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Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves?
    #22447670 - 10/29/15 02:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Serious question. I know some do, but there a bunch of people who are going to spend the rest of their life in prison. I know some won't do it for religious reasons, but that can't really make up the majority, can it? That's no kind of life to live and I imagine if I faced that, I would just end it. That's actually the biggest reason I think the death penalty shouldn't exist, it just releases them, spending your life in prison is the real punishment.

Is it weird to assume if I face no possibility of ever being free again I'd just off myself? Would you?


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip] * 3
    #22447673 - 10/29/15 02:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Because we're all in prisons of our own creation


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22447675 - 10/29/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Serious question. I know some do, but there a bunch of people who are going to spend the rest of their life in prison. I know some won't do it for religious reasons, but that can't really make up the majority, can it? That's no kind of life to live and I imagine if I faced that, I would just end it. That's actually the biggest reason I think the death penalty shouldn't exist, it just releases them, spending your life in prison is the real punishment.

Is it weird to assume if I face no possibility of ever being free again I'd just off myself? Would you?



I'm sure the drugs and alcohol would help, but I think i'd rather be dead than locked up for life :shrug:


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: madmodder]
    #22447679 - 10/29/15 02:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Some people like the idea of a very simple and bare bones, but taxpayer funded full retirement with all the bennies.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22447703 - 10/29/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Plus, they try to keep them from killing themselves.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22447707 - 10/29/15 02:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's not like it's hard to do.. May not be the most painless way to go out, but it's pretty easy. They've become masters of improvising deadly weapons, the only real reason there aren't more murders, is because they aren't as effective when someone is fighting back. Stab a sharpened tooth brush into your jugular at lights out, you're going to most likely bleed out before anyone could ever discover you.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22447713 - 10/29/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Humans are strong, and when youre in prison for life and you have no chance of getting out, your survival instincts kick in and you do whatever it takes to survive, if you dont know hustling, you'll learn it in prison.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22447727 - 10/29/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Seems like a really interesting topic to bring up, but I mean there could be so many reasons, really think about it;

1. Criminals are criminals, if they're in for life they did something about as dangerous (or as wrong and immoral) as spending the next 25 to life planning an escape.

2. The chance that someone might help them escape, how many prisons are ready for a full fledged attack from the outside?

3. And I would think this the most likely, they're afraid.

4. Because it's basically a paid vacation for life, you no longer need a job, if you're good you get free tv, a rec field to play games, 3 guaranteed hot meals a day, etc.

5. You don't care, you're the sort of person who can sit and space.

6. You're planning revenge, if you know people you can still get shit done from the inside.

7. Because of family

I mean the list could really just keep on going.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: J-Dubya]
    #22447750 - 10/29/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Most of that list is good.

I hate how people say criminals are getting a paid vacation though. It gets said a lot and it's just kind of absurd. The "vacation" isn't free, you pay for it in other ways, such as being stripped of all freedom as well as having to survive in a very hostile environment. Depending on your crime and just in general who you are, you may be subjected to regular beatings or worse. Not to mention what you're actually provided in there is nothing close to vacation like. Food is shit, beds are shit, people are shit, activities are shit the list just goes on. There is really no redeeming value you gain in prison you don't gain outside of it (In America anyways, I know there are some places in the world where prison is like a paradise). The more accurate description "free ride" is also kind of bunk IMO, as I pointed out above, it's not really free.

These arguments usually stem from people who complain they have to pay taxes to fund these people's incarcerations. They look at the dollar signs and nothing else. Prisoners don't really pay anything so they must be getting a free ride.. They don't really stop to consider that the prisoner IS paying, it's just not with money.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: J-Dubya]
    #22447753 - 10/29/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd be shawshanking my way out.

Would be a fucking awesome challenge.  A couple of my favourite prisons escape methods,

Fashion a bar of soap into a gun and paint it black with boot polish then convince a real guard to hand over his weapon.
Forge a prison officers uniform and walk out.

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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22447754 - 10/29/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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such as being stripped of all freedom as well as having to survive in a very hostile environment.




Sounds like getting a job


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: nice1returns]
    #22447757 - 10/29/15 03:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Also, life usually doesn't mean life. Most "lifers" get out in, like, 25 years.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22447762 - 10/29/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Most of that list is good.

I hate how people say criminals are getting a paid vacation though. It gets said a lot and it's just kind of absurd. The "vacation" isn't free, you pay for it in other ways...




This is true to a degree, I've met someone who said it wasn't bad at all (granted it was only 6 years), I've heard stories of people who write about how much they love prison (only 3). I've heard of people who get released, can't make it on their own so they kill someone to go back. (this is common)


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22447764 - 10/29/15 03:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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such as being stripped of all freedom as well as having to survive in a very hostile environment.




Sounds like getting a job



A job you're at for 8 hours a day, in prison, it's 24/7.
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Also, life usually doesn't mean life. Most "lifers" get out in, like, 25 years.



Which is why I added the stipulation of no possibility of parole. I'm strictly talking about the people who are guaranteed to stay in prison until they die. Hell extended it to death row inmates as well. Why wait around? As far as I'm aware, virtually all sentenced to death can only hope to get the sentence commuted to life in prison without parole. Maybe the innocent can cling to the hope they'll be proven innocent somehow, but a lot did their crime and know there's no way they're ever getting out.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: nice1returns]
    #22447830 - 10/29/15 04:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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such as being stripped of all freedom as well as having to survive in a very hostile environment.




Sounds like getting a job




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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: J-Dubya]
    #22447938 - 10/29/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Most of that list is good.

I hate how people say criminals are getting a paid vacation though...They don't really stop to consider that the prisoner IS paying, it's just not with money.



I'd guess people who think this way must have pretty shitty lives if they feel losing their freedom and being forced to live in such a place is better than having to deal with life as a freeman on the outside.


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4. Because it's basically a paid vacation for life, you no longer need a job, if you're good you get free tv, a rec field to play games, 3 guaranteed hot meals a day, etc.





Is your life so shitty that you think of prison as some sort of holiday camp?
Strewth. Fuck my old boots.

How about this guy>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34655025

I hope when they finally release this poor fucker they give him enough money to send him on a paid vacation for the rest of his life!


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: deucedbi9] * 1
    #22447950 - 10/29/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

When have you actually had enough? Human beings can endure the most unspeakable things and still want to life.

Take nazi concentration camps for instance. Very few people ran into the electric fence. You just keep hanging on one more day right up until the point 500 of you are crammed naked in a small stone cellar, the lights go out and from holes in the ceiling moist pellets reeking of burnt almond are tossed onto you. Then still you try to hold your breath and stay on top of the human mountain to try to escape the gas.

You just don't give up. Ever. The desire to live is very strong in most.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22447953 - 10/29/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If he's proven innocent and released, he has a payday coming. I don't want to say he's lucky, because nothing can really make up for all that time spent in there, but in some ways he is. People who have spent less time than him in there, and proven innocent, received several million dollars.

If he's smart, then yes, he can have a paid vacation for the rest of his life.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22448044 - 10/29/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have not read this thread at all, am about to go to work so don't have time, but I would think they the offenders would still have some attachment to their families, and this is reason enough to keep on keepin on.  Also many younger gang members are used by the older ones as "hot boys" or pretty much in prison gangs that do the dirty work for the gang, they want to rise up the ranks in their gang, for some this is a reason to keep on living.  They served their gang on the street, now serve it in prison, kids coming from backgrounds like that usually have nothing but the gang, so they feel like they should keep doing what they're doing to support their gang family, does that make sense I am in a rush to get out the door.

Not all prisons are how they are portrayed on TV, and some offer a great deal of freedom for inmates, even those that are violent offenders.

You should check out the black dolphin prison in Russia, this shit would make me want to off myself.



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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22448057 - 10/29/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not saying all prisons are sunshine and roses but as humans we make the most out of life and if your already spending life in prison you basically call the shots, you have nothing to lose unlike everybody else. You could stab, fight or kill anyone because you're already in for life. If you play your cards right and make the most of a bad situation then yeah, with some balls and will power it should be a paid vacation.

On the other end, if you're unlucky enough to land in some of the really rough prisons and the absolute worst scenario comes to light then holy shit. I didn't realize we were being children and going to the very extremes in these situations.. I'll be more broad in my responses because apparently my current one puts off the impression that I have a "Shitty life". Let's grow up and realize  prisons are run by the inmates, if there isn't a riot it's because an inmate didn't feel like starting one, if a guard is an asshole the inmates will kill him, life in prison is as bad as you let it be. If you embrace it and let it morph you into the criminal it's trying to then you'll be fine, if you fight it you'll end up pretty fucked up.

I think suicide only occurs when someone has lost hope, lost the hope of being happy again, seeing someone, of not being angry anymore, of anything really. It's sad really when someone has lost the will to want to live.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22448504 - 10/29/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

For some people, jail is as cozy as a home...

When I was in, a guy got a weekend release as he was getting close to the end of his sentence, he intentionally did not come back so he could get an escape charge and serve 2 more years.

They are comfortable there.  Free room & board.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22449671 - 10/29/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well, the way I see it is that the will to live is just too strong. Regardless of what free people who've never been locked up say, it's much better to live in a box than die in one.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace] * 1
    #22449750 - 10/29/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: RobZombie68]
    #22449804 - 10/29/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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For some people, jail is as cozy as a home...

When I was in, a guy got a weekend release as he was getting close to the end of his sentence, he intentionally did not come back so he could get an escape charge and serve 2 more years.

They are comfortable there.  Free room & board.




Also, this is a great point.

My father sees jail as nothing more than a vacation. But that's probably because they love him down there. Even after he robbed to police, they made him trustee and head of the kitchen :lol:


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22450542 - 10/29/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

At a county jail a kid hung himself after a short period of time. I do not believe it was for anything serious. I do not know. But it sure as hell shook the guard up. Treating people like they are nothing then wait a minute, it is supposed to matter in line with my beliefs. He was in a daze.

15 years ago and I will always remember it.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: nice1returns]
    #22452924 - 10/30/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22453027 - 10/30/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I train in yoga and meditation. The beauty is you can do both of those things in a prison cell, even in solitary confinement.

IF I was in prison I would try my hardest to meditate and do yoga constantly, thats how I would try to stay sane. When you think of it a prisoner in a cell is not that different from a monk in a monastery cell, the opportunity to focus on the inward spiritual path is potentially there...

I would probably go nuts though I cant imagine being in prison :sad:

But that is what I would try- meditate hours and hours a day and do yoga the rest of the time, become enlightened.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22458660 - 10/31/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah. Sounds great in theory. Does not work that way. The body and mind need stimulation. It is embedded in our DNA. So is movement.

Combine that with solitary you of course do not have quiet, or the ideal conditions for yoga and meditation, fast if you choose. The vents and fucked up vibes through the vents and surroundings.

Go throughout that, volunteer like a government employee did  for one night. And he changed his viewpoint. Get support and do it for public awareness just for two weeks. I would enjoy your input after that.

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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22458680 - 10/31/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Cuz they're full of resentment for the man and it sticks it to the man harder to cost them as much money as possible keeping you alive instead of doing them a favour and offing yourself.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Zombi3]
    #22458954 - 10/31/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly if I was in prison like that the thought that tax payers were keeping me alive after I wronged them so much would be enough irony to keep me going


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22459039 - 10/31/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Serious question. I know some do, but there a bunch of people who are going to spend the rest of their life in prison. I know some won't do it for religious reasons, but that can't really make up the majority, can it? That's no kind of life to live and I imagine if I faced that, I would just end it. That's actually the biggest reason I think the death penalty shouldn't exist, it just releases them, spending your life in prison is the real punishment.

Is it weird to assume if I face no possibility of ever being free again I'd just off myself? Would you?



A lot of convicts find some kind of contentment in their place in life. As strange as it sounds, people can be happy there, especially if they have remouse for their crime and know they got their just dessert, they can make peace with the situation and with their creator in heaven.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22459055 - 10/31/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
Serious question. I know some do, but there a bunch of people who are going to spend the rest of their life in prison. I know some won't do it for religious reasons, but that can't really make up the majority, can it? That's no kind of life to live and I imagine if I faced that, I would just end it. That's actually the biggest reason I think the death penalty shouldn't exist, it just releases them, spending your life in prison is the real punishment.

Is it weird to assume if I face no possibility of ever being free again I'd just off myself? Would you?




People assume this, but then the facts are like you say - they don't want to die.  Death is indeed worse than life in prison.  You should realize that you would probably feel this way too.  Its easy to glibly say you would rather die... but death is really, really scary and the urge to live is ingrained in our essence.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: DieCommie]
    #22469170 - 11/03/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Unless you are in Texas you should just wait it out. You will probably get a pardon or something down the road. Just wait for the democrats to win in your state. Charles Manson and his bitches are only still locked up because of the case's notoriety, almost all the people convicted in California of murder in early 70's have been released.
"Life" sounds all good and shit, but taking care of 80 year old inmates is expensive and they are low risk to re offend. Why not just let them out? And the end of the day most people don't have the stomach to keep geriatrics locked up, except in Texas, you are fucked in Texas.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22470026 - 11/03/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ive got a pretty weak drive to live, anything more than a couple years in prison id probly just off myself really


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: DieCommie]
    #22470060 - 11/03/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Meditation can lead to pure bliss.
This can be obtained in prison.

Even in solitary.

Better to attain enlightenment  Then commit suicide.

Plus you could read or write books, practice religion , draw, Master lucid dreaming etc.


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