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Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves?
    #22447670 - 10/29/15 02:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Serious question. I know some do, but there a bunch of people who are going to spend the rest of their life in prison. I know some won't do it for religious reasons, but that can't really make up the majority, can it? That's no kind of life to live and I imagine if I faced that, I would just end it. That's actually the biggest reason I think the death penalty shouldn't exist, it just releases them, spending your life in prison is the real punishment.

Is it weird to assume if I face no possibility of ever being free again I'd just off myself? Would you?


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip] * 3
    #22447673 - 10/29/15 02:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Because we're all in prisons of our own creation


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22447675 - 10/29/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Serious question. I know some do, but there a bunch of people who are going to spend the rest of their life in prison. I know some won't do it for religious reasons, but that can't really make up the majority, can it? That's no kind of life to live and I imagine if I faced that, I would just end it. That's actually the biggest reason I think the death penalty shouldn't exist, it just releases them, spending your life in prison is the real punishment.

Is it weird to assume if I face no possibility of ever being free again I'd just off myself? Would you?



I'm sure the drugs and alcohol would help, but I think i'd rather be dead than locked up for life :shrug:


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: madmodder]
    #22447679 - 10/29/15 02:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Some people like the idea of a very simple and bare bones, but taxpayer funded full retirement with all the bennies.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22447703 - 10/29/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Plus, they try to keep them from killing themselves.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22447707 - 10/29/15 02:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's not like it's hard to do.. May not be the most painless way to go out, but it's pretty easy. They've become masters of improvising deadly weapons, the only real reason there aren't more murders, is because they aren't as effective when someone is fighting back. Stab a sharpened tooth brush into your jugular at lights out, you're going to most likely bleed out before anyone could ever discover you.


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22447713 - 10/29/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Humans are strong, and when youre in prison for life and you have no chance of getting out, your survival instincts kick in and you do whatever it takes to survive, if you dont know hustling, you'll learn it in prison.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22447727 - 10/29/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Seems like a really interesting topic to bring up, but I mean there could be so many reasons, really think about it;

1. Criminals are criminals, if they're in for life they did something about as dangerous (or as wrong and immoral) as spending the next 25 to life planning an escape.

2. The chance that someone might help them escape, how many prisons are ready for a full fledged attack from the outside?

3. And I would think this the most likely, they're afraid.

4. Because it's basically a paid vacation for life, you no longer need a job, if you're good you get free tv, a rec field to play games, 3 guaranteed hot meals a day, etc.

5. You don't care, you're the sort of person who can sit and space.

6. You're planning revenge, if you know people you can still get shit done from the inside.

7. Because of family

I mean the list could really just keep on going.


Edited by J-Dubya (10/29/15 03:15 AM)


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: J-Dubya]
    #22447750 - 10/29/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Most of that list is good.

I hate how people say criminals are getting a paid vacation though. It gets said a lot and it's just kind of absurd. The "vacation" isn't free, you pay for it in other ways, such as being stripped of all freedom as well as having to survive in a very hostile environment. Depending on your crime and just in general who you are, you may be subjected to regular beatings or worse. Not to mention what you're actually provided in there is nothing close to vacation like. Food is shit, beds are shit, people are shit, activities are shit the list just goes on. There is really no redeeming value you gain in prison you don't gain outside of it (In America anyways, I know there are some places in the world where prison is like a paradise). The more accurate description "free ride" is also kind of bunk IMO, as I pointed out above, it's not really free.

These arguments usually stem from people who complain they have to pay taxes to fund these people's incarcerations. They look at the dollar signs and nothing else. Prisoners don't really pay anything so they must be getting a free ride.. They don't really stop to consider that the prisoner IS paying, it's just not with money.


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: J-Dubya]
    #22447753 - 10/29/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd be shawshanking my way out.

Would be a fucking awesome challenge.  A couple of my favourite prisons escape methods,

Fashion a bar of soap into a gun and paint it black with boot polish then convince a real guard to hand over his weapon.
Forge a prison officers uniform and walk out.

Escape from colditz :yesnod:


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22447754 - 10/29/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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such as being stripped of all freedom as well as having to survive in a very hostile environment.




Sounds like getting a job


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: nice1returns]
    #22447757 - 10/29/15 03:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Also, life usually doesn't mean life. Most "lifers" get out in, like, 25 years.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22447762 - 10/29/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Most of that list is good.

I hate how people say criminals are getting a paid vacation though. It gets said a lot and it's just kind of absurd. The "vacation" isn't free, you pay for it in other ways...




This is true to a degree, I've met someone who said it wasn't bad at all (granted it was only 6 years), I've heard stories of people who write about how much they love prison (only 3). I've heard of people who get released, can't make it on their own so they kill someone to go back. (this is common)


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22447764 - 10/29/15 03:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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such as being stripped of all freedom as well as having to survive in a very hostile environment.




Sounds like getting a job



A job you're at for 8 hours a day, in prison, it's 24/7.
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Also, life usually doesn't mean life. Most "lifers" get out in, like, 25 years.



Which is why I added the stipulation of no possibility of parole. I'm strictly talking about the people who are guaranteed to stay in prison until they die. Hell extended it to death row inmates as well. Why wait around? As far as I'm aware, virtually all sentenced to death can only hope to get the sentence commuted to life in prison without parole. Maybe the innocent can cling to the hope they'll be proven innocent somehow, but a lot did their crime and know there's no way they're ever getting out.


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: nice1returns]
    #22447830 - 10/29/15 04:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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such as being stripped of all freedom as well as having to survive in a very hostile environment.




Sounds like getting a job




Good call


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: J-Dubya]
    #22447938 - 10/29/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
Most of that list is good.

I hate how people say criminals are getting a paid vacation though...They don't really stop to consider that the prisoner IS paying, it's just not with money.



I'd guess people who think this way must have pretty shitty lives if they feel losing their freedom and being forced to live in such a place is better than having to deal with life as a freeman on the outside.


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4. Because it's basically a paid vacation for life, you no longer need a job, if you're good you get free tv, a rec field to play games, 3 guaranteed hot meals a day, etc.





Is your life so shitty that you think of prison as some sort of holiday camp?
Strewth. Fuck my old boots.

How about this guy>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34655025

I hope when they finally release this poor fucker they give him enough money to send him on a paid vacation for the rest of his life!


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: deucedbi9] * 1
    #22447950 - 10/29/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

When have you actually had enough? Human beings can endure the most unspeakable things and still want to life.

Take nazi concentration camps for instance. Very few people ran into the electric fence. You just keep hanging on one more day right up until the point 500 of you are crammed naked in a small stone cellar, the lights go out and from holes in the ceiling moist pellets reeking of burnt almond are tossed onto you. Then still you try to hold your breath and stay on top of the human mountain to try to escape the gas.

You just don't give up. Ever. The desire to live is very strong in most.


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: deucedbi9]
    #22447953 - 10/29/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If he's proven innocent and released, he has a payday coming. I don't want to say he's lucky, because nothing can really make up for all that time spent in there, but in some ways he is. People who have spent less time than him in there, and proven innocent, received several million dollars.

If he's smart, then yes, he can have a paid vacation for the rest of his life.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22448044 - 10/29/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have not read this thread at all, am about to go to work so don't have time, but I would think they the offenders would still have some attachment to their families, and this is reason enough to keep on keepin on.  Also many younger gang members are used by the older ones as "hot boys" or pretty much in prison gangs that do the dirty work for the gang, they want to rise up the ranks in their gang, for some this is a reason to keep on living.  They served their gang on the street, now serve it in prison, kids coming from backgrounds like that usually have nothing but the gang, so they feel like they should keep doing what they're doing to support their gang family, does that make sense I am in a rush to get out the door.

Not all prisons are how they are portrayed on TV, and some offer a great deal of freedom for inmates, even those that are violent offenders.

You should check out the black dolphin prison in Russia, this shit would make me want to off myself.



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Re: Why don't people with life in prison and no chance of parole kill themselves? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22448057 - 10/29/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not saying all prisons are sunshine and roses but as humans we make the most out of life and if your already spending life in prison you basically call the shots, you have nothing to lose unlike everybody else. You could stab, fight or kill anyone because you're already in for life. If you play your cards right and make the most of a bad situation then yeah, with some balls and will power it should be a paid vacation.

On the other end, if you're unlucky enough to land in some of the really rough prisons and the absolute worst scenario comes to light then holy shit. I didn't realize we were being children and going to the very extremes in these situations.. I'll be more broad in my responses because apparently my current one puts off the impression that I have a "Shitty life". Let's grow up and realize  prisons are run by the inmates, if there isn't a riot it's because an inmate didn't feel like starting one, if a guard is an asshole the inmates will kill him, life in prison is as bad as you let it be. If you embrace it and let it morph you into the criminal it's trying to then you'll be fine, if you fight it you'll end up pretty fucked up.

I think suicide only occurs when someone has lost hope, lost the hope of being happy again, seeing someone, of not being angry anymore, of anything really. It's sad really when someone has lost the will to want to live.


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