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Putting on weight/muscle?
#22444859 - 10/28/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Any suggestions? I'm a pretty skinny guy who hasn't worked out in awhile and probably don't eat enough/healthy enough. Any advice for what sorts of foods to eat for muscle gain and overall health? I may look into creatine and why isolate for my workouts. Any advice is appreciated.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22444930 - 10/28/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just eat lots of good carbs like vegetables, yams, oatmeal etc. and save the quicker digesting carbs for when you need the energy to train and recover. And since you're probably gonna be reading on google about it too, don't get too hung up on the amount of protein people say you need to eat. It's the hardest macro to get calories in with I think and you really don't need as much as a lot of people online say you do. I only get in like .5-.7 grams/lb of bodyweight. Don't get trapped in the macro hype either since you're just getting into it, could turn you off from it.
I change up what I eat a lot but the few things that are constant with me are eggs, yams, oatmeal, chicken, beef, fish, vegetables (not as much as I should), & whole wheat bread.
Also, Body Fortress brand protein from Walmart is what I use, it's cheap and tastes pretty good.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22444957 - 10/28/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I was 17 I was really focused on working out and eating protein.
I would eat wheat bread and two cans of tuna a couple times a day.
I would suggest eating chicken. Six small-medium meals a day would help.
I tried whey protein but I didn't like the taste so I looked into protein bars. 711 has protein bars that are a good price.
Be careful with creative as its bad for the kidneys.
If I was to take a supplement again it would be BSNs N.O. Xplode. It increases your pump as a preworkout supplement.
Here's a link. http://t.gnc.com/BSN-N-O-XPLODE-Pre-Workout-Igniter-Fruit-Punch/product.jsp?productId=41851166
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22444970 - 10/28/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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-All fruits -All vegetables -Quinoa -Legumes/Beans -Whole grains -NUTS -Fish -Eggs -Chicken -Turkey -REAL Rice. Not white rice. -Milk
Now take a combination of whatever I said above and make a fat meal out of it. Eat as much as you can and snack as often as you can without feeling bad from eating. It's best to be as diverse as possible.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Uzziel]
#22445200 - 10/28/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alrighty. Good start so far. The tricky part is making sure these foods add up to the calories I need to gain mass. I'll probably ease up on my cardiovascular and focus more on weight lifting. This is a great list to start with though. Thanks!
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22445367 - 10/28/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eat all of that and protein shakes.
when i say protein shakes, I mean a full serving size of protein powder PLUS a ton of other stuff. When I make my protein shakes they are about 1000 calories. I put oatmeal, almond milk, peanut butter, flax seed, chia seed, coconut oil, bananas, frozen strawberries, spinach, kale, greek yogurt, and some other stuff.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Eminence]
#22445888 - 10/28/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Just eat lots of good carbs like vegetables, yams, oatmeal etc. and save the quicker digesting carbs for when you need the energy to train and recover. And since you're probably gonna be reading on google about it too, don't get too hung up on the amount of protein people say you need to eat. It's the hardest macro to get calories in with I think and you really don't need as much as a lot of people online say you do. I only get in like .5-.7 grams/lb of bodyweight. Don't get trapped in the macro hype either since you're just getting into it, could turn you off from it.
I change up what I eat a lot but the few things that are constant with me are eggs, yams, oatmeal, chicken, beef, fish, vegetables (not as much as I should), & whole wheat bread.
Also, Body Fortress brand protein from Walmart is what I use, it's cheap and tastes pretty good.
Great advice for OP. Only difference I;d say is i do about a gram per lb of body weight but keep in mind all our bodies and genes are different.
My best advise workout wise. Compound lifts. squats rows and presses are all you need. fuck the curls and all that shit focus on getting your main muslce groups stronger and the rest will follow.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22448552 - 10/29/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Long term, year round martial arts/sports/ weight training combined with a healthy lifestyle
Improve posture to allow healthy blood flow to muscles
compound lifts if you do lift, so you aren't a weak bitch with puffy biceps
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: yeah] 1
#22448558 - 10/29/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why the hate on isolations? Compounds and isolations is the way to go.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Eminence]
#22449626 - 10/29/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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no offence eminence but BF whey protien sucks
spend a few more bucks and get six star from wal-bitch
much better product and i believe mucsle tech makes it
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Whey is whey man, Muscle Tech is one of the biggest gimmick brands on the market lol. At least they used to be, haven't bought anything from them in a few years at least so I don't know.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Eminence]
#22450087 - 10/29/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol no
BF WP is about the cheapest whey you can get
isolates and hydro isolates are much more absorable
for about 3$ moar you can get six star which i believe is whey isolate PLUS its packed with BCAA's,glutamine,arginine,creatine and a bunch of other goodies...shit works well i gained 30 lbs on my bench press in one month on a solid diet and three shakes a day regiment
also i know Mucsle tech has a lot of shit out there but its nitro-tech whey and creatine are very solid supps
and compound movements are the way to go to gain flat out mass and strength i.e bench press,squats,deadlift,military press,upright row-lifts
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22450136 - 10/29/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Heisencybin said: Any suggestions? I'm a pretty skinny guy who hasn't worked out in awhile and probably don't eat enough/healthy enough. Any advice for what sorts of foods to eat for muscle gain and overall health? I may look into creatine and why isolate for my workouts. Any advice is appreciated.
one option would be to acquire some mild steroids and ingest orally and be physically active(work hard, work out, etc.)
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Eminence]
#22450147 - 10/29/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Why the hate on isolations? Compounds and isolations is the way to go.
I don't really feel like isolation workouts are all that great. They're pretty useful for hard to target areas but overall... I say stick to compound exercising as much as possible. It's still good to do some isolation workouts... just don't make it the focal point of your workouts.
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I was just looking at my tub and it's a whey concentrate/isolate blend with BCAA's and EAA's. Very little creatine, but I don't really care about creatine. I'll check out the label at wal-mart next time I go just in case, but I've never really noticed much difference at all between different brand isolates because I get the vast majority of protein from food anyway.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Uzziel]
#22450254 - 10/29/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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True, I'd agree that compounds are overall better, but there are barely any pro BBer's that don't do isolation lifts. If you want as much size as you can get, it can't hurt.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Uzziel]
#22450708 - 10/29/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Why the hate on isolations? Compounds and isolations is the way to go.
I don't really feel like isolation workouts are all that great. They're pretty useful for hard to target areas but overall... I say stick to compound exercising as much as possible. It's still good to do some isolation workouts... just don't make it the focal point of your workouts.
From an athletic standpoint isolations are bullshit. The goal of isolation shit is to focus on certain "glamor" muscles like biceps. The most I ever do for isolation is preachers and db curls. This is after my compound lifts like power clean rows and deadlift. For instance today was weighted dips 45 lbs added for 5 sets of ten. Db rows with the 110's for reps at the end, power clean and then I do some isolation. The reason people say fuck isolation is because it serves zero purpose as functional strength (the kind of strength that lets you manhandle someone and make them your bitch, not the kind to look like some pretty boy on stage)
Always been a firm believer of fuck the scales and measuring tape, if you lift heavy and work hard you'll get results. My focus has always been "okay now lift this much instead of this much not "i have to get my arms to 18 inches wtf"
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Mescalean]
#22450734 - 10/29/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Great info. I will have to look into these protein powders and exercise differences such as compound vs isolation. Thanks for heading me in the right direction
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22450786 - 10/29/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look in to casein protein too. Cottage cheese or greek yogurt,bueno before bed or if you know You won't be eating for a good 8 hours or so. Slow digesting protein.
Kettle bells too once you feel ready/comfortable.
Oh also farmers walks
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Mescalean] 1
#22451230 - 10/29/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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eat a lot; work out a lot -- muscle weighs more than fat, etc.
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I used to use body fortress but yeah it was cheap a d I'm sure not the best quality. I'll probably hit up the vitamin shoppe. I want something with quality whey isolate and if possible, something that is nutrient dense. Idk what other supplements I would use. I'm unfamiliar with BCAAs. I will mostly stick to one protein powder of high quality and focus on my diet and exercise more
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22453668 - 10/30/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have to eat a ton! It's really hard for me to put on weight too. Lifting 5 days a week and eating an obscene amount of calories will do the job though.
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Weight Gainer. On top of mounds of chicken and cabbage.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Gorlax]
#22465512 - 11/02/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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So is a weight gainer or protein isolate ideal supplement. I may get a bucket of one of those plus some creatine for workouts... mainly focusing on my diet, but if I pick a supplement, I want it to be safe and high quality
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22467769 - 11/02/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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weight gainer just has calories from added carbs and fats usually. Depends on how hard it is for you to gain weight.
I have a buddy who was a hard gainer. Always the scrawny kid in the group. He started drinking this shit called... wait for it... names legit... "russian bear" that and fast food (he called it the mcdouble diet) and the kid started blowing up while maintaining a six pack...
If I did the above I'd get fat as fuck. All depends on your genes man
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Mescalean]
#22468090 - 11/02/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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the mcdouble diet?
shoulda made it a quarter pounder with cheese diet..
whats the matter could only afford the dollar menu
mcdouble
that shit will make you gain flab not mass
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Higher Love]
#22468129 - 11/02/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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get a job where you are physical active all of the time and stay hydrated, consume whatever helps you and eat a lot.
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learning sponge said: the mcdouble diet?
shoulda made it a quarter pounder with cheese diet..
whats the matter could only afford the dollar menu
mcdouble
that shit will make you gain flab not mass
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Actually yes this is while we were in college. While you mock his diet. Keep in mind he stayed under 10 percent body fat was benching 285 for 5 reps and curling 60's for 8 reps each arm build wise 5'10" 185. Not a naturally huge dude. He benefited from the extra calories. Personally my go to bulk food is costco pizza. I want to say its 40 grams of casein (cheese) protein per slize and a shit ton of carbs.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Mescalean]
#22468294 - 11/02/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah it is weird how people handle thing differently than one another.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Mescalean]
#22468655 - 11/02/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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learning sponge said: the mcdouble diet?
shoulda made it a quarter pounder with cheese diet..
whats the matter could only afford the dollar menu
mcdouble
that shit will make you gain flab not mass
#mantits
Actually yes this is while we were in college. While you mock his diet. Keep in mind he stayed under 10 percent body fat was benching 285 for 5 reps and curling 60's for 8 reps each arm build wise 5'10" 185. Not a naturally huge dude. He benefited from the extra calories. Personally my go to bulk food is costco pizza. I want to say its 40 grams of casein (cheese) protein per slize and a shit ton of carbs.
I eat a lot of mixed nuts like peanuts, pistachios, almonds, etc... for calories if I want a lot. You shit like a fucking god, too.
You are what you eat...so I'm a bit nutty 
I definitely DON'T recommend stuffing your face with milk products for extra calories... milk is good, just not in retarded quantities
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Uzziel]
#22471436 - 11/03/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Really? Ever hear of the GOMAD diet? Not saying it's healthy in a sense of whole foods yoga type bs, but if you want to stack on muscle mass.... works like a charm.
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#22471715 - 11/03/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can eat mcdonalds and stack on plenty of muscle mass too. Hell anything that gives you a surplus of calories works fine for that.
Does that make it healthy? No.
Food choice matters, especially when it comes to bulking if you want to stay actually healthy. I'd much rather eat extra servings of chicken and brown rice and eat a lot more fruit throughout the day and eat extra nuts than just "drink tons of milk and eat milk products"
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22471896 - 11/03/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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My friend did the same thing. This kid can't put on a pound of fat and he has the worlds worst diet ever. Not even that he can barely put on muscle so he bought P90x. Massive bag of weight gainer and followed through with the whole p90x routine while eating like absolute shit (fast food every day) never ate a home cooked meal. He got pretty ripped, not jacked, toned and very lean and packed on muscle. I used to joke about the size of his weight gainer bag and when it would arrive I'd say his dog food came. lol. Once he stopped it all evaporated and now he is back to being scrawny as fuck. so yeah it's hard if your body type isn't meant for it but it's possible.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Gorlax]
#22471934 - 11/03/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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People just need to learn to eat more food and make their own high calorie meals that they can stick with.
Making a high protein smoothie with a lot of calories is pretty easy for example and can be really nutritious on top of it.
Being scrawny just means you have to work even harder to perfect a solid high calorie dense diet. You can only do a shitty diet for so long before you revert back to normal eating habits. It has to be a good diet and one you can really stick with.
Consistency is the key to a healthy lifestyle in both diet and exercise...
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Uzziel]
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Uzziel said: You can eat mcdonalds and stack on plenty of muscle mass too. Hell anything that gives you a surplus of calories works fine for that.
Does that make it healthy? No.
Food choice matters, especially when it comes to bulking if you want to stay actually healthy. I'd much rather eat extra servings of chicken and brown rice and eat a lot more fruit throughout the day and eat extra nuts than just "drink tons of milk and eat milk products"

You should read up on brown rice. https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/perfect-carb-for-lifters Inhibits protein synthesis because f the phytic acid. Milk also contains important fatty acids (omega 7's https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/omega-7-the-lifters-fatty-acid ) for building muscle. You make it seem as if milk products are part of a "dirty" bulk. Dairy is perfectly fine. Whole milk is fine.
You also seem to be implying that performance is hindered by dairy products? Lack of conditioning yes, but having played sports my whole life I have never suffered performance wise from cheating in a diet or eating "bad" foods.
Pretty much you and the other poster who felt the need to argue with me picked what you wanted to read from my post. I gave an example a friend used and then went on to say I personally wouldn't but every body type is different.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Mescalean]
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p90x is also a bullshit routine. not for getting ripped, if you already have mass go for it, but it will not get a scrawny guy jacked which alot of people seem to buy it for...
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Mescalean]
#22472245 - 11/03/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck the see-food diet. If you're into muscle building and gaining weight properly for the long term, one should use healthier methods of consumption and not unhealthy calories from fast food everyday... unless it's short term. I'm looking more into long term methods of gaining mass and muscle, while also remaining healthy. With that in mind, I am very careful with which supplements I choose. For now, I am only comfortable using whey isolate and perhaps creatine.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22472372 - 11/03/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I know that is what is shocking about some people. If he wasn't eating the weight gainer he probably would have became a twig. It's the protein that's going to stack on the muscle. the calories you intake are going to give your body metabolic fuel to do that. You need energy to produce muscle. Protein synthesis takes lots of energy.
P90x is usually meant to go from fat to skinny so yeah his idea of it was just to get toned and it worked so saying it doesn't is false because I witnessed it with my own eyes. It took him some serious ass dedication though. I even gave him shit for doing the Yoga days when I know all that shits really good for you it was just funny watching him doing in our apartment living room when me and everyone else were smoking.
There's 3 types of body types. Ectomorph, Mesomorph, and Endomorph.

This has a huge impact on what regiment you need to follow and what your goals are. Some people just want to be tone, others jacked, and then most just want to lose weight.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Gorlax]
#22472648 - 11/03/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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IMO there are also hybrids of those 3 body types. Those are just the extremes of one type versus another.
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