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spacechildo
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: desr]
#22448691 - 10/29/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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that's really dependent on your location. brf+verm is still so much cheaper, rgs is costly as fuck even rye is cheaper. a FC costs 5-10$ and then you wont have to buy 200 screw tops. but I think thats a topic for another thread..
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desr said: theres a sponsor that sells sterilized manure mixes, (among other sterilized substrates and mixes) them shits work awesome and the shipping was under 4 days. also their customer service is really awesome. shout out mike. lol
manure is free dude, and it does not come sterilized thats just a word they use so noobs will feel more safe. sterilized sounds cleaner than pasteurized. if it was in fact sterilized you couldnt spawn to it in open air.
I'll go as far as saying if it wasnt for "kit makers" the avg noob would know much more about how to cult.
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Munchauzen


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22448700 - 10/29/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, it's cheaper to do DIY, but grow kits aren't priced the way they are because they hate you or are greedy bastards...
Grow kits are expensive because they are sold by businesses trying to make profit. Anyone familiar with retail knows that ALL items are marked up between 2x-4x their actual cost to cover overhead, such as backstock and salaries.
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YaMoonSun
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
#22448719 - 10/29/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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True that; Even drug dealers buy low and sell high.
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DaveyJones6911
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22448861 - 10/29/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah the whole point of a grow kit is not needing to know shit, or own shit and making it as easy as possible for people who have a hard time getting shrooms.
most people who buy kits aren't into it for the hobby, they just want shrooms and kits are an easy way to get around the legality issues without having to go trough shady street dealers n stuff.
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Mad Season said:
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DaveyJones6911 said: Set up should be easy and results should be quite good.
Yeah but kits dont have that. Noobs don't know what's supposed to be proper fruiting conditions. Even the best kit I've ever seen is easily out performed in yield and cost by my worse grows.
It costs $50 to start up pf tek. That hydro shit is $120+. It costed me $80ish to get a monotub setup. PC included. The materials in that $80 could easily make 10 tubs.
Can kits perform well? Of course, but every single aspect is worse compared to doing it yourself.
Also munch thanks for the suggestion on the presterilized shit. Added to the op.
that's why i suggested the monotub. it is the most automated setup i have seen and if someone else drills the holes and measures out the substrate and casing for the right depths n stuff, the kit buyer would not need to do anything but put it together and wait.
and of course it should come with a sheet of instructions that both explains how the tub works and explains how to re-use it. meaning: how to use the tub in normal grows after the kit grow is done. and in the process promote the hobby to the kit user.
also one should be able to keep the cost fairly low. the whole kit would consist of a plastic tub, some polyfill, substrate and casing material. all the labour would be drilling the holes and maybe drawing some lines. material cost should be less then $10.
ill bet this would yield much better results and have a much better chance of success then any kits out there now.
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Mad Season
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Didn't you see the op? They don't even know how to do the pf tek right(something that's been around for 15+ years), let alone monotubs...
I knew more about cultivation on my first day of reading, than those kits ever know.
Edited by Mad Season (10/29/15 11:51 AM)
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Inocuole
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22448891 - 10/29/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just a reminder: This is not the "why kits are alright" thread.
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Mad Season
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
#22448917 - 10/29/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seriously... I also dont like the what ifs too.. Because what if they weren't incompetent? Then I wouldn't have made this thread....
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Inocuole
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22448939 - 10/29/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You would think the thread title was "Post your great grow kit experiences here!"
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DaveyJones6911
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
#22448944 - 10/29/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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am i being too constructive? if you are gonna say something sucks then you should be prepared to discuss how to do it better. we don't exactly have a shortage of people whining about things they don't like on the internetz.
and people not knowing shit is a good reason to take the actual work out of their hands. and what does that better then a properly pre-built mono?
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Munchauzen


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
#22448962 - 10/29/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: You would think the thread title was "Post your great grow kit experiences here!"
sorry, I thought it was a valid comparison that illustrated the difference in quality of results.
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Mad Season
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You do it then. I've messaged the kit companies, left them bad reviews, and emailed them too many times to count. They don't listen. You'd be better off just making your own kit company. I grew tired of helping every other grow kit noob. I wanted them to get off their ass, and do it right. Sue me :P
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Inocuole
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
#22448981 - 10/29/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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Inocuole said: You would think the thread title was "Post your great grow kit experiences here!"
sorry, I thought it was a valid comparison that illustrated the difference in quality of results.
I liked your post because it showed the stark contrast we've come to expect. Dunno why you'd think I was talking about that.
When we get into the realm of live mycelium kits it's very easy to do all the hard parts for somebody else but for everyone else, you're better off assembling your own kit.
If we can't talk about trading cultures here, then it stands to reason that we really shouldn't be talking about making and selling live mycelium kits.
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Munchauzen


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
#22449078 - 10/29/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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Munchauzen said:
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Inocuole said: You would think the thread title was "Post your great grow kit experiences here!"
sorry, I thought it was a valid comparison that illustrated the difference in quality of results.
I liked your post because it showed the stark contrast we've come to expect. Dunno why you'd think I was talking about that.
When we get into the realm of live mycelium kits it's very easy to do all the hard parts for somebody else but for everyone else, you're better off assembling your own kit.
If we can't talk about trading cultures here, then it stands to reason that we really shouldn't be talking about making and selling live mycelium kits.
I misread your post, didn't see the "great" in it, so I was kinda thrown
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
#22449575 - 10/29/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've seen sever good 25-30g kit grows lately. I'm not saying OH I'd be so happy to pay $50-100 for that instead of $10 for a monotub, but if you're excited about eating mushrooms and not growing them, that's not unreasonable. It's too bad the methods they use are more like something Terrance McKenna scribbled on a piece of toilet paper in the 70's than modern mushcult.
In the US, Bags of low endospore spawn such as bird seed or maybe rice could be good. Syringe + bag + half brick of coir + 4 polyfill ezfelt + holesaw.
Where colonized material is legal, a precolonized muda bottle or minimono seems perfect.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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cronicr



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FUCK...here iw as just going to start selling kits
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blindingleaf
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: cronicr]
#22449686 - 10/29/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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-------------------- A few thoughts on cultivation MICROBIAL HUSBANDRY!!!! The whole is greater than the sum of its parts
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DaveyJones6911
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
#22451135 - 10/29/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: You'd be better off just making your own kit company.
that's what i'm saying.
it will take a more experienced grower then myself, but there is a demand and no answer but shitty products. somebody could be making a lot of money with a competitive product.
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Inocuole
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If it's a kit company that sells to the US, the best kit you can provide is still jars, tubs(a mono and a SAB), a bag of grain, a PC, some agar, and some pasty plates. And then you're better off getting that on your own because you'll realize it's not a kit, it's just a trip to walmart in a box.
I don't really see the point of discussing live mycelium kits at ALL. We know it's easy. They literally did everything for you. All you have to do is water and wait. They're not legal where this site is hosted so discussing them as if they're cool for everybody isn't really ideal.
It would be super easy to sell colonized muda bottles with a tub to fruit them in, and they would work great if the person producing them used good technique and genetics.
That whole idea there, is really not what this forum is about though. That's not cultivation anymore. That's misting a box you got in the mail.
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DaveyJones6911
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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
#22452515 - 10/30/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: If it's a kit company that sells to the US, the best kit you can provide is still jars, tubs(a mono and a SAB), a bag of grain, a PC, some agar, and some pasty plates. And then you're better off getting that on your own because you'll realize it's not a kit, it's just a trip to walmart in a box.
I don't really see the point of discussing live mycelium kits at ALL. We know it's easy. They literally did everything for you. All you have to do is water and wait. They're not legal where this site is hosted so discussing them as if they're cool for everybody isn't really ideal.
It would be super easy to sell colonized muda bottles with a tub to fruit them in, and they would work great if the person producing them used good technique and genetics.
That whole idea there, is really not what this forum is about though. That's not cultivation anymore. That's misting a box you got in the mail.
this is about supply and demand, not your opinion on what constitutes a 'proper' shroom grower. we have already established that grow kits are not meant for you and nobody is trying to market them to you.
this thread is about kits and the noobs and idiots who use them. wtf are you even doing here? venting?
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Inocuole
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