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enlightened seed
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if you do not like it, then leave.
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of course communications are observed, most if not all the time. for some reason some people want to bring destruction to the U.S. so as long as the observers do not abuse their power and use commonsense it is probably a good thing. living in the U.S. has a lot more benefits than living in a third would country. maybe one day it will become a Utopian society.
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"shitting your pants is better than shitting a dress"
That's how I read that.
Utopia. LOL. How high are you? Have you ever been to newark? Oakland? Bridgeport? Chicago? Cleveland? Canton?
For there to be a utopia there would have to be a lot of horrible things happen first. This country is a shit show. I'd rather not like it, and stay and help fix it though. Your idea of "Like it or leave it" is very nazi esq
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Re: if you do not like it, then leave. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#22454269 - 10/30/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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When it comes to mass surveillance, how do you distinguish between acceptable and unacceptable? Judging from your post, would it be fair to say that you think monitoring all electronic communication is acceptable?
Would it make a difference if your communications were always actively monitored instead of just stored, indexed, and cross referenced as they are now? By that, I mean that a living person is always listening.
If the active listener is acceptable, would you be happy with your home being bugged and monitored in addition to your phone calls and internet activity? What if your web cams were always on as well? How about a telescreen?
What if you had an intelligence agent assigned to follow you while you're in public? What about in private? What if your private thoughts were monitored as well?
No one would be OK with the most extreme end of this escalating chain, so where did you draw your line? Why there?
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Re: if you do not like it, then leave. [Re: Bacchus]
#22454584 - 10/30/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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"they" do not have enough man power to listen to everyone's communications but technology is making it easy to profile individuals. for example, smart phones can tell you how many steps you have taken. i suppose it is a difficult topic but i do not think it is a bad thing seeing how "they" are mostly out to stop terrorism. and there are a lot of cases where "they" have stopped terrorists, or suspected terrorists.
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Re: if you do not like it, then leave. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#22454594 - 10/30/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: "shitting your pants is better than shitting a dress"
That's how I read that.
Utopia. LOL. How high are you? Have you ever been to newark? Oakland? Bridgeport? Chicago? Cleveland? Canton?
For there to be a utopia there would have to be a lot of horrible things happen first. This country is a shit show. I'd rather not like it, and stay and help fix it though. Your idea of "Like it or leave it" is very nazi esq
things are the way they are for a reason
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Neither can they read minds.
Did you miss the point or are you just unwilling to examine your philosophy on government surveillance? "if you do not like it, then leave." is taking a very strong stance, and I think you should back it up with a little thought if you want to be taken seriously.
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enlightened seed said: of course communications are observed, most if not all the time. for some reason some people want to bring destruction to the U.S. so as long as the observers do not abuse their power and use commonsense it is probably a good thing. living in the U.S. has a lot more benefits than living in a third would country. maybe one day it will become a Utopian society.
You are a good little NAZI 
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Re: if you do not like it, then leave. [Re: Vitalux]
#22457210 - 10/31/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol my ancestors came from germany nearly a couple hundred years before the nazi movment.
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enlightened seed said: lol my ancestors came from germany nearly a couple hundred years before the nazi movment.
Well that helps to explain your reason for taking a Nazi attitude about people's right to be in opposition to various degrees of oppression.
While I tend to advocate that Germany got totally fucked over and no real gassing of Jews, nor a holocaust etc, did not happen in World War two, Germany did not really lose the war, they just moved to America.
We, you and I and each other are not the real enemy.
The enemy of the world are so well hidden, so well organized, that I don't think we have much change of taking them down. The most we can hope for is a mass awakening in the present deception.
By the way, the Earth is flat
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Re: if you do not like it, then leave. [Re: Vitalux]
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enlightened seed said: lol my ancestors came from germany nearly a couple hundred years before the nazi movment.
Well that helps to explain your reason for taking a Nazi attitude about people's right to be in opposition to various degrees of oppression.
While I tend to advocate that Germany got totally fucked over and no real gassing of Jews, nor a holocaust etc, did not happen in World War two, Germany did not really lose the war, they just moved to America.
We, you and I and each other are not the real enemy.
The enemy of the world are so well hidden, so well organized, that I don't think we have much change of taking them down. The most we can hope for is a mass awakening in the present deception.
By the way, the Earth is flat 
i think that there was more to world war two than most people think. it was funded by the peoples ancestors that eventually took their place in "top positions" and those people acquired a lot of things, including patents. yeah, then the nazis(well some of them came to america) and some were already here 
hey you never know, the earth might just be flat.
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Because you refuse to engage in meaningful discussion, I conclude that you are a TROLL.
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Re: if you do not like it, then leave. [Re: Bacchus]
#22459149 - 10/31/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bacchus said: Because you refuse to engage in meaningful discussion, I conclude that you are a TROLL.
just because you think a discussion is unmeaningful does not mean it is besides a troll is a supernatural being.
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Bacchus said: Because you refuse to engage in meaningful discussion, I conclude that you are a TROLL.
just because you think a discussion is unmeaningful does not mean it is besides a troll is a supernatural being.
It is the nature of this section. I must admit, it is pretty relaxed in that the moderators allow a lot of discussion in various subjects to play out.
The trick is to separate the paid shills from the ones that lack sufficient experience to break away from that mass brainwashing that was imprinted from societal conditioning.
The can't reason because in school they were taught to parrot the things they were told without question.
Forgive them, for they lack direct experience to know they were lied too.
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Re: if you do not like it, then leave. [Re: Vitalux]
#22459209 - 10/31/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bacchus said: Because you refuse to engage in meaningful discussion, I conclude that you are a TROLL.
just because you think a discussion is unmeaningful does not mean it is besides a troll is a supernatural being.
It is the nature of this section. I must admit, it is pretty relaxed in that the moderators allow a lot of discussion in various subjects to play out.
The trick is to separate the paid shills from the ones that lack sufficient experience to break away from that mass brainwashing that was imprinted from societal conditioning.
The can't reason because in school they were taught to parrot the things they were told without question.
Forgive them, for they lack direct experience to know they were lied too. 
could you please elaborate on your thoughts?
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could you please elaborate on your thoughts?
The deception started way back at the time we went to grade school. We were trained in an environment where we were rewarded with a smile, and a pat on the head when all our questions related to us regurgitating the information we were taught.
If we failed, ridicule, condemnation and often a trip to the principle office was the result.
Simply put, we have been programmed and brainwashed, and this type of thought control is continual. We have learned to police ourselves by attacking those whose do not think like we do.
Ask yourself a simple question.....by what reason of insanity do they make little children plead allegiance to a flag every morning at school? Do the children really understand the scope of exactly what they are doing? I think not.
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Re: if you do not like it, then leave. [Re: Vitalux]
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It's your basic Ideological State Apparatus or institution. Of course they will follow orders from those they're told to listen to. Attendance and participation is mandatory/compulsory. See: Churches, military (albeit different means).
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Re: if you do not like it, then leave. [Re: Adden]
#22471990 - 11/03/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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^ To be clear, this isn't nutter theory, it's widely established societal behavior. There seems to be a fine line on this website between conspiracy and rambling. Just clearing the air.
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Re: if you do not like it, then leave. [Re: Adden]
#22473769 - 11/03/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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This section has come a long way in the past couple few years. I recall when I first came in here, It was my observation that anyone offering any ideas about;
faked nasa Moon landings JFK assination chem trails 911 inside job fluoride in the drinking water and its toxic effects on health, etc
etc
etc
was ridiculed by Prisoner, and his band of loyal comrades..
At least now, there is a shift in numbers, and often more in our favor. Especially once it is understood that the moderators themselves tend to exhibit shill like tendencies. 
Child Bullied by Teacher For Not Pledging Allegiance to the Flag
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Re: if you do not like it, then leave. [Re: Vitalux]
#22474139 - 11/04/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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We better be in for a mass awakening. The system is fucked by design. But it is a noble lie that keeps the masses enslaved. In common circles people get angry when you try to tell them how the system is designed and operates.
Good to see some others interested in truth.
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Re: if you do not like it, then leave. [Re: Cookebot]
#22476367 - 11/04/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cookebot said: We better be in for a mass awakening. The system is fucked by design. But it is a noble lie that keeps the masses enslaved. In common circles people get angry when you try to tell them how the system is designed and operates.
Good to see some others interested in truth.
The weird part is, that the deeper one goes down the rabbit hole, you start to discover that all is working the way it appears intended to be.
Like a great plot in a movie, it gives the human experience great distraction.
Very spiritually orchestrated me is starting to thinks
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