as such being a real 'man' or 'woman' have very different connotations in action?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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