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The stop buying grow kits thread!! * 5
    #22447669 - 10/29/15 02:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sure a noobie reading this is all like dude I want to do it the easy way!

But you've been/will be had! Take the moment to reconsider your decision...

To the pros: I know there's an official grow kits suck thread, but this is an actual comparison for the silly noobs who think we're bashing them and get all defensive.






Yes that is a meat thermometer in a substrate. It is to help monitor the substrate temperature so it won't overheat from the heating pad... :facepalm:

The acceptable temperature for EVERY aspect of this hobby is 65-75F OUTSIDE the tray (keep the meat thermometer for steak and pasteurizing) 69-75 I've noticed no differences in colonization rates. Lower temps will keep any contams at bay for longer. That's why 65-75 is acceptable. Heating pads will cook your substrate from the bottom.

Kits also try to say light is bad. Indirect sunlight is great at all stages! Use a 6500K (optional) during fruiting!







Look at this one. Fuckin drowning hydroton in a box with a pump :facepalm: they make you inoculate the jars in foil shit.. Costs $120+...

You seriously might as well do pf tek, or follow mushroom videos. For the same price as those 3 cakes you could EASILY have 2-3 terrariums (sgfcs) going filled to the brim.. Like this:


Not to mention that would feel satisfying as fuck when you get that.





Another main reason grow kits suck is because of the lack of fresh air exchange (FAE)

Here's a growkit:


Here's another:


Here's another:


Here's another:


Notice there's filters all around the bag, but it has nowhere near enough fae. Despite what the enticing pics show on the box, there's tiny ass caps and long spindly stems with super fuzz up the stems (fuzzy feet).. Idk about you, but to me fuzzy feet taste like super shit on an already shitty tasting mushroom. Believe it or not, these mushrooms are done. They will no longer grow. That's how important fae is! That's how much you get ripped off..


Here's what a proper terrarium does when I used trays:






Lastly, you think grow kits have everything sterile...



You'd be shocked how many aren't. They also like to blame you for any contams, when really it's their fault for not being sterile... Things they don't tell you is ime contams come from bad spawn. Something noobs have no control over. Unless you did it yourself... :wink:



Please just consider putting half the money down to get results literally 100x better.. use the search function properly, and follow a tek!


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22447774 - 10/29/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
    #22447809 - 10/29/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22447814 - 10/29/15 04:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I feel like they can make a lot of sense in some cases, especially in countries where colonized material can be purchased.  Not everyone has the time for this or wants to invest it.  Lots of kits just seem to come with a lot of dumb fruiting equipment and instruction.

Just getting a colonized muda bottle in the mail then sticking a bag over the top would be quite an upgrade to whatever someone would have to shell out for the goods.  The cost of spore prints/syringes can be factored out of the cost as well, if someone wants to use them, or even take the initiative to clone.

Now wherever the fuck these crazy automated computer fan terrariums are coming from...  Congratulations n00bs, you just spent 2 hours and $50 building something that has a 95% chance of being worse than an unmodified tote.


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22447862 - 10/29/15 05:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



the driver said "hey man, we go all the way"

Of course we were willing to pay!!!!


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22447868 - 10/29/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It is so easy to grow healthy mushrooms invitro, it just makes no sense at all for a person new to the  hobby to get complicated "automated" growing systems.


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22447946 - 10/29/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: 13shrooms]
    #22448146 - 10/29/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

so what would a better kit look like?
if all these kits suck so hard, and yet people keep buying them, sounds
like somebody could make some money.

ill bet we can come up with something much better.


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: DaveyJones6911] * 1
    #22448163 - 10/29/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

DaveyJones6911 said:
so what would a better kit look like?
if all these kits suck so hard, and yet people keep buying them, sounds
like somebody could make some money.

ill bet we can come up with something much better.




no. the whole concept of a kit is null because "pre-sterilizatized," anything is garbage.


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22448184 - 10/29/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Munchauzen said:
Quote:

DaveyJones6911 said:
so what would a better kit look like?
if all these kits suck so hard, and yet people keep buying them, sounds
like somebody could make some money.

ill bet we can come up with something much better.




no. the whole concept of a kit is null because "pre-sterilizatized," anything is garbage.




theres some sponsors that sell pre-sterilized stuff like grains and manure mixes and stuff. its pretty awesome.. the grow kit thing is stupid. sending pf jars in the mail? lol and air pumps and shit? yeah thats a waste. its a fish tank kit without fish. lol


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22448186 - 10/29/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

my Midwest Grow Kit



first grow after making a proper SGFC



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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22448192 - 10/29/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

DaveyJones6911 said:
so what would a better kit look like?
if all these kits suck so hard, and yet people keep buying them, sounds
like somebody could make some money.

ill bet we can come up with something much better.




no. the whole concept of a kit is null because "pre-sterilizatized," anything is garbage.




so then something that doesn't have anything pre-sterilised.
like say: a pre drilled monotub, bag of colonised substrate (most kits i have seen come with this), bag of casing material (sterility is not critical for casings right?), polyfill for the holes or something of a pre-stuffed thing they can just screw into the holes, pre-shaped liner and a 65000k light bulb.

set up should be easy and results should be quite good.


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22448199 - 10/29/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I cant believe that grow kit cost 120$:eek: i figured out roughly how much a monotub costs me the other day and it was about 3$ not including energy costs just materials... im surprised someone hasn't come up with a monotub kit yet now that i think about it:shrug:


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: desr]
    #22448200 - 10/29/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Munchauzen said:
Quote:

DaveyJones6911 said:
so what would a better kit look like?
if all these kits suck so hard, and yet people keep buying them, sounds
like somebody could make some money.

ill bet we can come up with something much better.




no. the whole concept of a kit is null because "pre-sterilizatized," anything is garbage.




theres some sponsors that sell pre-sterilized stuff like grains and manure mixes and stuff. its pretty awesome.. the grow kit thing is stupid. sending pf jars in the mail? lol and air pumps and shit? yeah thats a waste. its a fish tank kit without fish. lol




I've bought several hundred dollars worth of presterilized rye from TMS (RIP). Wouldn't waste another penny on the stuff.

The reason presterilized anything is garbage, is because a 2 hour PC cycle will only damage endospores. They will eventually recover. We only have like a 2 week window to introduce our cultures. It would take a 24+ hour cycle to completely kill all endospores and create a truly sterile spawn. So, when you order online, you honestly have no idea how much of that window is left. Even if they make it when you order it, you are still looking at like a week off that window because shipping times.


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22448585 - 10/29/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

A foolproof kit to make a clean multi-spore LC with guaranteed clean spores would be a winner, I'd think.  A good quality LC makes everything much easier ... Then you could start with Muda Bottles (or similar) and bypass PFTek Completely.


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22448588 - 10/29/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

These threads always end up talking about making kits instead of how shitty the ones that people usually come across are.


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: DaveyJones6911]
    #22448622 - 10/29/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Set up should be easy and results should be quite good.



Yeah but kits dont have that. Noobs don't know what's supposed to be proper fruiting conditions. Even the best kit I've ever seen is easily out performed in yield and cost by my worse grows.

It costs $50 to start up pf tek. That hydro shit is $120+. It costed me $80ish to get a monotub setup. PC included. The materials in that $80 could easily make 10 tubs.

Can kits perform well? Of course, but every single aspect is worse compared to doing it yourself.


Also munch thanks for the suggestion on the presterilized shit. Added to the op.


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
    #22448649 - 10/29/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

great stuff mad!


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Inocuole]
    #22448657 - 10/29/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

theres a sponsor that sells sterilized manure mixes, (among other sterilized substrates and mixes) them shits work awesome and the shipping was under 4 days. also their customer service is really awesome. shout out mike. lol

also i just went on midwest grow kits site, im not too familiar with grow kit prices, but $100??$140?? thats frickin ridiculous. materials for 10 times that harvest amount arent expensive at all. lastly, is that hydroton pic for real? lol


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Re: The stop buying grow kits thread!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22448661 - 10/29/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Set up should be easy and results should be quite good.



Yeah but kits dont have that. Noobs don't know what's supposed to be proper fruiting conditions. Even the best kit I've ever seen is easily out performed in yield and cost by my worse grows.

It costs $50 to start up pf tek. That hydro shit is $120+. It costed me $80ish to get a monotub setup. PC included. The materials in that $80 could easily make 10 tubs.

Can kits perform well? Of course, but every single aspect is worse compared to doing it yourself.

Also munch thanks for the suggestion on the presterilized shit. Added to the op.




If you have a PC then Violet's invitro PP5 jars with RGS is as cheap as it gets.

- $10 for 10 jars
- $5-10 for plenty of RGS
- Potting soil for casing
- $10 for SAB
- No fruiting chamber needed and you're off and running.  You can even clean up the spores with the RGS with her system without agar.


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