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Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? * 1
    #22443672 - 10/28/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ok - so did you try it? How did you do it? How much did you do? What did you get out of it?

I am 50 - I have a long background with psilocybin - I regularly take dried doses from 5 to 10g (250-500 shrooms). I eventually decided to try AM because they are all over the place here in autumn, whereas LC's are hard to find.

I went into Amanita Muscaria with the idea that I could trip on it - I read a lot of trip reports of people claiming to have had vivid hallucinations and life changing visions along the lines of Ayahuasca. I have tested over the last few months with it, but in my opinion you don't really trip on AM - even though it does cause some changes in perception that can be a bit like a psycoactive. A medium to strong dose AM trip (15-20g) is not even close to a good 2g of psilocybin. Some places advise 20-30g for a strong trip. I wouldn't recommend doing more AM than 20g with the idea that you might trip any more than you will on 15g, or even if you will trip at all. I think it is a mistake to advise doses such as this, as you might also get into unexpected trouble - let me explain why.

What Amanita Muscaria is good for, at least dry AM or any compound of it that is low in Ibotenic Acid and high in Muscimol - is as a sedative. Muscimol, the active ingredient, is an absolutely fantastic and effective sedative. There are drugs that are even based on it, such as Gabaxodol - which is a sedative, basically a sleeping tablet which is a GABA agonist and an NMDA antagonist (anesthetic). Every time I took Amanita Muscaria high in Muscimol - I have slept, really well. I feel numb in places too.

Raw - Not done it. It causes sickness because of Ibotenic Acid, which changes the PH balance in your stomachs gastric acid. So you end up trying to get the acid out again ie. you throw it up, at about same time the effects kick in before you fall asleep. Ibotenic Acid is quite a nasty chemical, even if you do trip on it, so I never did raw AM for that reason. Regardless, all reports confirm sleep as the body changes Ibotenic Acid into Muscimol. So please comment if you did AM raw and especially if you TRIPPED. Maybe Ibotenic Acid might be the only drug in AM that is psycoactive, but most of the advice I read says 'Don't do raw AM's' because of the poisonous nature of Ibotenic Acid.

Dried - Less Ibotenic Acid - more Muscimol. Easier to consume. Causes a positive high but without sickness. I would describe the positive side of it to be a bit like not enough coke when you are totally pissed, but with very little or no trip effect and ALWAYS sleep above about 5g. Sleep will come wherever you are, I've not been able to avoid the effects of it, even in some embarrassing situations. If you are outside or inside, I guess even on the bus or driving the car.... you will sleep suddenly. So don't do things on it or outside - get a room, and some peace and quiet with somebody (preferably sober) to watch you.
  The effect of doses over 5g leads more towards loss of motor skills and causes holes in consciousness. You are literally numb and becoming more numb before sleep kicks in. You become sedated in parts of your brain that usually service the conscious systems like hand and legs movements (primary M1 cortex). This will cause you to stumble, shake and jitter like a geriatric or spastic (who also lose ability of M1). It also has an effect on the frontal pre-cortex region, which leads to momentary losses in consciousness, this gets bigger as you increase the dosage. At between 10-15g this is potentially dangerous - as you will be walking somewhere and then you will suddenly be somewhere else. I have fallen down, spilled hot drinks because of sudden jerky hand movements, pissed on myself because I fell asleep a few seconds during the event, banged myself about by bumping into stuff whilst walking around. It's quite dangerous if you are on your own - anything could happen in those black moments. In sleep, you are under a heavy sedation - I have woken up at the bottom of the stairs and wondered - how did I get here? The pain in my back the day after, led me to believe that I had fallen down them whilst walking about in my sleep, but I don't remember any of it because of the sedative effects of AM. I did wake up a few times during the night of the fall though - with a backwards idea that maybe I was about to go out of the room and down the stairs to a point of sharp consciousness that I was standing at the bottom of the stairs and was about to wake up - was I asleep then or now? I had to check, no - I'm awake....I didn't understand it. I didn't remember the fall or getting up or anything else at this point - I just felt confused about some bad thing that was going to happen. It was just an idea that kept on waking me up.
I have also had my wife trying to wake me for several hours, from a dose of 15g (made into soup), by occasionally slapping, punching and nipping me - she couldn't do it! As I said, it's an effective sedative.   

Soma - Fermented drinks & extracts. So I read that I could make extracts and fermented drinks from AM that would produce effects similar to LSD or psilocybin. So I extracted ambrosia from 20g of dried caps. This is when I fell down the stairs. Sure, I was slightly high - a rational mind, trapped in a body stoned like it had drunk about a quart of whiskey and taken 5 or 6 Valium, I slept like a baby too - but still no trip.

So NOW - I'm on the last experiment with AM. I'm making wine with it that will be ready for christmas 2015. I don't hold any hopes of getting a real trip out of it. Why should it be any different?

What I have learned along the way, is that although AM has had really no trip potential along the lines of psilocybin - it has been a very pleasant tonic. At low doses (less than 5g) it produces a slight lifting of mood - it promotes a kind of indestructible frame of mind, a bit like coke without the ego trip, but with all the bodily trappings of muscle tenseness and nervousness of an upper. It creates a rationality that can be very beneficial to productivity and creativity like an upper. As a tonic - I'm interested in maybe drinking a little wine on a daily basis, but I'm not sure of the long term effects though, probably the same as a little coke or alcohol... but there is little evidence about it.

As for AM visions and trances - I don't believe a word. I would suggest that any vision or trance, whilst on AM - happened whilst sleeping. In sleep we dream, which is a state of imagination induced by nothing more than ordinary sleep - one which AM certainly does help to promote. Lucid dreaming is possible on AM - but only when the dose is SMALL or only on the very back-end of a larger dose, otherwise you will definitely just fall asleep.


If you are an insomniac however - then AM is definitely your fella :cool:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22443735 - 10/28/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the report bro.

As far as I know, we don't get AM in Florida, but I've been wondering about the trip potential. I've read few reports where people tripped, and HARD.

Are you on any sort of medication? Reason is, I think it may be taking away from the effects.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22443766 - 10/28/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Amanita is definitely psychoactive, but it's more of a psychedelic dissociative. If you're not tripping off of it then maybe they aren't being picked, cured, or stored properly. Or maybe they're old or it just doesn't agree with you. Amanita is one of those drugs that takes some patience, knowledge, and dedication to achieve the desired effects, much like salvia or ayahuasca.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22443831 - 10/28/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Muscaria can be incredibly psychoactive and i cherish them more than the mushrooms psilocybe.  They're just very different and also particular to their user.  I highly recommend leaving an offering at the harvest sight(i use hawthorne berries) and consuming a portion ov the batch fresh.

IME, fresh is the most efficacious way ov consumption and entirely safe.  That it's a dangerous way ov consumption is one ov the numerous bits ov misinformation constantly being regurgitated.  I've found fresh no more nausea inducing than dry, and root ov ginger tea completely eliminates the nausea for either IME.

The range ov effects for muscaria can range from simple relaxation at the mild end to gold realm at extremis.  The gold realm is the muscaria equivalent to the arena ov machine elves for dmt, the kurrents for ketamine, and the spider laden world ov tropania.  It's much harder to get to than the above mentioned, but most who have gone far with the mushrooms muscaria will be able to relate to experiencing this secret world ov which i will be mum at describing in detail.  But inbetwixt these states, one may be apt to experience the cathartic sweat(soularly cleansing like a sweat lodge or the aya purge), deep changes in depth and time perception, extensive closed eye visuals(much slower and less abstract than serotonergic psych visuals), great aphrodisia, and the ability to lucid dream.

Here is my muscaria ritual: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17320151

The only substances i like to consume with muscaria are brew ov piper methysticum, cannabis, 4-meo-mipt(yes, 4-meo- it's the shit), or a very low dose ov 5-meo-mipt.  Anything else i've found to overpower the wonder ov muscaria which, as powerful as it is, is very picky unto whom and for how it allows access to its phytognostic bounty.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod]
    #22444143 - 10/28/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

tripping on them sucks its basically a deliriant. theres like huge diff in potency in diff mushrooms depending on where n when the were harvested n junk and the stuff XLcaps said. BUt yeh your suppose to like eat the skin of the cap or summin i dont fucking remember you go deleerious and wake up in a puddle of sweat.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22444163 - 10/28/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You must take some insanely small shrooms if 5 grams is 250


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22444334 - 10/28/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I suspect you may simply be drying them and not thoroughly decarboxylating.

Try an oven cracked open at 190F for 30 minutes on your dry shrooms.  4 caps in vodka after this treatment with one button freshly roasted over a fire did (literally)knock me on my ass, bowled over at the power of the experience- it was stronger than 4g cubensis.  To finish getting there I had quickly recycled my urine two and a half times that night(poured out the last half because it was getting too intense) as Muscimol is rapidly excreted.


After filling my lungs and roaring my soul to the edges of the cosmos, I was fallen... on my back in the desert, eyes open to the stars and astral-projecting up(and in) to make contact with the Grand Ultimate "I AM".  When I came back I had fun acknowledging this awareness by foreseeing and wordlessly controlling the actions of my friends: as they spoke I walked silently and nondescriptly past and up the hillside a ways and they remained talking while following me as I had decided upon.  I turned around walking through them back to camp as they "came to" wondering why they were up a hill.


It is golden light of awareness, love, and creative potential.  It was a wild ride I wasn't quite ready for but felt fucking great... a sitter is recommended, for the first part is pretty uncoordinated ('tho I'm sure firewater doesn't help this aspect; it does synergize well).



I always post this painting (Frenzy of Exultations) on this topic but it well resembles the feelings of that roaring flight of ultimate connection.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: flickedbic]
    #22444428 - 10/28/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I suspect you may simply be drying them and not thoroughly decarboxylating.

Try an oven cracked open at 190F for 30 minutes on your dry shrooms.  4 caps in vodka after this treatment with one button freshly roasted over a fire did (literally)knock me on my ass, bowled over at the power of the experience- it was stronger than 4g cubensis.  To finish getting there I had quickly recycled my urine two and a half times that night(poured out the last half because it was getting too intense) as Muscimol is rapidly excreted.


After filling my lungs and roaring my soul to the edges of the cosmos, I was fallen... on my back in the desert, eyes open to the stars and astral-projecting up(and in) to make contact with the Grand Ultimate "I AM".  When I came back I had fun acknowledging this awareness by foreseeing and wordlessly controlling the actions of my friends: as they spoke I walked silently and nondescriptly past and up the hillside a ways and they remained talking while following me as I had decided upon.  I turned around walking through them back to camp as they "came to" wondering why they were up a hill.


It is golden light of awareness, love, and creative potential.  It was a wild ride I wasn't quite ready for but felt fucking great... a sitter is recommended, for the first part is pretty uncoordinated ('tho I'm sure firewater doesn't help this aspect; it does synergize well).



I always post this painting (Frenzy of Exultations) on this topic but it well resembles the feelings of that roaring flight of ultimate connection.




That sounds intense! Thanks for sharing, both you and the OP!


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22444510 - 10/28/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No - I'm on no medication. But I am on a no carb no sugar diet.

It might just be a problem of perception though. I've used Liberty Cap for many years, since I was 11, and in very large doses in my teens and 20's. We used to do tea made with a couple of thousand raw mushrooms for 3 people. Although I don't do that or want that these days, my idea of a trip is still a bit more than just some slight visual patterns and altered perception - as 500+ LCs will tend to do that for you.

Actually I was pretty much done with mushrooms as they don't grow too well here where I moved, until I stumbled on a few Liberties in a field one day this year. I got about 2g (dried - fresh about 130). I did them in a lunar eclipse of the sun and watched the amazing light of millions of stars in the milky way. Man I have sure missed tripping - what a fabulous night. It was OK for a first trip for ages.

So later on a walk - bingo, there were the AM as if to say 'Come and eat me'. I know a hint when I see it :smile:

Needless to say I picked all the forests I can find to dry. I currently have about 300 AM drying slowly in a warm room. I clean them first with a small brush to remove grass and anything else except the shroom and it's veil.

Well - nothing under 20g so far has done anything except be really good at knocking me out. I tried oven drying them first time - you have to keep the oven under 190 farenheit as far as I know. In frustration I also drank my urine - which prolongs the effects, but no trip.

I get the feeling that AM could be a Royal trip - there is an elegance and a royal depth in the slight visuals that makes me feel that way, but it is far too much in the background. It also has a very curvy almost baroque braided effect to its patterns that appear in stuff like carpets and trees and such. I suppose the baroque feel gives it a royal vibe too. Common dosage is 5-10 light 10 -20 medium and 20-30g strong, and those are dry dosages. The dried versions are like 5 or 6 caps to about 15g - I think I used 8 or 9 to get 20g dried into an extract. Imagine eating 9 fresh Amanita! I'm not going to eat so many of those giant mushrooms fresh - If I wanted a strong trip, I wouldn't physically be able to get them into my stomach to get enough for the recommended levels of Muscimol.

As for doing it wrong - I followed instructions and soaked them to make extract ambrosia in pure grape juice for 12 hours - squeezing gently to help get ambrosia out. It floats on the surface, I've done it with milk where you can see it. This was a very nice tasting un-fermented wine, which sent me to sleep and I woke after falling down the stairs. That's it - not much trip about it. The day after I could get into some Lucid dreaming on the back end of it with closed eyes in a semi-sleep and darkness - Although pretty, the visuals are only like the coming down part of a tiny LC trip.

So I don't get it - there must be something wrong with my chemistry or the mushrooms of the region?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: Sheekle]
    #22444535 - 10/28/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You must take some insanely small shrooms if 5 grams is 250




About 100 dried liberty Caps (semilanceata) is about 2g according to my scale. I just weighed some to make sure! That makes 5g about 2.5 times that.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22444767 - 10/28/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

On that note...

Anyone know what happened with the user who had this name or a name really similar like it? I forgot his user name... he had been around forever and he isn't around anymore I think..


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: flickedbic]
    #22444883 - 10/28/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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flickedbic said:
I suspect you may simply be drying them and not thoroughly decarboxylating.

Try an oven cracked open at 190F for 30 minutes on your dry shrooms.  4 caps in vodka after this treatment with one button freshly roasted over a fire did (literally)knock me on my ass, bowled over at the power of the experience- it was stronger than 4g cubensis.  To finish getting there I had quickly recycled my urine two and a half times that night(poured out the last half because it was getting too intense) as Muscimol is rapidly excreted.


After filling my lungs and roaring my soul to the edges of the cosmos, I was fallen... on my back in the desert, eyes open to the stars and astral-projecting up(and in) to make contact with the Grand Ultimate "I AM".  When I came back I had fun acknowledging this awareness by foreseeing and wordlessly controlling the actions of my friends: as they spoke I walked silently and nondescriptly past and up the hillside a ways and they remained talking while following me as I had decided upon.  I turned around walking through them back to camp as they "came to" wondering why they were up a hill.


It is golden light of awareness, love, and creative potential.  It was a wild ride I wasn't quite ready for but felt fucking great... a sitter is recommended, for the first part is pretty uncoordinated ('tho I'm sure firewater doesn't help this aspect; it does synergize well).



I always post this painting (Frenzy of Exultations) on this topic but it well resembles the feelings of that roaring flight of ultimate connection.




Ok - so if you got a powerful experience on 5 caps - which is about 15g of good dried + little fresh Amanita. That is in the middle range as far as most comparisons go. I'm not sure why you yelled out? did you do it because you wanted to? or did you yell from happiness or fear or what? Anyway - if it was stronger than 4g cubensis, which is slightly less powerful than semilanceata, then it would make it better than about 200 dried LCs. That would be a trip in my book, but it wouldn't be a particularly powerful one. I don't want to sound like a big willy politics person, I'm just trying to work out what to expect and what might be wrong with my logic or my shrooms.

My logic is that 15g dried Amanita has a trip that doesn't even come close to <1g semilanceata in terms of visual trip - so you can see my predicament? 15g AM literally bowls me over too, sure I fall down and sleep, see some swirly patterns - but I don't trip hard. It doesn't even budge my emotional center - It certainly wouldn't make me shout. Whereas even a measly 2g of LCs might still do that if I was in the mood for shouting :smile:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod] * 1
    #22445216 - 10/28/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Muscaria can be incredibly psychoactive and i cherish them more than the mushrooms psilocybe.  They're just very different and also particular to their user.  I highly recommend leaving an offering at the harvest sight(i use hawthorne berries) and consuming a portion ov the batch fresh.

IME, fresh is the most efficacious way ov consumption and entirely safe.  That it's a dangerous way ov consumption is one ov the numerous bits ov misinformation constantly being regurgitated.  I've found fresh no more nausea inducing than dry, and root ov ginger tea completely eliminates the nausea for either IME.

The range ov effects for muscaria can range from simple relaxation at the mild end to gold realm at extremis.  The gold realm is the muscaria equivalent to the arena ov machine elves for dmt, the kurrents for ketamine, and the spider laden world ov tropania.  It's much harder to get to than the above mentioned, but most who have gone far with the mushrooms muscaria will be able to relate to experiencing this secret world ov which i will be mum at describing in detail.  But inbetwixt these states, one may be apt to experience the cathartic sweat(soularly cleansing like a sweat lodge or the aya purge), deep changes in depth and time perception, extensive closed eye visuals(much slower and less abstract than serotonergic psych visuals), great aphrodisia, and the ability to lucid dream.

Here is my muscaria ritual: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17320151

The only substances i like to consume with muscaria are brew ov piper methysticum, cannabis, 4-meo-mipt(yes, 4-meo- it's the shit), or a very low dose ov 5-meo-mipt.  Anything else i've found to overpower the wonder ov muscaria which, as powerful as it is, is very picky unto whom and for how it allows access to its phytognostic bounty.




Thanks for your reply - actually at first I did try to connect with the consciousness in the trees that the AM supply with nourishment. I spent a couple of minutes trying to harmonize with the forest. I told the community that I was thankful for the harvest. But this was only the first few times I was out at the start of the season where there were many AM. At the end of the season I virtually raped the forest of everything I could find. This harvest did not have the same effect as the ones from start of season where I connected into the forest and gave thanks, but maybe the ones at the start of season were much better? or maybe I've been doing them too often and I have created an immunity response?.
You also describe something that hits a note with me here. I have tried to consume large amounts of dried AM over several days - an initial dose, plus boosting my blood levels with two caps or so more every couple of hours in an attempt to avoid the powerful sleep from a very large initial dose over 20g (I didn't manage it and fell asleep anyway). I did though get into a nice place awake that had a powerful golden quality to it, squidgy soft and curly with a powerful magnet that wanted to pull me around, and I managed to dream in the morning when I woke - nice dreams, colorful insects that were responsible for maintaining human consciousness, feeding off it, I could hear them. Then I was inside a snail with colorful neurotransmitters as electrical tendons connected to a giant brain in a forest of pine. It was all very calm and benign, complete with great sound effects - although I did dream of my own death and something was guiding me. I'm not religious. I think this is the best state - half-asleep, which allows the dream to become more real as it's still using conscious brain circuitry to guide the dream.

Funny nobody has mentioned sleep yet! I get it every time - nobody here gets it? What about twitches and glitches?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22445598 - 10/28/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I experimented with them a bit over the Autumn-Winter of 2005. They didn't do much for me except get me "drunk"
They were very sedating and relaxing, and they tended to give me very vivid and chaotic dreams. I can't really say they ever gave me much of a trip though.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: FrozenHappiness]
    #22445650 - 10/28/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I experimented with them a bit over the Autumn-Winter of 2005. They didn't do much for me except get me "drunk"
They were very sedating and relaxing, and they tended to give me very vivid and chaotic dreams. I can't really say they ever gave me much of a trip though.




Exactly my sentiments. Can you remember how much you did and was it dry or raw? did you buy it? or pick them yourself?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22445771 - 10/28/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I picked them myself, and I dried them in an oven with the door open @ 200F untill they were cracker dry. I experimented with dosages ranging from 10-30 grams. Higher doses gave me a more pronounced drunk feeling with some slurring of speech and loss of coordination. Higher doses also tended to make my body feel hot and sweaty while I was under the influence, sometimes I got mild GI upset, and I noticed that my bowel movements were much looser the day after ingesting -- so, i never really wanted to increase the dose past 30 grams.

Some people are able to cultivate a mystical relationship with Amanitas. I hear that Amanita users get more out of their experiences when they recycle their urine, but don't have it in me to drink my own pee-pee.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22445793 - 10/28/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Funny nobody has mentioned sleep yet! I get it every time - nobody here gets it? What about twitches and glitches?




I get sleep eventually!  It's an amazing sleep if going through with it, but i like to set my alarm every 90 minutes or so to help with dream lucidity.  And i do get an occasional twitch, but it's not discomforting. 

One thing about muscaria that i've talked about before is that i've found them to have the absolute best and longest earth phase(afterglow) out ov any substance i've had, which is many.  For days after a muscaria experience, i am in a very peaceful, happy, and even euphoric state.  And unlike with most psychedelics, i attain this cathartic and serene earth phase every time.

The mushrooms muscaria are one ov the triune ov my most treasured substances.  In my world, muscaria is the most mystical, ketamine the most soular, and dxm the most magickal.  I'm well aware that many others will not share the same sentiments. 

Muscaria is'nt for everyone.  Certainly not for this clown.... 

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tripping on them sucks its basically a deliriant. theres like huge diff in potency in diff mushrooms depending on where n when the were harvested n junk and the stuff XLcaps said. BUt yeh your suppose to like eat the skin of the cap or summin i dont fucking remember you go deleerious and wake up in a puddle of sweat.




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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod]
    #22446119 - 10/28/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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One thing about muscaria that i've talked about before is that i've found them to have the absolute best and longest earth phase(afterglow) out ov any substance i've had, which is many. 




I noticed that too. The lingering effect is very long - over days, but I never left it too long between meals yet :smile:

I am really happy for AM, because I really do think that they might have a beneficial effect on general health at really small dosages. I'm making wine ATM, and when it's fermented by christmas - it will be full of Ibotenic acid at this point. Then I can experiment and choose whether to decarboxylate IA to Muscimol, and if there is any difference in the effect of it. I don't like what I read about IA, but if it is responsible for the trip part, then I definitely want to try. Unfortunately the frost is here, and there are no fresh AM growing in the forest to gobble. I looked everywhere. 

I still think though that the high dry dosages recommended for 'strong trips' ie. 30g as a one time ingestion - recommended on many sites, including this one, is deceiving people into thinking that more AM makes for a better trip. This is not the case in my experience - I only ever got remotely close to a good trip ingesting about 40g over two days in a cap for cap build up - which puts my on the spot blood level to less than 20g in a single day - and if you work on fitting 2 standard trips into one day, then my blood level is less than 10g - and this was the best 'trip' I have ever had on AM. Every attempt between 10g and 20g AM in one go has led to deep sleep, nervous twitches and glitches and walking about dangerously intoxicated and bumping into stuff. I wouldn't dare do 30g AM in one go to be totally honest.
On the other hand this site suggests that the highest level (5) of psilocybin trip is only 4.7g dried - that's only about 230 fresh LC's! I've done 3x that and had nice and pleasant medium quality trips, and then I once ate a handful of the smallest LC's you ever saw - the first of the early season - maybe about 50 LC's each the size of less than a blade of grass - and they blew my head right off. I was not expecting to be swimming in a chocolate sea with cardboard cutout hand sketched scenery on 50 puny shrooms! Pure strawberry fields. Go figure.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22446191 - 10/28/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Fine eat a ton f muscaria idgaf amanitas semen mixed with drugs whatever you want idfk im telling you what wil happen to you if you eat a bunch you basically hole and its like pcp but way way worse.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22446266 - 10/28/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Aminitas are extremely powerful.  But not everybody gets psychoactive effects from them.

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    #22446389 - 10/28/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Fine eat a ton f muscaria idgaf amanitas semen mixed with drugs whatever you want idfk im telling you what wil happen to you if you eat a bunch you basically hole and its like pcp but way way worse.




Will do.  I love all the things you mention here.  Muscaria, semen, holing, pcp.  All fantastic stuff.  I would'nt recommend them to all though. Especially semen consumed intravaginally.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod]
    #22446555 - 10/28/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well this has gotten out of hand.  To OP.  You have to drink your piss.  Apparently shamans could pass it through their urine 6 times before its all done.  Sounds like a freaky fetish party to me.  But they say it gets you high as FUCK!

It makes you wonder what would happen if you drank your urine after taking psilocybin.:strokebeard:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22446569 - 10/28/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

active amanita species are indeed psychoactive.

eating them raw is stupid, for various reasons. don't do that. i've done it.

for the true "trip" you will want to eat the caps dried.  its around like 5-10 grams of dried pantherina, around 20-30 grams of dried muscaria/ formosa/ guesowii/ americmuscaria/ what the fuck ever other active species you have. this yeilds a more full dark delerium trip equipt with open and closed eye visuals, as well as auditory and tactile hallucinations. it's nothing like cubensis or lsd or dmt aor anythign else.




here's my ye old extract tek

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13328498


i primarily use amanita panthernia whenever i dose amanita.

muscaria is weak shit:macdre:


extracting  gives you much less of a trip then eating dried caps. stems are pretty much dead weight when it comes to actives.
muscazone, ibotenic acid, and muscimol; each more prevalent in the different stages of preparation and consumption, and varying by species obvy.. muscimol by itself like this is more akin to zolpidem than anything else. which is a hypnotic experience. a slap in the GABA


i have an assload of some of the most potent panther caps ive ever had. so at some point i'll be doing a chemical extraction to get muscimol and theen salt it into hcl or something' i just haven't had the time.

i like to toss this pic around whenever the subject comes to light.




thats crystallized muscimol, mostl with probabilistic remnants of ibotenic acid and muscazone, few other trace alkaloids, stuck in the complex sugars and nano cellular particles of the extraction process, that shit needs filtered out. and this all ideally need to be done at specific temperatures in specific stages.muscimol is kinda fragile outside of the fruitbody.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: Salomon]
    #22446721 - 10/28/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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eating them raw is stupid, for various reasons. don't do that. i've done it.




I've done it numerous times and will continue to eat raw muscaria.  I've even eaten raw muscaria minutes after picking at a shroomery gathering to prove how safe it is.  It's more potent, quicker acting, and my preferred manner ov consumption.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod]
    #22446756 - 10/28/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

how much can you eat though? if you were estimating dried weight from the ammount of wet fresh fruitt bodies to get an effecient trip. what do you consider to be your ideal functionality point in tripping?

which is to say how hard are you grinding the brain stone.... because i mean unless you have a huge fucking stomache, you're probably not eating comparatively am mounts of actives. :storkebeard:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: flickedbic]
    #22447351 - 10/29/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I suspect you may simply be drying them and not thoroughly decarboxylating.

Try an oven cracked open at 190F for 30 minutes on your dry shrooms.  4 caps in vodka after this treatment with one button freshly roasted over a fire did (literally)knock me on my ass, bowled over at the power of the experience- it was stronger than 4g cubensis.  To finish getting there I had quickly recycled my urine two and a half times that night(poured out the last half because it was getting too intense) as Muscimol is rapidly excreted.


After filling my lungs and roaring my soul to the edges of the cosmos, I was fallen... on my back in the desert, eyes open to the stars and astral-projecting up(and in) to make contact with the Grand Ultimate "I AM".  When I came back I had fun acknowledging this awareness by foreseeing and wordlessly controlling the actions of my friends: as they spoke I walked silently and nondescriptly past and up the hillside a ways and they remained talking while following me as I had decided upon.  I turned around walking through them back to camp as they "came to" wondering why they were up a hill.


It is golden light of awareness, love, and creative potential.  It was a wild ride I wasn't quite ready for but felt fucking great... a sitter is recommended, for the first part is pretty uncoordinated ('tho I'm sure firewater doesn't help this aspect; it does synergize well).



I always post this painting (Frenzy of Exultations) on this topic but it well resembles the feelings of that roaring flight of ultimate connection.





Maybe im reading this wrong, but you drank your piss...twice..? :awwhellno:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22447437 - 10/29/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Past experience with AM has dosage levels to par with what Erowid.org shares. here  A laughing mess of fun one night at higher dosage, 15-25g.  Lower doses of 5g does noticable changes to body and mind. All pleasurable experiences. 

Friend, would you be interested to trade some AM for some hand picked morning glory seeds?  Eye then could share my experience of your pickings and relate to past times.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #22447572 - 10/29/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Look I guess you'd just really have to lay off the asparagus for a week and hope to god you can stomach your own piss not once but twice...  Man that's a LONG way to go for an experience....


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lowbrow]
    #22447745 - 10/29/15 03:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Aminitas are extremely powerful.  But not everybody gets psychoactive effects from them.

You could try drinking your pee when your on them.:shrug:




I eventually did it - but it didn't help.

Ibotenic Acid doesn't necessarily change to Muscimol by drying alone, or in the body I found out. Tea I tried too, kept it going for an hour at 185f - tasted like shit, no real trip - just twitches and time distortion, followed by sleep.

I have an idea. What I didn't try yet is cooked ambrosia - ie. soak 15g caps in 1/4 litre grape juice at room temp for about 8 or 12 hours. Strain - then mix down 1:4 with water and then simmer the mixture at 185 for an hour. This will taste good when cool, and should have been properly decarboxylated into Muscimol.

I'm not sure whether to add water first then simmer, or to simmer pure juice first then add water. There is something about the carbon and long chain muscimol molecules forming that happens when water is added.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22447761 - 10/29/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Flat out may've not been potent amanita.  Aren't they notorious for stuff like that?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: Salomon]
    #22448017 - 10/29/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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i primarily use amanita panthernia whenever i dose amanita.




Wish I could find those - because the Amanita round here are shit.

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muscaria is weak shit:macdre:




I agree - I have even drunk my own piss and still get nothing from it.

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thats crystallized muscimol, mostl with probabilistic remnants of ibotenic acid and muscazone, few other trace alkaloids, stuck in the complex sugars and nano cellular particles of the extraction process, that shit needs filtered out. and this all ideally need to be done at specific temperatures in specific stages.muscimol is kinda fragile outside of the fruitbody.




Where do I learn to do that?

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22448046 - 10/29/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well this has gotten out of hand.  To OP.  You have to drink your piss.  Apparently shamans could pass it through their urine 6 times before its all done.  Sounds like a freaky fetish party to me.  But they say it gets you high as FUCK!

It makes you wonder what would happen if you drank your urine after taking psilocybin.:strokebeard:



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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: Salomon]
    #22448081 - 10/29/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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how much can you eat though? if you were estimating dried weight from the ammount of wet fresh fruitt bodies to get an effecient trip. what do you consider to be your ideal functionality point in tripping?

which is to say how hard are you grinding the brain stone.... because i mean unless you have a huge fucking stomache, you're probably not eating comparatively am mounts of actives. :storkebeard:




My last muscaria journey was 44.9g fresh caps var. guessowii with brew ov piper methysticum from 14.5g, cannabis, and 23mg oral 4-meo-mipt.  The muscaria came through beautifully at that dosage.  Note that muscaria does not lose as much weight % when drying as smaller mushrooms like cubensis.  I'd roughly say that by weight, that dosage was equivalent to about 15g dried guessowii ov self harvest and 28g red vendoritas(vendor bought a.m.).  Other experiences i've had with fresh equate similarly.

I do'nt find consuming fresh muscaria a problem at all.  The extra weight is just water weight and i consume less in quantity since they're more potent.  I always consume muscaria on an empty stomach following root ov ginger tea with honey and trace colloidal gold.  Stomach issues are not a concern for me with either fresh or dried( i do know that they are for some though), but i do get the poops sometimes.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod]
    #22448638 - 10/29/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I did piss already - damn disgusting and no more potent than a glass of piss

I reckon wet dry ratio is about 10 to 1, a big 40g cap dries to somewhere between 3 and 4g.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22449690 - 10/29/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The active is Muscimol, not Ibotenic acid.

You cannot decarboxylate by simmering; but need dry heat: grill, oven, fire...


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: flickedbic]
    #22451615 - 10/29/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The active is Muscimol, not Ibotenic acid.

You cannot decarboxylate by simmering; but need dry heat: grill, oven, fire...




OK - goes against what most people say. but then again what most people have said so far hasn't worked :smile:

How would you process dry shrooms in a fire? and do you have any idea why it has to be dry heat?

It's way past season and all my fresh AM are paper dry now. 3 days close to a furnace/boiler - temp is under 200. That's dry heat - but they don't work on me.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22451658 - 10/29/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I just read somebody who posted on tribe, who has the same experience as I have had....

I qoute user Mist Mystlylplix

"I think one problem with AM's is people think they have to take them like psilocybes... i.e. all at once. AM's are better imbibed more gradually. Imagine walking into a bar, ordering a whole nights worth of drinks, then downing them all within a half hour.... you'ld be sick as a dog. But drink those same drinks over 3-5 hours and it's a whole different experience. AM's are like that. There's no 'instant tolerance' thing with them like with psilocybes, so there's no need to binge."


This sounds about right to me. The only time I have had anything close to a trip is doing it over 2 days - a couple of caps every few hours or so.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod]
    #22451834 - 10/30/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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My last muscaria journey was 44.9g fresh caps var. guessowii with brew ov piper methysticum from 14.5g, cannabis, and 23mg oral 4-meo-mipt.  The muscaria came through beautifully at that dosage.  Note that muscaria does not lose as much weight % when drying as smaller mushrooms like cubensis.  I'd roughly say that by weight, that dosage was equivalent to about 15g dried guessowii ov self harvest and 28g red vendoritas(vendor bought a.m.).  Other experiences i've had with fresh equate similarly.





Considering that all my fresh AM have dried out at pretty close to 10:1 I don't see how your 45g of fresh caps can be 'equivalent to about 15g dried guessowii ov self harvest and 28g red vendoritas(vendor bought a.m.)'

I'm guessing you mean EITHER 15 self harvest OR 28g vendor bought, and not as you word it - 15g AND 28g, which = 43g

In my book 45g wet dries out to 10 times less = 4.5g! - I don't know how you would call that a journey, but then again you mixed it with all sorts of other stuff, which would make any scientific conclusion impossible - you could guess though I suppose.

I'm trying to work out systematically what AM does - so I'm just taking doses of dry AM - up until now conclusions look kinda like this.

2g - nothing
3g - slight high
5g - glitches of consciousness and feeling tired, short sleep, no visual, but slight contrast enhancement
10g - glitches, twitching muscles, longer sleep and minor visuals + slight but nice high
15g - glitches, twitches, deep unconscious sleep, minor visuals and more lingering high
20g - less glitches, much more twitches, very deep sleep, bumping into stuff, falling down stairs - more visual but shit compared to real shrooms.

40g over 2 days - no more than 5g in any one dose. Built up a good feeling by the second day with a more visual experience eyes open that was starting to get there in parts, but no hallucinations. Some nice dreams and ideas in semi sleep though (LD). Avoided bumping into stuff and falling down any stairs because the doses were small but frequent.

Generally I think as I have gotten more used to it, I have ignored some of the more disturbing elements - but it's still crap on the whole, although I do like the 2-5g range as a pick me up tonic - and the 40+ party over a few days - everything inbetween though was shit.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22451849 - 10/30/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I have an idea. What I didn't try yet is cooked ambrosia - ie. soak 15g caps in 1/4 litre grape juice at room temp for about 8 or 12 hours. Strain - then mix down 1:4 with water and then simmer the mixture at 185 for an hour. This will taste good when cool, and should have been properly decarboxylated into Muscimol.

I'm not sure whether to add water first then simmer, or to simmer pure juice first then add water. There is something about the carbon and long chain muscimol molecules forming that happens when water is added.

Well that will keep me busy this weekend then :smile:







I read an ebook a long time ago which talked about use of muscaria, and they did discuss some unique sounding preparations. I think one of them might have involved grape juice. And I believe it touched on some of the other methods you've mentioned.

There was a very spiritual angle to the book as well, and IIRC they were trying to make claim that Amanita was used as an early Christian sacrament, or something like that.


Wish I could remember where I found this (very well might have been here. lol) but I might still have the pdf around somewhere. Though it could be tricky to turn up, if I even still have it. (Just had a quick look and it's not on this computer. Maybe on my external or somewhere else...)


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22451872 - 10/30/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Or would have been a better word choice, yes.  I had meant 15g self harvest or 28g vendoritas, which were alwas less potent IME.  But honestly, going by weight is'nt the best guide for muscaria.  I just know when i've eaten enough and weigh as i go along.

I've never had them dry out to 10:1 ratio.  Maybe it's because i only work with var. guessowii, or maybe it's because i use a dehydrator.  I do'nt know.  Weight is'nt a good guide; intuition is once one gains a working relationship with them.

I agree to eat them slowly, but i do'nt like eating them too slowly. I typically take an hour to consume a dose with dry, but less for fresh.

Do you imbibe in cannabis?  Although i do like the synergy, i can get on with muscaria without any other agents added.  However, i've heard from numerous people that cannabis REALLY ramped up the effects ov A.M. for them.

Muscaria is'nt for all.  It may be time to accept that they are'nt to your liking and there's nothing wrong with that.  I never got much out ov n,n-dmt personally.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #22452136 - 10/30/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Wish I could remember where I found this (very well might have been here. lol) but I might still have the pdf around somewhere. Though it could be tricky to turn up, if I even still have it. (Just had a quick look and it's not on this computer. Maybe on my external or somewhere else...)




It's Donala E. Teeter's E-paper. http://ambrosiasociety.org/download.html

Worth a read. It's got some recipes for Wine and other stuff. I'm making the wine ATM - should be ready by christmas :smile:

I only expect it to be good as a pick up tonic. So far I've not really had much luck with AM - I think Muscimol is tricky to get from Muscaria. I do know that none of the methods for decarboxylating AM have worked for me. Dry heat, simmering, tea, ambrosia etc.

So growing the mycelium in a sterile jar (ibotenic acid) then getting it to 190 is the last shot I'm gonna give this.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22452150 - 10/30/15 03:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I heard fantastic accounts of visionary A.Muscaria trips so yes, it can be quite entheogenic.



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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22454109 - 10/30/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It's Donala E. Teeter's E-paper. http://ambrosiasociety.org/download.html

Worth a read. It's got some recipes for Wine and other stuff. I'm making the wine ATM - should be ready by christmas :smile:

I only expect it to be good as a pick up tonic. So far I've not really had much luck with AM - I think Muscimol is tricky to get from Muscaria. I do know that none of the methods for decarboxylating AM have worked for me. Dry heat, simmering, tea, ambrosia etc.

So growing the mycelium in a sterile jar (ibotenic acid) then getting it to 190 is the last shot I'm gonna give this.






Yeah, pretty sure that's it. Figures you'd know exactly what I was talking about. :lol:

And thanks for the link, because I looked through my external HD and ebook archives last night, and didn't see it anywhere.

Good luck with the experiments! Let us know how it turns out. I've always been kinda fascinated by this stuff, but pretty scared to try it.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod] * 1
    #22457518 - 10/31/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Muscaria is'nt for all.  It may be time to accept that they are'nt to your liking and there's nothing wrong with that.  I never got much out ov n,n-dmt personally.





:smile: Well - I like em. I think just as much as Psilocybin, well in a different way. They give a me a totally controllable trip if I build it up. I like doing that. Taking more than 10g at one is not for me, it knocks me out, but today I've eaten about 3 or 4 caps so far, and I'm not sleepy and it's getting nice. Playing along to some fine music, nibbling and chilling with Muscaria.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22457597 - 10/31/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe you would trip more if you ate them raw.  If what you said about the ibotenic acid content is true.  It's more the psychedelic part of the mushroom.  You are correct about the GABAergic properties of the muscimol.  It's like taking a lorazapam or barb.  The vikings used to eat Amanita muscaria to ease pre-battle jitters.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: Hippocampus]
    #22457760 - 10/31/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe you would trip more if you ate them raw.  If what you said about the ibotenic acid content is true.  It's more the psychedelic part of the mushroom.  You are correct about the GABAergic properties of the muscimol.  It's like taking a lorazapam or barb.  The vikings used to eat Amanita muscaria to ease pre-battle jitters.





I've got one little cap that is half raw. It's the last I found this year. So down the hatch with it, see what happens.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #22465852 - 11/02/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Good luck with the experiments! Let us know how it turns out. I've always been kinda fascinated by this stuff, but pretty scared to try it.




Don't be scared - work it out. If you are an adult, then you can always keep the dose very low to experiment with - first I did was 2 gram. If you are under 18, then ignore me. You will ignore me no matter what I say anyway.

I would suggest eating a cap every 1.5 or 2 hours, and don't drink your piss, especially if you have a stash - as the so called 'living water' does nothing that the dried AM doesn't do - believe me. Those claims are just pure BS - but then again, I guess if supplies are limited, and you don't believe me... (I had to try it to cross it off my list of potentials)

I (50), find them a very weak 'trip' in effect compared to say liberty caps. 250 Liberty caps (4.5g) can take you places, but AM has not really took me anywhere yet - maybe down the stairs if you count that (I must have tripped :smile:).

BUT - maybe it effects everyone differently.. for me it is not like tripping on Psilocybin - it's comparable in moments of weak visuals, but nothing even close to Psilocybin. I would say for me that one gram dry AM is comparable to about 2 raw Liberty Cap mushrooms as a visual psychoactive. So 10g of AM has a visual quality of about 20 LC's - really weak and in a different way. BUT even 15g of AM is dangerous SEDATIVE, it will knock me out and cause me to sleep (and to walk) - and at high doses it doesn't give me any more visual trip than say 30 LC's do. 

I fell again in an AM sleep last night, after 40g over the weekend. This time it was only at the top of the stairs, but it was enough that I remember talking to my wife about something related to her concern over me. I couldn't remember the event - so I asked her why we spoke in the night. She told me she heard me fall over on the landing at the top of the stairs. She came in and asked if I was OK. 

This is why I think over 10g is potentially dangerous, as I have no control over what I do when I sleep on AM. Plus I NEVER sleepwalk normally. So if you start suddenly walking about like I do, then it's probably not a good idea to be messing around with large doses hoping to get a better trip (which I wasn't even doing).


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: Salomon]
    #26335143 - 11/21/19 07:18 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Could you give me a little help please, I'm also trying to isolate the Alkaloids.

Could you tell me what your process is to get the result you show here? And did you move forward with this and salt out the Muscimol? If so is there any chance you could give me a break down on how you took this further.

Really exciting and interesting stuff, thank you for sharing!

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #26335355 - 11/21/19 08:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It’s not active for everybody.  My experience was extremely psychoactive.


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