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I used to use body fortress but yeah it was cheap a d I'm sure not the best quality. I'll probably hit up the vitamin shoppe. I want something with quality whey isolate and if possible, something that is nutrient dense. Idk what other supplements I would use. I'm unfamiliar with BCAAs. I will mostly stick to one protein powder of high quality and focus on my diet and exercise more
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22453668 - 10/30/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have to eat a ton! It's really hard for me to put on weight too. Lifting 5 days a week and eating an obscene amount of calories will do the job though.
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Weight Gainer. On top of mounds of chicken and cabbage.
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Heisencybin
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Gorlax]
#22465512 - 11/02/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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So is a weight gainer or protein isolate ideal supplement. I may get a bucket of one of those plus some creatine for workouts... mainly focusing on my diet, but if I pick a supplement, I want it to be safe and high quality
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22467769 - 11/02/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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weight gainer just has calories from added carbs and fats usually. Depends on how hard it is for you to gain weight.
I have a buddy who was a hard gainer. Always the scrawny kid in the group. He started drinking this shit called... wait for it... names legit... "russian bear" that and fast food (he called it the mcdouble diet) and the kid started blowing up while maintaining a six pack...
If I did the above I'd get fat as fuck. All depends on your genes man
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Mescalean]
#22468090 - 11/02/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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the mcdouble diet?
shoulda made it a quarter pounder with cheese diet..
whats the matter could only afford the dollar menu
mcdouble
that shit will make you gain flab not mass
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Your obviously into forums. Go to bodybuilding.com and join. It changed life and taught me about everything health related. Eat eat eat! Lift lift lift
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Higher Love]
#22468129 - 11/02/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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get a job where you are physical active all of the time and stay hydrated, consume whatever helps you and eat a lot.
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Mescalean
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Quote:
learning sponge said: the mcdouble diet?
shoulda made it a quarter pounder with cheese diet..
whats the matter could only afford the dollar menu
mcdouble
that shit will make you gain flab not mass
#mantits
Actually yes this is while we were in college. While you mock his diet. Keep in mind he stayed under 10 percent body fat was benching 285 for 5 reps and curling 60's for 8 reps each arm build wise 5'10" 185. Not a naturally huge dude. He benefited from the extra calories. Personally my go to bulk food is costco pizza. I want to say its 40 grams of casein (cheese) protein per slize and a shit ton of carbs.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Mescalean]
#22468294 - 11/02/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah it is weird how people handle thing differently than one another.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Mescalean]
#22468655 - 11/02/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mescalean said:
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learning sponge said: the mcdouble diet?
shoulda made it a quarter pounder with cheese diet..
whats the matter could only afford the dollar menu
mcdouble
that shit will make you gain flab not mass
#mantits
Actually yes this is while we were in college. While you mock his diet. Keep in mind he stayed under 10 percent body fat was benching 285 for 5 reps and curling 60's for 8 reps each arm build wise 5'10" 185. Not a naturally huge dude. He benefited from the extra calories. Personally my go to bulk food is costco pizza. I want to say its 40 grams of casein (cheese) protein per slize and a shit ton of carbs.
I eat a lot of mixed nuts like peanuts, pistachios, almonds, etc... for calories if I want a lot. You shit like a fucking god, too.
You are what you eat...so I'm a bit nutty 
I definitely DON'T recommend stuffing your face with milk products for extra calories... milk is good, just not in retarded quantities
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Uzziel]
#22471436 - 11/03/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Really? Ever hear of the GOMAD diet? Not saying it's healthy in a sense of whole foods yoga type bs, but if you want to stack on muscle mass.... works like a charm.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Mescalean] 1
#22471715 - 11/03/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can eat mcdonalds and stack on plenty of muscle mass too. Hell anything that gives you a surplus of calories works fine for that.
Does that make it healthy? No.
Food choice matters, especially when it comes to bulking if you want to stay actually healthy. I'd much rather eat extra servings of chicken and brown rice and eat a lot more fruit throughout the day and eat extra nuts than just "drink tons of milk and eat milk products"
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22471896 - 11/03/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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My friend did the same thing. This kid can't put on a pound of fat and he has the worlds worst diet ever. Not even that he can barely put on muscle so he bought P90x. Massive bag of weight gainer and followed through with the whole p90x routine while eating like absolute shit (fast food every day) never ate a home cooked meal. He got pretty ripped, not jacked, toned and very lean and packed on muscle. I used to joke about the size of his weight gainer bag and when it would arrive I'd say his dog food came. lol. Once he stopped it all evaporated and now he is back to being scrawny as fuck. so yeah it's hard if your body type isn't meant for it but it's possible.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Gorlax]
#22471934 - 11/03/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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People just need to learn to eat more food and make their own high calorie meals that they can stick with.
Making a high protein smoothie with a lot of calories is pretty easy for example and can be really nutritious on top of it.
Being scrawny just means you have to work even harder to perfect a solid high calorie dense diet. You can only do a shitty diet for so long before you revert back to normal eating habits. It has to be a good diet and one you can really stick with.
Consistency is the key to a healthy lifestyle in both diet and exercise...
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Uzziel]
#22472146 - 11/03/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Uzziel said: You can eat mcdonalds and stack on plenty of muscle mass too. Hell anything that gives you a surplus of calories works fine for that.
Does that make it healthy? No.
Food choice matters, especially when it comes to bulking if you want to stay actually healthy. I'd much rather eat extra servings of chicken and brown rice and eat a lot more fruit throughout the day and eat extra nuts than just "drink tons of milk and eat milk products"

You should read up on brown rice. https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/perfect-carb-for-lifters Inhibits protein synthesis because f the phytic acid. Milk also contains important fatty acids (omega 7's https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/omega-7-the-lifters-fatty-acid ) for building muscle. You make it seem as if milk products are part of a "dirty" bulk. Dairy is perfectly fine. Whole milk is fine.
You also seem to be implying that performance is hindered by dairy products? Lack of conditioning yes, but having played sports my whole life I have never suffered performance wise from cheating in a diet or eating "bad" foods.
Pretty much you and the other poster who felt the need to argue with me picked what you wanted to read from my post. I gave an example a friend used and then went on to say I personally wouldn't but every body type is different.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Mescalean]
#22472173 - 11/03/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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p90x is also a bullshit routine. not for getting ripped, if you already have mass go for it, but it will not get a scrawny guy jacked which alot of people seem to buy it for...
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Mescalean]
#22472245 - 11/03/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck the see-food diet. If you're into muscle building and gaining weight properly for the long term, one should use healthier methods of consumption and not unhealthy calories from fast food everyday... unless it's short term. I'm looking more into long term methods of gaining mass and muscle, while also remaining healthy. With that in mind, I am very careful with which supplements I choose. For now, I am only comfortable using whey isolate and perhaps creatine.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Heisencybin]
#22472372 - 11/03/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I know that is what is shocking about some people. If he wasn't eating the weight gainer he probably would have became a twig. It's the protein that's going to stack on the muscle. the calories you intake are going to give your body metabolic fuel to do that. You need energy to produce muscle. Protein synthesis takes lots of energy.
P90x is usually meant to go from fat to skinny so yeah his idea of it was just to get toned and it worked so saying it doesn't is false because I witnessed it with my own eyes. It took him some serious ass dedication though. I even gave him shit for doing the Yoga days when I know all that shits really good for you it was just funny watching him doing in our apartment living room when me and everyone else were smoking.
There's 3 types of body types. Ectomorph, Mesomorph, and Endomorph.

This has a huge impact on what regiment you need to follow and what your goals are. Some people just want to be tone, others jacked, and then most just want to lose weight.
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Re: Putting on weight/muscle? [Re: Gorlax]
#22472648 - 11/03/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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IMO there are also hybrids of those 3 body types. Those are just the extremes of one type versus another.
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