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Tawksin
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Wild bird seed
#22443841 - 10/28/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm currently in the process of doing my first ever grow using of cakes. But I'm in the planning stage for my second. I'll be using WBS to do a grain to bulk grow. I've been following franks tek. (http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17252080#17252080) Everyone says go to Walmart and get the economy bag of WBS, and I did. But mine doesn't seem to match up. I guess my question is. Will this still work? And is there anything I should pick out of it.
Here's pictures of mine compared to franks



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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Tawksin]
#22443855 - 10/28/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anything that floats gets removed, I see red millet in your tray, so it can work I guess. If you live near a Kroger they sell bags of WBS that have exactly what you want for ~$5
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Mycologist217 said: Anything that floats gets removed, I see red millet in your tray, so it can work I guess. If you live near a Kroger they sell bags of WBS that have exactly what you want for ~$5
Do you know what brand it is?
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Tawksin]
#22444051 - 10/28/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can leave in floaters... it doesn't cause any harm... but that is a large amount of corn and sunflower seeds. The millet and milo are the good bits.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Tawksin]
#22444080 - 10/28/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You may have issues because of the "grain products."
Which looks like broken up corn.
I use to use Pennington's Eco mix from walmart with great success.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22444093 - 10/28/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: You can leave in floaters... it doesn't cause any harm... but that is a large amount of corn and sunflower seeds. The millet and milo are the good bits.
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DrCrumbs said: You may have issues because of the "grain products."
Which looks like broken up corn.
I use to use Pennington's Eco mix from walmart with great success.
That's what I was thinking because I've read several times that you don't want cracked corn to be in it. Which is strange to be because I bought the exact bag that Frank was talking about. His didn't have corn in it and mine did, lol.
So I ran by Kroger from Myco's suggestion and found this bag that I think I'm going to go with instead of the other one I got.


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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22444097 - 10/28/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah thats kind of what I was thinking too, because I'm pretty sure I've used that first bag you got.
I dunno how bad the corn really is, since I just avoided it all the time. I have found that busted up stuff, does seem to contam easier though.
That new bag you have looks really nice.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Inocuole]
#22444103 - 10/28/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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even easier and nowadays seemingly preferred buy whole oats and read innocules intergalactic space oat prep in his sig above. I used to use the wal mart seed but its crap compared to oats IMO its a hassle to prep birdseed as your trying to evenly hydrate several different types of grain and don't get me wrong birdseed does work just fine
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Yeah whole oats (animal feed) is what I'm using now also and they are amazing. I also really like rye grass seed.
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Going offopic but I must agree with the poster above me. Oats are much easier and cheaper (for me). I've preped hundreds of lbs of wbs. Oats soak for 2+ hours, strain then load. No way simpler that I've found. But if you insist on wbs/already have it I would suggest foomans wbs tek - it's the easiest and all I would ever use for wbs.
Floaters are fine - are we still talking about this really
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OP there seems to be alot of corn in that mix corn can be suspect I use cheap ass stuff from the dollar store that has cracked corn in it but the amount is minimal but yeah That stuff looks fine as long as you PC it properly you should be good. As a side note everyone seems to start with brf cakes and when I moved to WBS I found it so much simpler.
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I use the Kroger brand "wild bird seed" with no additives
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this is what i use
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Tawskin. That seed is junk. It's got cracked corn in it. I bought the same stuff from Wal-Mart before. You can use it but it's messy and sticky. Get the stuff that tripdawg has in his photo.
Wal-Mart used to sell a cheap red and white bag of wbs. That is what Frank used. The cheap stuff now has corn in it.
No need to remove the floaters. Not sure why the person would recommend it
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: tahoe]
#22444830 - 10/28/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i have used that stuff in a pinch and it gave me no issues, but i still prefer pennington classic, when properly done it shakes around really well with no clumpage, wether you are adding gypsum or not
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I decided to give the bag of bird seed to my mom. And went out and picked these up.
My dog approves.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Tawksin]
#22447268 - 10/28/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hate to tell you. But oats kind of suck. Bid seed is superior to oats. But some use them just fine.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: tahoe] 1
#22447270 - 10/28/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oats suck, use WBS. That's gold.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: tahoe]
#22447276 - 10/28/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used WBS the first round..... I was happy with it, but I avoided sunflower seeds and cracked corn. It looks like this mix has both. I used wild finch mix. The seeds were really small, but no starchy mess.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Kalistis]
#22447288 - 10/28/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like the oats so far. Much easier prep IMO. I can't speak for yield yet as my first oat tubs are still fruiting, but they seem happy. They also reached full colonization at the same time as the seed and I was able to differentiate potential problems better in the oats than in the seed due to uniformity of the oats in shape and color. To each is is their own.
I will say that my GT WBS monotubs are pinning like mad which I suppose is a healthy mix of genetics and the WBS. So? I will have to do WBS again in the future because I have 35 pounds left. I wish I had a freezer large enough to freeze it!
If you have the oats now, I recommend sticking with it. Easy for the first time bulk project.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Kalistis]
#22447333 - 10/28/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I keep a small bag of WBS around to occasionally make grain masters or add a few handfuls in with my oats just for some nutritional diversity.
For performance, prep, cleanup, cost, ease of shaking, hydration capcacity, and lack of starchy bits, I give it to oats every time.
For more inoculation points, biodiversity, and availability, WBS.
It may or may not affect my bias that my strainer lets some millet though.
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tripdawg420 said: this is what i use

Have you tried any truffle tek using this seed? If so how did it turn out? I can't find any bulk rye berry locally, but Walmart has 40 lb bags of the same WBS for $18. My other option is to order 25 lb bags of rye berry off of Amazon for $30 a pop.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Zuul]
#22448238 - 10/29/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Zuul said:
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tripdawg420 said: this is what i use

Have you tried any truffle tek using this seed? If so how did it turn out? I can't find any bulk rye berry locally, but Walmart has 40 lb bags of the same WBS for $18. My other option is to order 25 lb bags of rye berry off of Amazon for $30 a pop.
ya wbs will do fine
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tripdawg420 said:
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Zuul said:
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tripdawg420 said: this is what i use

Have you tried any truffle tek using this seed? If so how did it turn out? I can't find any bulk rye berry locally, but Walmart has 40 lb bags of the same WBS for $18. My other option is to order 25 lb bags of rye berry off of Amazon for $30 a pop.
ya wbs will do fine
Since I'm getting two different syringes I've decided to test out both grains. I'll do a grow log of each one and post them here. I'll find which one works best from personal experience. Thanks for your inputs and suggestions.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Tawksin]
#22448270 - 10/29/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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keep us posted
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Cracked corn, sunseeds and whatever else in that bag is fine. I do prefer penningtons. I don't take anything out when I prep my seeds. Into the colander rinse a few times. Cracked corn and black seeds won't fuck anything up. I don't know why it keeps getting brought up that you can't use it, what a waste of spawn if you throw it out.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: tahoe]
#22449074 - 10/29/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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doc34's WBS tek says to remove floaters because they are undeveloped hollow seeds, not prone to providing nutrition.
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Mycologist217 said: doc34's WBS tek says to remove floaters because they are undeveloped hollow seeds, not prone to providing nutrition.
He was just repeating what he heard from somebody else 11 year ago.
They have more nutrition than nothing. Mycelium doesn't care if they're hollow.
I haven't removed floaters or rinsed grain in about 2 years.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Inocuole]
#22449187 - 10/29/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Franks tek also recommends removing sunflower seeds and floaters. If this information is outdated or wrong, perhaps the teks the experienced cultivators on these forums point new cultivators to should get updated?
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Well it doesn't hurt me if people keep wasting their floaters,and having the discussion with Frank about it, let alone convincing him to edit his teks, is a little out of the way for something that doesn't matter that much.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: tahoe]
#22449256 - 10/29/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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All the same, it isn't savvy for a trusted cultivator to say:
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No need to remove the floaters. Not sure why the person would recommend it
When trusted cultivators everywhere will point new cultivators to Franks Teks. The reason it was suggested is because the Teks say to. I know you have read and give respect to Frank's tek, his preferred bird seed was specifically mentioned more than once...
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i remove floters and straw and sticks and whatever else
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think about it for a few seconds. Do you think frank or anyone did hundreds of side by side comparison trials between removing and not removing floaters? My mind says obviously no. More that likely it was that growers are weird and generally paranoid. Disagree? Some people think floating seeds ruin grows. Lol.
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i do it to make it easyer to rinse ive tryed both yes i like removing them only takes a min to
 
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No cares you're throwing out a few jars worth per bag?
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no dont matter
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Mycologist217 said: All the same, it isn't savvy for a trusted cultivator to say:
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tahoe said:
No need to remove the floaters. Not sure why the person would recommend it
When trusted cultivators everywhere will point new cultivators to Franks Teks. The reason it was suggested is because the Teks say to. I know you have read and give respect to Frank's tek, his preferred bird seed was specifically mentioned more than once...
Excuse me? Nobody here is being paid to help. Trusted cultivators can recommend whatever they want, savvy or not. It's nobody's job to get with frank about this. If somebody else wrote a WBS prep without removing floaters that one would be the one recommended, but Frank has a lot of good teks in one place and it's easy to recommend his. You're getting paid the same amount as tahoe right now so maybe it's up to you to find us all a suitable tek.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Inocuole]
#22451696 - 10/29/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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Mycologist217 said: All the same, it isn't savvy for a trusted cultivator to say:
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tahoe said:
No need to remove the floaters. Not sure why the person would recommend it
When trusted cultivators everywhere will point new cultivators to Franks Teks. The reason it was suggested is because the Teks say to. I know you have read and give respect to Frank's tek, his preferred bird seed was specifically mentioned more than once...
Excuse me? Nobody here is being paid to help. Trusted cultivators can recommend whatever they want, savvy or not. It's nobody's job to get with frank about this. If somebody else wrote a WBS prep without removing floaters that one would be the one recommended, but Frank has a lot of good teks in one place and it's easy to recommend his. You're getting paid the same amount as tahoe right now so maybe it's up to you to find us all a suitable tek.
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Floaters can definitely be left in without contamination, but I find them to be a pain in the ass. I rinse 5+ times and the floaters really get on my nerves. Like tripdawg said, takes a minute to remove and makes it easier to rinse.
I give the extras to my chickens so no waste there. If you don't have chickens, scatter the extras on your lawn, or compost or sidewalk, just not the trash.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: ston3y]
#22451851 - 10/30/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a more acceptable way to dispose of them, but I also don't rinse my grains.
I remember one of my first batches of WBS being dirty as hell and needing like 10 rinses. I get the same WBS now sometimes and it requires no rinsing at all. 
I dunno wtf I was smoking, nor what everyone else doing this mycology stuff was smoking for the last 15 years. If I had to recommend a viable solution for the hobbyist mushroom grower, take all the floaters and put them in a separate jar and PC that, use it as supplemental spawn. Easier way to avoid this conversation? Use oats.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Inocuole]
#22452429 - 10/30/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: That's a more acceptable way to dispose of them, but I also don't rinse my grains.
I remember one of my first batches of WBS being dirty as hell and needing like 10 rinses. I get the same WBS now sometimes and it requires no rinsing at all. 
I dunno wtf I was smoking, nor what everyone else doing this mycology stuff was smoking for the last 15 years. If I had to recommend a viable solution for the hobbyist mushroom grower, take all the floaters and put them in a separate jar and PC that, use it as supplemental spawn. Easier way to avoid this conversation? Use oats.
This is off topic but I have a question about self healing injection ports if you use them.
When inoculating through them do I just push the syringe through the silicone? The needle end on my last syringe wasn't sharp at all and I don't want to bend or break my needle.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Tawksin]
#22452481 - 10/30/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are... you asking if you're supposed to stab the injection port? 
I mean... uh.... what else would you do with it? The needle needs to be at least a bit sharp not to catch onto, and ruin the port.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Inocuole]
#22452700 - 10/30/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Are... you asking if you're supposed to stab the injection port? 
I mean... uh.... what else would you do with it? The needle needs to be at least a bit sharp not to catch onto, and ruin the port.
More so what I'm trying to ask is:
Am I going to have trouble stabbing it. The needle that came with my last syringe had more of a rounded off tip than a shape tip and if the new syringes I get have needles like that I would assume that it would be hard to force it through the silicone.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Tawksin]
#22452816 - 10/30/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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go to TSC and buy new sharp needles for under 3$ you probably might have to get shorter ones as they never have 2" at my local store but they still work just fine
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Tawksin]
#22452822 - 10/30/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its a hot needle.
The problem is when they get used a whole bunch ruffly and the needle forms a barb from the tip getting bent back, then it can rip the port out.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22452888 - 10/30/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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DrCrumbs said: Its a hot needle.
The problem is when they get used a whole bunch ruffly and the needle forms a barb from the tip getting bent back, then it can rip the port out.
what's a hot needle? I don't think ive ever heard that one and im up on my needle jive lol... the other dudes needles were blunts so there was never a point on them to get a barb on it AFAIK
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Tawksin
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DrCrumbs said: Its a hot needle.
The problem is when they get used a whole bunch ruffly and the needle forms a barb from the tip getting bent back, then it can rip the port out.
I thought hot needles killed off the spores?
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Tawksin]
#22453153 - 10/30/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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DrCrumbs said: Its a hot needle.
The problem is when they get used a whole bunch ruffly and the needle forms a barb from the tip getting bent back, then it can rip the port out.
I thought hot needles killed off the spores?
After flame sterilizing your needle, squirt out a little bit of solution( in your SAB of course). This will cool down the tip of the needle enough to inject into your jars and your spores will be fine.
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the needle is so thin it cools down real fast. dont stab your SHIP with a red hot needle it'll fuck it up. easiest is to just say fuck ships, crack the lid and inject whatever you want!
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Can ditch the needle that way too. Just twist out the plug, inoculate everything, and twist it back in when you're done.
Can't do any of that without a SAB and decent lid-cracking technique.
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Can ditch the needle, and with it, flame sterilization that way too. Just twist out the plug, inoculate everything, and twist it back in when you're done.
Can't do any of that without a SAB and decent lid-cracking technique.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Inocuole]
#22453662 - 10/30/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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you're gonna need a decent lid cracking technique at last no matter what you do in this hobby! muda the fuka dont even use a syringe he just pours liquid straight into the jars.
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Cracking the lid is my favorite as well (less points of contact).
So I guess you guys cool the needle first. My reasoning for keeping the needle hot when using a SHIP, was that it just seemed that it was creating a weak point and reverting back to sanitation instead of sterility.
Some tops would sit around a few days in a tote and I didnt trust the tin foil to protect the SHIP after PC'ing so I would swab with iso. Maybe you guys dont do this either.
I've never had a problem hurting the SHIP's this way. I have pulled them out if the needle was barbed.
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: DrCrumbs]
#22454206 - 10/30/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Holy shit OP, I used to get that same bag from Walmart and it never had that amount of cracked corn in it. Your Walmart might also carry Pennington brand, try that.
I found a local? brand at the chain grocery stores we have around here for $0.30/lb, shop around!
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