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PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half?
    #22448404 - 10/29/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Short story: PF Tek cakes, *very* consolidated (~3-4 weeks, rather than 1 week), don't want to pin in a SGFC

A few days ago someone suggested that perhaps the outside of the cakes was damaged, and that I might get pins if I cut them in half. Wise move?


Dates and steps taken:

8/14/15: Inoculated jars (1 syringe Penis Envy, 1 syringe PF amazonian cubensis). Placed in 80° incubator. Cakes took a few weeks to colonize, no contamination.
10/3/15: Took out of incubator and dunked. Cakes felt solid and hard, smelled like mushrooms. Dunking definitely increased their size significantly.
10/4/15: Rolled in verm, put cakes into shotgun fruiting chamber on top of aluminum foil squares. 3-4" of perlite on the bottom. Had some difficulty keeping humidity up, so I've closed ~75% of the holes with tape at this point. Temp is 66-70°.
10/14/15: Posted here, and followed advice to removed tape from my SGFC's holes. That's also when I moved my cakes out and resaturated the perlite, along with trimming the aluminum foil down so more of the perlite was exposed.
10/17/15: Based on advice from Shroomery, started misting the cakes a LOT more, and put my SGFC up on a stand so it got better air flow beneath it (used to only have an inch or two of space below it, now it's completely open). Humidity meter went up to 99% pretty consistently. SGFC smells slightly musty.
10/21/15: Based on new advice from Shroomery, re-dunked cakes for 24 hours.
10/29/15: Today! Pics look the same as they did a 4 days ago so I'll attach those. Folks here have been frequently saying "those cakes look dry," but I've been misting so that they're always glistening (and one of them almost always basically has standing water on top of it). After describing my misting routine folks told me to stop misting so much.




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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: sirion]
    #22448431 - 10/29/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Didn't read, was going to say they looked dry, then read it all, and now I don't know what to tell you really.  Don't cut them in half though.  Maybe they need to do a little more than glisten.


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: sirion]
    #22448481 - 10/29/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The cakes are no good man toss em out. Ur spores are probably no good if all cakes were the same.


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22448514 - 10/29/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Don't toss em yet dude. You have had them for two weeks after opening sgfc to proper specs. Give em time.
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6Silent9Knight6 said:
Ur spores are probably no good if all cakes were the same.



I highly doubt two separate syringes would both give non fruiting genetics at the same time.


Edited by PhlacidWeenis (10/29/15 09:47 AM)


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: PhlacidWeenis]
    #22448521 - 10/29/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't cut them in half or toss them. I would continue to mist and fan to see what would happen. I have had cakes take 3 weeks prior to pinning. When it did it exploded. :eek:


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22448523 - 10/29/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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6Silent9Knight6 said:
The cakes are no good man toss em out. Ur spores are probably no good if all cakes were the same.



I dont thnk the spores are the issue unless it isnt cube myc.but if they are 25 days is a long time 4 none of them 2 fruit. Is the evap rate 2 prominent.in other wrds are they requiring a misting more than 5 times a day if so tspe up some holes.whats ur climate like where u live. And whats ur fruiting temp. Lowering or raising a bit depending on variety. What are they.


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22448528 - 10/29/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Inocuole said:
Didn't read, was going to say they looked dry, then read it all, and now I don't know what to tell you really.  Don't cut them in half though.  Maybe they need to do a little more than glisten.




Look dry to me too ...


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22448544 - 10/29/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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if so tspe up some holes.whats ur climate like where u live. And whats ur fruiting temp. Lowering or raising a bit depending on variety. What are they.



He's already been told to remove tape from holes and stated fruiting temps. Did you even read the main post?

OP, just mist and wait. I just had some cakes pin that I birthed before yours. They were a bitch to keep wet and looked extremely dry most of the time. Patience.


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22448548 - 10/29/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Inocuole said:
Didn't read, was going to say they looked dry, then read it all, and now I don't know what to tell you really.  Don't cut them in half though.  Maybe they need to do a little more than glisten.




Look dry to me too ...



Agreed .2 me as well. Just becuz ur keeping them misted doesnt mean the myc cant recognize that the climate parameters are not ideal. If it senses the pattern of chronic dryness it says fuck that i aint comin out till i know im gnna stay moist for long enuff to keep my young alive. Basicly its waitin for the weather to be rite


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22448592 - 10/29/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What about that TEK where you drill a hole in the center and implant a straw as a water reservoir? Worth trying on 2-4 of them?


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: sirion]
    #22448594 - 10/29/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nope.  Just mist even more heavily than you are.


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22448598 - 10/29/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Do you fan your sgfc after heavy misting? You should heavy mist and fan a lot, huge trigger for pins to come. Also, I see some aborts.


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: sirion]
    #22448601 - 10/29/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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sirion said:
What about that TEK where you drill a hole in the center and implant a straw as a water reservoir? Worth trying on 2-4 of them?




I wouldn't do that ... maybe sprinkle a little more verm on them and keep them moist with frequent misting ... that's your best shot at getting them to fruit.


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22448727 - 10/29/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Get a small fan in the room. Start misting and fanning a bit more. I've had cakes take forever as well. You'll get fruits just a matter of dialing that sgfc in and climate. I don't put any holes in the sgfc anymore. Seemed everything I did something wouldn't work right. It'll get there bro..


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: PhlacidWeenis]
    #22448748 - 10/29/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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PhlacidWeenis said:
Don't toss em yet dude. You have had them for two weeks after opening sgfc to proper specs. Give em time.
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6Silent9Knight6 said:
Ur spores are probably no good if all cakes were the same.



I highly doubt two separate syringes would both give non fruiting genetics at the same time.






The cakes don't really care about the right fruiting parameters... They will fruit in jars if they have to. Imo, 25 days after birthing is way too long but I have heard that penis envies take their sweet ass time to fruit but then I don't see why the amazonians would take just as long either... leading to my conclusion that both syringes, if provided by the same vendor, could be bunk.


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22448773 - 10/29/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Vendor should be pretty good; it's the most birdlike of our site sponsors. The only wrinkle in that is that they spent extra long during the shipping process. Still, I imagine that if the shipping process damaged the spores, they wouldn't colonize...it's not going to change their genetics..


Regarding extra misting and fanning: Responses to my last thread eventually landed on "you're misting too much" and "stop fanning" and "make sure you don't have a fan on in the room." Basically the opposite of what I'm hearing here. So...which is it?


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: MadSeasonStudent]
    #22448779 - 10/29/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Get a small fan in the room. Start misting and fanning a bit more. I've had cakes take forever as well. You'll get fruits just a matter of dialing that sgfc in and climate. I don't put any holes in the sgfc anymore. Seemed everything I did something wouldn't work right. It'll get there bro..





Using a fan in the room for a FC was a bad idea when I tried it. The perlite and cakes dried out really fast. When I minimized the air current in the room I was able to maintain the RH in the room and the FC


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: sirion]
    #22448785 - 10/29/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Like I said... They don't give a hoot about the right fruiting parameters. If you have a set of good genetics they'll be growing in the jars.

Vendors really need to step up their game around here lately, imo. They are not perfect just because they are a sponsor. I'd get on their ass about it.


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: rudeboi]
    #22449021 - 10/29/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Get a small fan in the room. Start misting and fanning a bit more. I've had cakes take forever as well. You'll get fruits just a matter of dialing that sgfc in and climate. I don't put any holes in the sgfc anymore. Seemed everything I did something wouldn't work right. It'll get there bro..





Using a fan in the room for a FC was a bad idea when I tried it. The perlite and cakes dried out really fast. When I minimized the air current in the room I was able to maintain the RH in the room and the FC




spot on dude! the sgfc creates its own currents, a fan fucks it up!
just be patient, dont do anything stupid like cutting them in half.
your fc lacks some perlite but that shouldn't matter, you'll only have to mist more often.

just give the cakes a light mist until they glisten with moisture, use the sgfc lid to fan out wet air for a cpl seconds, lid back on.

and don't listen to the dude who believes in "bad trip genetics", he's a lost cause :wink:
you got healthy myc on all cakes, I cant see anything nasty on either of them. the birdlike man is an awesome man :super:


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22449109 - 10/29/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

@spacechildo: When's too long to be waiting? If I'm still fanning and misting after, say, 40-50 days, are these cakes doomed?


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: sirion]
    #22449162 - 10/29/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

up to you man. as long as they dont contam just keep at it.
I hope you've taken the tape off the sgfc holes now?

I'd start some new stuff if I were you.


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Re: PFTek Day 25 after dunk, no pins...should I cut in half? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22449729 - 10/29/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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up to you man. as long as they dont contam just keep at it.
I hope you've taken the tape off the sgfc holes now?

I'd start some new stuff if I were you.



Tru that i had 3 cakes do that once and on the 4th week i was gnna toss but said to hell ill keepem goin 2 c if they ever do.and on week 7 they fruited. Not great but still pulled thru


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