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First Grow-Questions for Success
    #22444633 - 10/28/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm in the midst of my first mushroom grow, psilcybe cubensis. I'm doing the recommended PF tek for my first go around and used RR's videos as my primary reference. (Not forgetting extensive general research throughout the forums.)

My cakes were fully colonized and allowed a week's consolidation period, then placed in their SGFC. I followed the recommended immediate 2 hour misting and fanning regiment in half hour intervals. Work only me to get around to 2 mist and fan sessions in the morning and again in the evening.

Now for my first question of concern:

I'm seeing definite daily growth, but my fruits have distintly dark caps about the same size as the stem and the stems have a yellowish tinge to them.

My thoughts are that I might not have enough humidity, or maybe not enough FAE.

My concern may be premature, but the growth I have just seems a bit off from other pics I've seen of 4 day old fruits.

Any more experienced advice would be very much appreciated.

I will post pics as soon as possible. (Within 2 days)


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Oompah Loomp]
    #22444687 - 10/28/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The caps get lighter as they mature.


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22444723 - 10/28/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Cubensis stems are typically a yellowish/off white.  Only the mycelia is white.  As stated above, the caps start off dark brown, and fade to yellow/gold as they mature.  From your description it sounds like you have done everything correctly and your fruits are happy and healthy.


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Helnak]
    #22447860 - 10/29/15 05:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome, thanks for a quick response! (Can't rate yet)

I suspected I may just have gotten a bit paranoid too soon.

I'll be able to upload some pics tomorrow just for reassurance.


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Oompah Loomp]
    #22447904 - 10/29/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

FAE will NEVER be a problem with an SGFC if you built it to spec and didn't stick it in a closet covered in blankets.  If you have pins/mushrooms forming not from the bottom of the cakes only, your humidity is not a problem.

What you described sounds like fairly normal cube colours.  Hard to say though, they're normal colours for a lot of things.

Fruits will grow at different rates according to genetics.

Also, that sounds like a lot more misting and fanning sessions than you should need.  RR said he designed it so he only needed to mist once a day.  I'd settle for twice.


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22448117 - 10/29/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

love to see them pics bro and Welcome to the shroomery:thumbup:


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: tetherface]
    #22453174 - 10/30/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, so I've gathered from all the amazing, prompt response. (Seriously thanks! Since I can't rate as of yet. Plus this  amazing community is the only way for me to share my journey...). My cubes are after all healthy thus far.

Here's my pics for now.

I plan to keep this thread active with more questions, and most definitely some answers to. Since this is not the kind of hobby that'll easily die.




As you can see consolidation periods differ considerably with MS syringes.


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Oompah Loomp]
    #22453324 - 10/30/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

little bit of fuzzy feet there but lookin good :thumbup:


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #22453652 - 10/30/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey, I'm pretty much at the same stage as you with my first grow.  I have 4 cakes:
- 2 that have not started pinning yet, even though they were birth a week ago.
- 1 cake that has a very good number of pins (about 20), juuust about to really begin to grow
- 1 cake with with about 5 large shrooms, and about 10 smaller ones.  They're around the same size as yours.  Veil about to break in the next day or 2.  First flush should be finished very soon.

I have another batch that I just birth'd (an hour ago).

And another 4 that I just inoculated about 30 minutes ago.


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: ranman]
    #22465190 - 11/02/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Congratulations on you grow man:) definitely one of the most engaging hobbies that I've done so far. I'm loving it! Which cube are you taking on at the moment?

Looks like I got the fuzzy feet under control by leaving a window open in my current grow room.  A stuffy room I suppose?

I've successfully harvested my first flush on one cake and will be weighing the dry weight as soon as the mushies are cracker dry. Another cake is almost done with its first flush. On this cake I had a monster pin instead of multiple pins. I'm printing with this monster cap and will be making two potent syringes from it. (Transkei)

My golden teachers are about 30% colonized so still a while to go. Seems to be a slower colonizer than the Transkeis.


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Oompah Loomp]
    #22479174 - 11/05/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've noticed alot of the pins that formed while the first flush turned black, I'm assuming dead, after I dunked them for twelve hours...

Does this mean I dunked at the wrong time, and is dunking absolutely necessary?

Seems to have done more harm than good. I'll post some pics once the second flush comes in. In the meantime I'm removing all the aborted pins.


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Oompah Loomp]
    #22479179 - 11/05/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If the pinheads turn black then they are aborts, but mushrooms are 90% water, so they really dig the stuff. Would be helpful to see pics now to answer your questions though.


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22483733 - 11/05/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'll post some close ups tonight so you can see exactly what I'm talking about.

I get that the dunk is most likely the reason for the bruising. Just sucks that I lost so many pins. I'll get the hang of it though.

First flush total on four cakes weighed in at 12.5g, not too bad but definitely room for improvement.

Do you have any experience with adding gypsym to the substrate using the PF TEK?


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Oompah Loomp]
    #22628473 - 12/08/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Haven't been able to keep this log of mine up to date due to alot happening. Moved into a new place amongst other things.

All my cakes managed to pull off fourth flushes before contaminating. Green mold  was the only visible culprit, and I caught it before sporulation.

I cleaned my sgfc with soap then bleach then clean water and left it to dry. I soaked my perlite in a ten percent bleach water solution before thoroughly rinsing and put it back in my sgfc.

I dunked and rolled my new cakes, this time cleaning off the invitro pins to see if I could get my flushes more evenly. First pins started showing within a week. Two weeks in and it seems like  I had a slip up. Definitely looks like a bacterial contamination. Deformed caps, slightly slimy as well. Still smells mushroomy and no colours visible. 

1) Will the mycelium be able to beat it?

2) Is there a way to treat it?

3) If dried properly, are they safe to consume?

4) Will prints made from these be contaminated as well?



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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Oompah Loomp]
    #22629129 - 12/08/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Bump for a response, otherwise guinea pig I'll be :laugh:


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Oompah Loomp]
    #22631781 - 12/08/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Try posting in contam forum


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: MrSturgill]
    #22631811 - 12/08/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Been cold where you are?  I had a bunch of caps doing this shit lately.  I think it's related to them being wet while they're primordia.  Should be fine.



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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22631900 - 12/08/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

If they have absolutely zero strange smell then they probably aren't contaminated. I have yet to hear of any bacteria that is odorless. However on the off chance it is contaminated, most bacteria will not harm you, but at the same time some can kill you, so most say better safe than sorry. Bacteria does not produce spores like fungus and molds do, so once a colony of bacteria is dead it cannot "germinate" to make more bacteria. So if you made a spore print and waited long enough for any potential bacteria that could be on it to die before you used it, then in should be fine whether you have a contaminant or not.


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22632142 - 12/08/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Nah man weather here's been pretty warm, so my cakes are drying out when I'm at work. I mist twice thoroughly in the morning and then again in the evening. On weekends I keep to a more regular schedule.

I try to keep my misting aimed more at the perlite and sides of my chamber, still get my mushrooms pretty wet though. Your pics look like we're dealing with the same thing.

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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: bestpsybeever]
    #22632192 - 12/08/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks man, makes perfect sense. I'll make a couple prints off the second flush, then to be safe just let them dry a bit longer in my SAB.

Definitely no off smell that I can notice. So I'll just keep a close eye after I dunk for the second flush.

Do you think doing the lemon tek or making a tea would help kill the bacteria before consuming?


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Oompah Loomp]
    #22632582 - 12/08/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think it's bacterial.  Fruits were healthy for me just mutated.  Feel them, see if it feels diseased or like mycellium.  I think you good dawg.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22632597 - 12/08/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I cant see any contaminations, my money would be on fluctuations in RH, and that your RH is pretty low for prolongued times.
some of the caps have cracks that seems to be from drying, also a lot of the fruits are looking quite pale like they often get when they're really dry.
your cakes look more than moist enough in some of the pics tho, maybe the sunlight dry stuff out while you're away?

nothing to worry about tho they're all perfectly fine to eat.


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22632614 - 12/08/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think it's bacterial.  Fruits were healthy for me just mutated.  Feel them, see if it feels diseased or like mycellium.  I think you good dawg.




Feels healthy for sure.

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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: spacechildo]
    #22632625 - 12/09/15 12:03 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I think you're on the ball with that one. Cakes are way too dry when I get home. Hmm... suppose I need to relocate my grow chamber.

Any idea on maybe taping over the top and/or side vent holes to keep up humidity?


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Oompah Loomp]
    #22632630 - 12/09/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

nah dont do that, thats not how it works, rather shut the blinds a bit more while you're away and the sun is at its brightest.
a 6500k CFL bulb is great when you dont have sunlight. maybe use a light instead? a 23w cheap bulb goes a long way.

try misting them heavier before leaving tomorrow morning and go look for a light after work?


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: spacechildo]
    #22632659 - 12/09/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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nah dont do that, thats not how it works, rather shut the blinds a bit more while you're away and the sun is at its brightest.
a 6500k CFL bulb is great when you dont have sunlight. maybe use a light instead? a 23w cheap bulb goes a long way.

try misting them heavier before leaving tomorrow morning and go look for a light after work?




Alright sweet, I'll pick up a light after work. Still think I might have to move my setup into a cooler area. We've been having the odd heat wave around here.

I don't have a PC. Will casings made up of grated BRF cakes, and cased with some coir, verm etc. be happier than straight exposed PF cakes. I've been considering this for a pint cake that's busy consolidating?

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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Oompah Loomp]
    #22632668 - 12/09/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Spawn you cakes to coir or case them whole packed fairly close together in tray with coir.  Breaking them up without adding food and watermass is probably the least optimal method.

Cheese grating creates inoculation points, which aren't going to help if you are only reshaping the cakes not expanding them into new material.

The fruiting results I've seen from these methods have looked better than what I've seen regular cakes put out.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Oompah Loomp]
    #22632669 - 12/09/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

you can just cheese grate pf cakes into a coir+verm substrate and mix thoroughly, yeah.
its a good way of trying bulk without having to buy a PC. no need to consolidate when using cakes as spawn tho :thumbup:


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: spacechildo]
    #22632887 - 12/09/15 04:27 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

^^ what they said ;-)

Poor-mans bulk spawn. Cakes2coir4life.

Just check that terminology. You're referencing a "bulk substrate". A misnomer, i call it a secondary substrate because it doesn't really need to be "bulk". A "casing" is a different thing. A lot of people mix those up.

Anyways i did it on my first grow in a friends very dirty room using little gladware containers. Noob-luck i guess because it worked out just great.


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: MajorDick]
    #22633024 - 12/09/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Spawn you cakes to coir or case them whole packed fairly close together in tray with coir.  Breaking them up without adding food and watermass is probably the least optimal method.

Cheese grating creates inoculation points, which aren't going to help if you are only reshaping the cakes not expanding them into new material.

The fruiting results I've seen from these methods have looked better than what I've seen regular cakes put out.




Fucking A then! I'skip the grater then for my first go at it. Just pasteurise some coir Damion's tek seems the most economical and noob friendly.


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you can just cheese grate pf cakes into a coir+verm substrate and mix thoroughly, yeah.
its a good way of trying bulk without having to buy a PC. no need to consolidate when using cakes as spawn tho :thumbup:




Interesting... no need to consolidate. I assume the casing needs to be as thin as possible then, quarter inch maybe?


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^^ what they said ;-)

Poor-mans bulk spawn. Cakes2coir4life.

Just check that terminology. You're referencing a "bulk substrate". A misnomer, i call it a secondary substrate because it doesn't really need to be "bulk". A "casing" is a different thing. A lot of people mix those up.

Anyways i did it on my first grow in a friends very dirty room using little gladware containers. Noob-luck i guess because it worked out just great.




Thanks dude, I'll most definitely give it read!


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: Oompah Loomp]
    #22633233 - 12/09/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

no thin casing on top, mix the cheese grated cakes evenly with your coir substrate. as in mix it all together well, let colonize, be happy :smile:

exactly like you would mix colonized grains with coir, except your broken up cakes acts as your grain spawn.


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Re: First Grow-Questions for Success [Re: spacechildo]
    #22636558 - 12/09/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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no thin casing on top, mix the cheese grated cakes evenly with your coir substrate. as in mix it all together well, let colonize, be happy :smile:

exactly like you would mix colonized grains with coir, except your broken up cakes acts as your grain spawn.




Alright cool, got it.

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