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Inocuole
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Kalistis]
#22447333 - 10/28/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I keep a small bag of WBS around to occasionally make grain masters or add a few handfuls in with my oats just for some nutritional diversity.
For performance, prep, cleanup, cost, ease of shaking, hydration capcacity, and lack of starchy bits, I give it to oats every time.
For more inoculation points, biodiversity, and availability, WBS.
It may or may not affect my bias that my strainer lets some millet though.
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Zuul
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tripdawg420 said: this is what i use

Have you tried any truffle tek using this seed? If so how did it turn out? I can't find any bulk rye berry locally, but Walmart has 40 lb bags of the same WBS for $18. My other option is to order 25 lb bags of rye berry off of Amazon for $30 a pop.
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tripdawg420
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Zuul]
#22448238 - 10/29/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Zuul said:
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tripdawg420 said: this is what i use

Have you tried any truffle tek using this seed? If so how did it turn out? I can't find any bulk rye berry locally, but Walmart has 40 lb bags of the same WBS for $18. My other option is to order 25 lb bags of rye berry off of Amazon for $30 a pop.
ya wbs will do fine
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Tawksin
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tripdawg420 said:
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Zuul said:
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tripdawg420 said: this is what i use

Have you tried any truffle tek using this seed? If so how did it turn out? I can't find any bulk rye berry locally, but Walmart has 40 lb bags of the same WBS for $18. My other option is to order 25 lb bags of rye berry off of Amazon for $30 a pop.
ya wbs will do fine
Since I'm getting two different syringes I've decided to test out both grains. I'll do a grow log of each one and post them here. I'll find which one works best from personal experience. Thanks for your inputs and suggestions.
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tripdawg420
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Tawksin]
#22448270 - 10/29/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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keep us posted
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MadSeasonStudent
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Cracked corn, sunseeds and whatever else in that bag is fine. I do prefer penningtons. I don't take anything out when I prep my seeds. Into the colander rinse a few times. Cracked corn and black seeds won't fuck anything up. I don't know why it keeps getting brought up that you can't use it, what a waste of spawn if you throw it out.
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Mycologist217
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: tahoe]
#22449074 - 10/29/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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doc34's WBS tek says to remove floaters because they are undeveloped hollow seeds, not prone to providing nutrition.
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Inocuole
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Mycologist217 said: doc34's WBS tek says to remove floaters because they are undeveloped hollow seeds, not prone to providing nutrition.
He was just repeating what he heard from somebody else 11 year ago.
They have more nutrition than nothing. Mycelium doesn't care if they're hollow.
I haven't removed floaters or rinsed grain in about 2 years.
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Mycologist217
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Inocuole]
#22449187 - 10/29/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Franks tek also recommends removing sunflower seeds and floaters. If this information is outdated or wrong, perhaps the teks the experienced cultivators on these forums point new cultivators to should get updated?
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Inocuole
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Well it doesn't hurt me if people keep wasting their floaters,and having the discussion with Frank about it, let alone convincing him to edit his teks, is a little out of the way for something that doesn't matter that much.
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Mycologist217
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: tahoe]
#22449256 - 10/29/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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All the same, it isn't savvy for a trusted cultivator to say:
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tahoe said:
No need to remove the floaters. Not sure why the person would recommend it
When trusted cultivators everywhere will point new cultivators to Franks Teks. The reason it was suggested is because the Teks say to. I know you have read and give respect to Frank's tek, his preferred bird seed was specifically mentioned more than once...
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Edited by Mycologist217 (10/29/15 01:32 PM)
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tripdawg420
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i remove floters and straw and sticks and whatever else
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filthyknees
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think about it for a few seconds. Do you think frank or anyone did hundreds of side by side comparison trials between removing and not removing floaters? My mind says obviously no. More that likely it was that growers are weird and generally paranoid. Disagree? Some people think floating seeds ruin grows. Lol.
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tripdawg420
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i do it to make it easyer to rinse ive tryed both yes i like removing them only takes a min to
 
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filthyknees
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No cares you're throwing out a few jars worth per bag?
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tripdawg420
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no dont matter
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Inocuole
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Mycologist217 said: All the same, it isn't savvy for a trusted cultivator to say:
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tahoe said:
No need to remove the floaters. Not sure why the person would recommend it
When trusted cultivators everywhere will point new cultivators to Franks Teks. The reason it was suggested is because the Teks say to. I know you have read and give respect to Frank's tek, his preferred bird seed was specifically mentioned more than once...
Excuse me? Nobody here is being paid to help. Trusted cultivators can recommend whatever they want, savvy or not. It's nobody's job to get with frank about this. If somebody else wrote a WBS prep without removing floaters that one would be the one recommended, but Frank has a lot of good teks in one place and it's easy to recommend his. You're getting paid the same amount as tahoe right now so maybe it's up to you to find us all a suitable tek.
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Tawksin
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: Inocuole]
#22451696 - 10/29/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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Mycologist217 said: All the same, it isn't savvy for a trusted cultivator to say:
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tahoe said:
No need to remove the floaters. Not sure why the person would recommend it
When trusted cultivators everywhere will point new cultivators to Franks Teks. The reason it was suggested is because the Teks say to. I know you have read and give respect to Frank's tek, his preferred bird seed was specifically mentioned more than once...
Excuse me? Nobody here is being paid to help. Trusted cultivators can recommend whatever they want, savvy or not. It's nobody's job to get with frank about this. If somebody else wrote a WBS prep without removing floaters that one would be the one recommended, but Frank has a lot of good teks in one place and it's easy to recommend his. You're getting paid the same amount as tahoe right now so maybe it's up to you to find us all a suitable tek.
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ston3y
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Floaters can definitely be left in without contamination, but I find them to be a pain in the ass. I rinse 5+ times and the floaters really get on my nerves. Like tripdawg said, takes a minute to remove and makes it easier to rinse.
I give the extras to my chickens so no waste there. If you don't have chickens, scatter the extras on your lawn, or compost or sidewalk, just not the trash.
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Inocuole
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Re: Wild bird seed [Re: ston3y]
#22451851 - 10/30/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a more acceptable way to dispose of them, but I also don't rinse my grains.
I remember one of my first batches of WBS being dirty as hell and needing like 10 rinses. I get the same WBS now sometimes and it requires no rinsing at all. 
I dunno wtf I was smoking, nor what everyone else doing this mycology stuff was smoking for the last 15 years. If I had to recommend a viable solution for the hobbyist mushroom grower, take all the floaters and put them in a separate jar and PC that, use it as supplemental spawn. Easier way to avoid this conversation? Use oats.
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