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Mad Season
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The stop buying grow kits thread!! 5
#22447669 - 10/29/15 02:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sure a noobie reading this is all like dude I want to do it the easy way!
But you've been/will be had! Take the moment to reconsider your decision...
To the pros: I know there's an official grow kits suck thread, but this is an actual comparison for the silly noobs who think we're bashing them and get all defensive.
Yes that is a meat thermometer in a substrate. It is to help monitor the substrate temperature so it won't overheat from the heating pad... 
The acceptable temperature for EVERY aspect of this hobby is 65-75F OUTSIDE the tray (keep the meat thermometer for steak and pasteurizing) 69-75 I've noticed no differences in colonization rates. Lower temps will keep any contams at bay for longer. That's why 65-75 is acceptable. Heating pads will cook your substrate from the bottom.
Kits also try to say light is bad. Indirect sunlight is great at all stages! Use a 6500K (optional) during fruiting!
   
Look at this one. Fuckin drowning hydroton in a box with a pump they make you inoculate the jars in foil shit.. Costs $120+...
You seriously might as well do pf tek, or follow mushroom videos. For the same price as those 3 cakes you could EASILY have 2-3 terrariums (sgfcs) going filled to the brim.. Like this:

Not to mention that would feel satisfying as fuck when you get that.
Another main reason grow kits suck is because of the lack of fresh air exchange (FAE)
Here's a growkit:
Here's another:
  
Here's another:

Here's another:

Notice there's filters all around the bag, but it has nowhere near enough fae. Despite what the enticing pics show on the box, there's tiny ass caps and long spindly stems with super fuzz up the stems (fuzzy feet).. Idk about you, but to me fuzzy feet taste like super shit on an already shitty tasting mushroom. Believe it or not, these mushrooms are done. They will no longer grow. That's how important fae is! That's how much you get ripped off..
Here's what a proper terrarium does when I used trays:
   
Lastly, you think grow kits have everything sterile...
 
You'd be shocked how many aren't. They also like to blame you for any contams, when really it's their fault for not being sterile... Things they don't tell you is ime contams come from bad spawn. Something noobs have no control over. Unless you did it yourself... 
Please just consider putting half the money down to get results literally 100x better.. use the search function properly, and follow a tek!
Edited by Mad Season (07/21/16 11:39 AM)
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22447774 - 10/29/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
#22447809 - 10/29/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22447814 - 10/29/15 04:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel like they can make a lot of sense in some cases, especially in countries where colonized material can be purchased. Not everyone has the time for this or wants to invest it. Lots of kits just seem to come with a lot of dumb fruiting equipment and instruction.
Just getting a colonized muda bottle in the mail then sticking a bag over the top would be quite an upgrade to whatever someone would have to shell out for the goods. The cost of spore prints/syringes can be factored out of the cost as well, if someone wants to use them, or even take the initiative to clone.
Now wherever the fuck these crazy automated computer fan terrariums are coming from... Congratulations n00bs, you just spent 2 hours and $50 building something that has a 95% chance of being worse than an unmodified tote.
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No, this does not look right...
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the driver said "hey man, we go all the way"
Of course we were willing to pay!!!!
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: blindingleaf]
#22447868 - 10/29/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is so easy to grow healthy mushrooms invitro, it just makes no sense at all for a person new to the hobby to get complicated "automated" growing systems.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22447946 - 10/29/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: 13shrooms]
#22448146 - 10/29/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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so what would a better kit look like? if all these kits suck so hard, and yet people keep buying them, sounds like somebody could make some money.
ill bet we can come up with something much better.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: DaveyJones6911] 1
#22448163 - 10/29/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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DaveyJones6911 said: so what would a better kit look like? if all these kits suck so hard, and yet people keep buying them, sounds like somebody could make some money.
ill bet we can come up with something much better.
no. the whole concept of a kit is null because "pre-sterilizatized," anything is garbage.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
#22448184 - 10/29/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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DaveyJones6911 said: so what would a better kit look like? if all these kits suck so hard, and yet people keep buying them, sounds like somebody could make some money.
ill bet we can come up with something much better.
no. the whole concept of a kit is null because "pre-sterilizatized," anything is garbage.
theres some sponsors that sell pre-sterilized stuff like grains and manure mixes and stuff. its pretty awesome.. the grow kit thing is stupid. sending pf jars in the mail? lol and air pumps and shit? yeah thats a waste. its a fish tank kit without fish. lol
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
#22448186 - 10/29/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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my Midwest Grow Kit
  
first grow after making a proper SGFC
  
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
#22448192 - 10/29/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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DaveyJones6911 said: so what would a better kit look like? if all these kits suck so hard, and yet people keep buying them, sounds like somebody could make some money.
ill bet we can come up with something much better.
no. the whole concept of a kit is null because "pre-sterilizatized," anything is garbage.
so then something that doesn't have anything pre-sterilised. like say: a pre drilled monotub, bag of colonised substrate (most kits i have seen come with this), bag of casing material (sterility is not critical for casings right?), polyfill for the holes or something of a pre-stuffed thing they can just screw into the holes, pre-shaped liner and a 65000k light bulb.
set up should be easy and results should be quite good.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
#22448199 - 10/29/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I cant believe that grow kit cost 120$ i figured out roughly how much a monotub costs me the other day and it was about 3$ not including energy costs just materials... im surprised someone hasn't come up with a monotub kit yet now that i think about it
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: desr]
#22448200 - 10/29/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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DaveyJones6911 said: so what would a better kit look like? if all these kits suck so hard, and yet people keep buying them, sounds like somebody could make some money.
ill bet we can come up with something much better.
no. the whole concept of a kit is null because "pre-sterilizatized," anything is garbage.
theres some sponsors that sell pre-sterilized stuff like grains and manure mixes and stuff. its pretty awesome.. the grow kit thing is stupid. sending pf jars in the mail? lol and air pumps and shit? yeah thats a waste. its a fish tank kit without fish. lol
I've bought several hundred dollars worth of presterilized rye from TMS (RIP). Wouldn't waste another penny on the stuff.
The reason presterilized anything is garbage, is because a 2 hour PC cycle will only damage endospores. They will eventually recover. We only have like a 2 week window to introduce our cultures. It would take a 24+ hour cycle to completely kill all endospores and create a truly sterile spawn. So, when you order online, you honestly have no idea how much of that window is left. Even if they make it when you order it, you are still looking at like a week off that window because shipping times.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
#22448585 - 10/29/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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A foolproof kit to make a clean multi-spore LC with guaranteed clean spores would be a winner, I'd think. A good quality LC makes everything much easier ... Then you could start with Muda Bottles (or similar) and bypass PFTek Completely.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22448588 - 10/29/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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These threads always end up talking about making kits instead of how shitty the ones that people usually come across are.
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Mad Season
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DaveyJones6911 said: Set up should be easy and results should be quite good.
Yeah but kits dont have that. Noobs don't know what's supposed to be proper fruiting conditions. Even the best kit I've ever seen is easily out performed in yield and cost by my worse grows.
It costs $50 to start up pf tek. That hydro shit is $120+. It costed me $80ish to get a monotub setup. PC included. The materials in that $80 could easily make 10 tubs.
Can kits perform well? Of course, but every single aspect is worse compared to doing it yourself.
Also munch thanks for the suggestion on the presterilized shit. Added to the op.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
#22448649 - 10/29/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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great stuff mad!
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
#22448657 - 10/29/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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theres a sponsor that sells sterilized manure mixes, (among other sterilized substrates and mixes) them shits work awesome and the shipping was under 4 days. also their customer service is really awesome. shout out mike. lol
also i just went on midwest grow kits site, im not too familiar with grow kit prices, but $100??$140?? thats frickin ridiculous. materials for 10 times that harvest amount arent expensive at all. lastly, is that hydroton pic for real? lol
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22448661 - 10/29/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad Season said:
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DaveyJones6911 said: Set up should be easy and results should be quite good.
Yeah but kits dont have that. Noobs don't know what's supposed to be proper fruiting conditions. Even the best kit I've ever seen is easily out performed in yield and cost by my worse grows.
It costs $50 to start up pf tek. That hydro shit is $120+. It costed me $80ish to get a monotub setup. PC included. The materials in that $80 could easily make 10 tubs.
Can kits perform well? Of course, but every single aspect is worse compared to doing it yourself.
Also munch thanks for the suggestion on the presterilized shit. Added to the op.
If you have a PC then Violet's invitro PP5 jars with RGS is as cheap as it gets.
- $10 for 10 jars - $5-10 for plenty of RGS - Potting soil for casing - $10 for SAB - No fruiting chamber needed and you're off and running. You can even clean up the spores with the RGS with her system without agar.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: desr]
#22448691 - 10/29/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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that's really dependent on your location. brf+verm is still so much cheaper, rgs is costly as fuck even rye is cheaper. a FC costs 5-10$ and then you wont have to buy 200 screw tops. but I think thats a topic for another thread..
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desr said: theres a sponsor that sells sterilized manure mixes, (among other sterilized substrates and mixes) them shits work awesome and the shipping was under 4 days. also their customer service is really awesome. shout out mike. lol
manure is free dude, and it does not come sterilized thats just a word they use so noobs will feel more safe. sterilized sounds cleaner than pasteurized. if it was in fact sterilized you couldnt spawn to it in open air.
I'll go as far as saying if it wasnt for "kit makers" the avg noob would know much more about how to cult.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22448700 - 10/29/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, it's cheaper to do DIY, but grow kits aren't priced the way they are because they hate you or are greedy bastards...
Grow kits are expensive because they are sold by businesses trying to make profit. Anyone familiar with retail knows that ALL items are marked up between 2x-4x their actual cost to cover overhead, such as backstock and salaries.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
#22448719 - 10/29/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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True that; Even drug dealers buy low and sell high.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22448861 - 10/29/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah the whole point of a grow kit is not needing to know shit, or own shit and making it as easy as possible for people who have a hard time getting shrooms.
most people who buy kits aren't into it for the hobby, they just want shrooms and kits are an easy way to get around the legality issues without having to go trough shady street dealers n stuff.
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DaveyJones6911 said: Set up should be easy and results should be quite good.
Yeah but kits dont have that. Noobs don't know what's supposed to be proper fruiting conditions. Even the best kit I've ever seen is easily out performed in yield and cost by my worse grows.
It costs $50 to start up pf tek. That hydro shit is $120+. It costed me $80ish to get a monotub setup. PC included. The materials in that $80 could easily make 10 tubs.
Can kits perform well? Of course, but every single aspect is worse compared to doing it yourself.
Also munch thanks for the suggestion on the presterilized shit. Added to the op.
that's why i suggested the monotub. it is the most automated setup i have seen and if someone else drills the holes and measures out the substrate and casing for the right depths n stuff, the kit buyer would not need to do anything but put it together and wait.
and of course it should come with a sheet of instructions that both explains how the tub works and explains how to re-use it. meaning: how to use the tub in normal grows after the kit grow is done. and in the process promote the hobby to the kit user.
also one should be able to keep the cost fairly low. the whole kit would consist of a plastic tub, some polyfill, substrate and casing material. all the labour would be drilling the holes and maybe drawing some lines. material cost should be less then $10.
ill bet this would yield much better results and have a much better chance of success then any kits out there now.
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Didn't you see the op? They don't even know how to do the pf tek right(something that's been around for 15+ years), let alone monotubs...
I knew more about cultivation on my first day of reading, than those kits ever know.
Edited by Mad Season (10/29/15 11:51 AM)
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22448891 - 10/29/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just a reminder: This is not the "why kits are alright" thread.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
#22448917 - 10/29/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seriously... I also dont like the what ifs too.. Because what if they weren't incompetent? Then I wouldn't have made this thread....
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22448939 - 10/29/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You would think the thread title was "Post your great grow kit experiences here!"
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
#22448944 - 10/29/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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am i being too constructive? if you are gonna say something sucks then you should be prepared to discuss how to do it better. we don't exactly have a shortage of people whining about things they don't like on the internetz.
and people not knowing shit is a good reason to take the actual work out of their hands. and what does that better then a properly pre-built mono?
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
#22448962 - 10/29/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: You would think the thread title was "Post your great grow kit experiences here!"
sorry, I thought it was a valid comparison that illustrated the difference in quality of results.
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You do it then. I've messaged the kit companies, left them bad reviews, and emailed them too many times to count. They don't listen. You'd be better off just making your own kit company. I grew tired of helping every other grow kit noob. I wanted them to get off their ass, and do it right. Sue me :P
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
#22448981 - 10/29/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: You would think the thread title was "Post your great grow kit experiences here!"
sorry, I thought it was a valid comparison that illustrated the difference in quality of results.
I liked your post because it showed the stark contrast we've come to expect. Dunno why you'd think I was talking about that.
When we get into the realm of live mycelium kits it's very easy to do all the hard parts for somebody else but for everyone else, you're better off assembling your own kit.
If we can't talk about trading cultures here, then it stands to reason that we really shouldn't be talking about making and selling live mycelium kits.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
#22449078 - 10/29/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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Munchauzen said:
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Inocuole said: You would think the thread title was "Post your great grow kit experiences here!"
sorry, I thought it was a valid comparison that illustrated the difference in quality of results.
I liked your post because it showed the stark contrast we've come to expect. Dunno why you'd think I was talking about that.
When we get into the realm of live mycelium kits it's very easy to do all the hard parts for somebody else but for everyone else, you're better off assembling your own kit.
If we can't talk about trading cultures here, then it stands to reason that we really shouldn't be talking about making and selling live mycelium kits.
I misread your post, didn't see the "great" in it, so I was kinda thrown
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
#22449575 - 10/29/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've seen sever good 25-30g kit grows lately. I'm not saying OH I'd be so happy to pay $50-100 for that instead of $10 for a monotub, but if you're excited about eating mushrooms and not growing them, that's not unreasonable. It's too bad the methods they use are more like something Terrance McKenna scribbled on a piece of toilet paper in the 70's than modern mushcult.
In the US, Bags of low endospore spawn such as bird seed or maybe rice could be good. Syringe + bag + half brick of coir + 4 polyfill ezfelt + holesaw.
Where colonized material is legal, a precolonized muda bottle or minimono seems perfect.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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FUCK...here iw as just going to start selling kits
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: cronicr]
#22449686 - 10/29/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22451135 - 10/29/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: You'd be better off just making your own kit company.
that's what i'm saying.
it will take a more experienced grower then myself, but there is a demand and no answer but shitty products. somebody could be making a lot of money with a competitive product.
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If it's a kit company that sells to the US, the best kit you can provide is still jars, tubs(a mono and a SAB), a bag of grain, a PC, some agar, and some pasty plates. And then you're better off getting that on your own because you'll realize it's not a kit, it's just a trip to walmart in a box.
I don't really see the point of discussing live mycelium kits at ALL. We know it's easy. They literally did everything for you. All you have to do is water and wait. They're not legal where this site is hosted so discussing them as if they're cool for everybody isn't really ideal.
It would be super easy to sell colonized muda bottles with a tub to fruit them in, and they would work great if the person producing them used good technique and genetics.
That whole idea there, is really not what this forum is about though. That's not cultivation anymore. That's misting a box you got in the mail.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
#22452515 - 10/30/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: If it's a kit company that sells to the US, the best kit you can provide is still jars, tubs(a mono and a SAB), a bag of grain, a PC, some agar, and some pasty plates. And then you're better off getting that on your own because you'll realize it's not a kit, it's just a trip to walmart in a box.
I don't really see the point of discussing live mycelium kits at ALL. We know it's easy. They literally did everything for you. All you have to do is water and wait. They're not legal where this site is hosted so discussing them as if they're cool for everybody isn't really ideal.
It would be super easy to sell colonized muda bottles with a tub to fruit them in, and they would work great if the person producing them used good technique and genetics.
That whole idea there, is really not what this forum is about though. That's not cultivation anymore. That's misting a box you got in the mail.
this is about supply and demand, not your opinion on what constitutes a 'proper' shroom grower. we have already established that grow kits are not meant for you and nobody is trying to market them to you.
this thread is about kits and the noobs and idiots who use them. wtf are you even doing here? venting?
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: cronicr]
#22452531 - 10/30/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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cronicr said: FUCK...here iw as just going to start selling kits 
Me too. Kits rock. Everyone should buy a few of them.
Seriously though look out for my kit. It will get better yeilds than any mono with less than half the effort.
Edited by MudaFuka (10/30/15 07:31 AM)
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: MudaFuka]
#22452560 - 10/30/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My first grow was with a $30 grow bag "kit" (no pumps, just a grow bag) ... Worked perfectly. Got lots of fruits from it and through that experience I found this site and learned how to do it without them. At the time, I thought it was an absolute bargain.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: KauaiOrca] 1
#22452568 - 10/30/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's funny how one's prospective changes once they really start growing. For $30 you could easilly grow like 10 lbs of dry cubes. My first grow cost me more like $1000.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: MudaFuka]
#22452586 - 10/30/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: It's funny how one's prospective changes once they really start growing. For $30 you could easilly grow like 10 lbs of dry cubes. My first grow cost me more like $1000.
So true. The bottles I do now (your formula and just straight RGS) cost less than 20 cents a jar in supplies and I guess some energy in terms of heat for pressure cooker and that's it.
Finding a good culture that does well under your growing conditions is what takes time and effort, but not much expense, unless you're testing dozens of strains simultaneously. And, one good culture can take you a long, long way.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: MudaFuka]
#22452718 - 10/30/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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When you and cron get your kits going I'll add a disclaimer saying these are the only trusted kits. Until then.. I'll be advising people to start from scratch.
I'd also do a company up here in the great white north. Mycelium is legal for some reason. I see fully colonized kits at head shops all the time.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22452723 - 10/30/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where do you live. Cron and I both live in canada and cube mycelium is in no way legal here.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: MudaFuka]
#22452747 - 10/30/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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By pasty. Yeah man I know what you mean.. It makes no sense. But I bet if you looked around you could find colonized subs at your local head shops too. They've been sold like that for 25+ years nationwide lol.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22452755 - 10/30/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The head shops around me don't even stock spores more of the time.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: MudaFuka]
#22452767 - 10/30/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then you should change that :P.
I have no idea why they can do it, but no cops ever took any of the local shops down. The place I frequent has been selling them for the 5 years or so that I've been going. They also got amnitas and kratom
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22452797 - 10/30/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've talked to a few buddies in your area that say they also have MJ despensories up there.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: MudaFuka]
#22452810 - 10/30/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha yeah? I think I've heard that. Never been to any . Ever since Trudeau came in apparently they're putting them in every major city . Its going to be all legal soon! I hope.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22452831 - 10/30/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think he already got the ball rolling.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22452850 - 10/30/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ever since Trudeau came in .
Was it as big a surprise to Canadians that Trudeau won as it was reported here in the US? What do you think was behind his popularity?
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22452851 - 10/30/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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People hate Stevan Harper.
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: MudaFuka]
#27083965 - 12/11/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi
Can anybody tell me what this is? (Is it the same thing used in customized cars? https://gorillakits.com/product/fame-kit-replacement-filter/
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Nurkurzda23]
#27084193 - 12/11/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I posted a another "grow kit" thread awhile back and was subsequently scolded by half the forum!
I never bought the grow kit and now I'm cultivating my first grow using the PF Tek method.
I'll be getting my supplies/spores this weekend and hope to inoculate some jars on Sunday!
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