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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22446389 - 10/28/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Fine eat a ton f muscaria idgaf amanitas semen mixed with drugs whatever you want idfk im telling you what wil happen to you if you eat a bunch you basically hole and its like pcp but way way worse.




Will do.  I love all the things you mention here.  Muscaria, semen, holing, pcp.  All fantastic stuff.  I would'nt recommend them to all though. Especially semen consumed intravaginally.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod]
    #22446555 - 10/28/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well this has gotten out of hand.  To OP.  You have to drink your piss.  Apparently shamans could pass it through their urine 6 times before its all done.  Sounds like a freaky fetish party to me.  But they say it gets you high as FUCK!

It makes you wonder what would happen if you drank your urine after taking psilocybin.:strokebeard:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22446569 - 10/28/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

active amanita species are indeed psychoactive.

eating them raw is stupid, for various reasons. don't do that. i've done it.

for the true "trip" you will want to eat the caps dried.  its around like 5-10 grams of dried pantherina, around 20-30 grams of dried muscaria/ formosa/ guesowii/ americmuscaria/ what the fuck ever other active species you have. this yeilds a more full dark delerium trip equipt with open and closed eye visuals, as well as auditory and tactile hallucinations. it's nothing like cubensis or lsd or dmt aor anythign else.




here's my ye old extract tek

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13328498


i primarily use amanita panthernia whenever i dose amanita.

muscaria is weak shit:macdre:


extracting  gives you much less of a trip then eating dried caps. stems are pretty much dead weight when it comes to actives.
muscazone, ibotenic acid, and muscimol; each more prevalent in the different stages of preparation and consumption, and varying by species obvy.. muscimol by itself like this is more akin to zolpidem than anything else. which is a hypnotic experience. a slap in the GABA


i have an assload of some of the most potent panther caps ive ever had. so at some point i'll be doing a chemical extraction to get muscimol and theen salt it into hcl or something' i just haven't had the time.

i like to toss this pic around whenever the subject comes to light.




thats crystallized muscimol, mostl with probabilistic remnants of ibotenic acid and muscazone, few other trace alkaloids, stuck in the complex sugars and nano cellular particles of the extraction process, that shit needs filtered out. and this all ideally need to be done at specific temperatures in specific stages.muscimol is kinda fragile outside of the fruitbody.

i didnt even read the thread yet, just skimmed OP


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: Salomon]
    #22446721 - 10/28/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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eating them raw is stupid, for various reasons. don't do that. i've done it.




I've done it numerous times and will continue to eat raw muscaria.  I've even eaten raw muscaria minutes after picking at a shroomery gathering to prove how safe it is.  It's more potent, quicker acting, and my preferred manner ov consumption.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod]
    #22446756 - 10/28/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

how much can you eat though? if you were estimating dried weight from the ammount of wet fresh fruitt bodies to get an effecient trip. what do you consider to be your ideal functionality point in tripping?

which is to say how hard are you grinding the brain stone.... because i mean unless you have a huge fucking stomache, you're probably not eating comparatively am mounts of actives. :storkebeard:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: flickedbic]
    #22447351 - 10/29/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I suspect you may simply be drying them and not thoroughly decarboxylating.

Try an oven cracked open at 190F for 30 minutes on your dry shrooms.  4 caps in vodka after this treatment with one button freshly roasted over a fire did (literally)knock me on my ass, bowled over at the power of the experience- it was stronger than 4g cubensis.  To finish getting there I had quickly recycled my urine two and a half times that night(poured out the last half because it was getting too intense) as Muscimol is rapidly excreted.


After filling my lungs and roaring my soul to the edges of the cosmos, I was fallen... on my back in the desert, eyes open to the stars and astral-projecting up(and in) to make contact with the Grand Ultimate "I AM".  When I came back I had fun acknowledging this awareness by foreseeing and wordlessly controlling the actions of my friends: as they spoke I walked silently and nondescriptly past and up the hillside a ways and they remained talking while following me as I had decided upon.  I turned around walking through them back to camp as they "came to" wondering why they were up a hill.


It is golden light of awareness, love, and creative potential.  It was a wild ride I wasn't quite ready for but felt fucking great... a sitter is recommended, for the first part is pretty uncoordinated ('tho I'm sure firewater doesn't help this aspect; it does synergize well).



I always post this painting (Frenzy of Exultations) on this topic but it well resembles the feelings of that roaring flight of ultimate connection.





Maybe im reading this wrong, but you drank your piss...twice..? :awwhellno:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22447437 - 10/29/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Past experience with AM has dosage levels to par with what Erowid.org shares. here  A laughing mess of fun one night at higher dosage, 15-25g.  Lower doses of 5g does noticable changes to body and mind. All pleasurable experiences. 

Friend, would you be interested to trade some AM for some hand picked morning glory seeds?  Eye then could share my experience of your pickings and relate to past times.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #22447572 - 10/29/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Look I guess you'd just really have to lay off the asparagus for a week and hope to god you can stomach your own piss not once but twice...  Man that's a LONG way to go for an experience....


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lowbrow]
    #22447745 - 10/29/15 03:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Aminitas are extremely powerful.  But not everybody gets psychoactive effects from them.

You could try drinking your pee when your on them.:shrug:




I eventually did it - but it didn't help.

Ibotenic Acid doesn't necessarily change to Muscimol by drying alone, or in the body I found out. Tea I tried too, kept it going for an hour at 185f - tasted like shit, no real trip - just twitches and time distortion, followed by sleep.

I have an idea. What I didn't try yet is cooked ambrosia - ie. soak 15g caps in 1/4 litre grape juice at room temp for about 8 or 12 hours. Strain - then mix down 1:4 with water and then simmer the mixture at 185 for an hour. This will taste good when cool, and should have been properly decarboxylated into Muscimol.

I'm not sure whether to add water first then simmer, or to simmer pure juice first then add water. There is something about the carbon and long chain muscimol molecules forming that happens when water is added.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22447761 - 10/29/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Flat out may've not been potent amanita.  Aren't they notorious for stuff like that?


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: Salomon]
    #22448017 - 10/29/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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i primarily use amanita panthernia whenever i dose amanita.




Wish I could find those - because the Amanita round here are shit.

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muscaria is weak shit:macdre:




I agree - I have even drunk my own piss and still get nothing from it.

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thats crystallized muscimol, mostl with probabilistic remnants of ibotenic acid and muscazone, few other trace alkaloids, stuck in the complex sugars and nano cellular particles of the extraction process, that shit needs filtered out. and this all ideally need to be done at specific temperatures in specific stages.muscimol is kinda fragile outside of the fruitbody.




Where do I learn to do that?

Great info Salomon - I was starting think there was something wrong with me :wink:


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22448046 - 10/29/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Well this has gotten out of hand.  To OP.  You have to drink your piss.  Apparently shamans could pass it through their urine 6 times before its all done.  Sounds like a freaky fetish party to me.  But they say it gets you high as FUCK!

It makes you wonder what would happen if you drank your urine after taking psilocybin.:strokebeard:



There was a thread in TPE about a guy doing that with cubes. It works, apparently.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: Salomon]
    #22448081 - 10/29/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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how much can you eat though? if you were estimating dried weight from the ammount of wet fresh fruitt bodies to get an effecient trip. what do you consider to be your ideal functionality point in tripping?

which is to say how hard are you grinding the brain stone.... because i mean unless you have a huge fucking stomache, you're probably not eating comparatively am mounts of actives. :storkebeard:




My last muscaria journey was 44.9g fresh caps var. guessowii with brew ov piper methysticum from 14.5g, cannabis, and 23mg oral 4-meo-mipt.  The muscaria came through beautifully at that dosage.  Note that muscaria does not lose as much weight % when drying as smaller mushrooms like cubensis.  I'd roughly say that by weight, that dosage was equivalent to about 15g dried guessowii ov self harvest and 28g red vendoritas(vendor bought a.m.).  Other experiences i've had with fresh equate similarly.

I do'nt find consuming fresh muscaria a problem at all.  The extra weight is just water weight and i consume less in quantity since they're more potent.  I always consume muscaria on an empty stomach following root ov ginger tea with honey and trace colloidal gold.  Stomach issues are not a concern for me with either fresh or dried( i do know that they are for some though), but i do get the poops sometimes.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod]
    #22448638 - 10/29/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I did piss already - damn disgusting and no more potent than a glass of piss

I reckon wet dry ratio is about 10 to 1, a big 40g cap dries to somewhere between 3 and 4g.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22449690 - 10/29/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The active is Muscimol, not Ibotenic acid.

You cannot decarboxylate by simmering; but need dry heat: grill, oven, fire...


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: flickedbic]
    #22451615 - 10/29/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The active is Muscimol, not Ibotenic acid.

You cannot decarboxylate by simmering; but need dry heat: grill, oven, fire...




OK - goes against what most people say. but then again what most people have said so far hasn't worked :smile:

How would you process dry shrooms in a fire? and do you have any idea why it has to be dry heat?

It's way past season and all my fresh AM are paper dry now. 3 days close to a furnace/boiler - temp is under 200. That's dry heat - but they don't work on me.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22451658 - 10/29/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I just read somebody who posted on tribe, who has the same experience as I have had....

I qoute user Mist Mystlylplix

"I think one problem with AM's is people think they have to take them like psilocybes... i.e. all at once. AM's are better imbibed more gradually. Imagine walking into a bar, ordering a whole nights worth of drinks, then downing them all within a half hour.... you'ld be sick as a dog. But drink those same drinks over 3-5 hours and it's a whole different experience. AM's are like that. There's no 'instant tolerance' thing with them like with psilocybes, so there's no need to binge."


This sounds about right to me. The only time I have had anything close to a trip is doing it over 2 days - a couple of caps every few hours or so.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod]
    #22451834 - 10/30/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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My last muscaria journey was 44.9g fresh caps var. guessowii with brew ov piper methysticum from 14.5g, cannabis, and 23mg oral 4-meo-mipt.  The muscaria came through beautifully at that dosage.  Note that muscaria does not lose as much weight % when drying as smaller mushrooms like cubensis.  I'd roughly say that by weight, that dosage was equivalent to about 15g dried guessowii ov self harvest and 28g red vendoritas(vendor bought a.m.).  Other experiences i've had with fresh equate similarly.





Considering that all my fresh AM have dried out at pretty close to 10:1 I don't see how your 45g of fresh caps can be 'equivalent to about 15g dried guessowii ov self harvest and 28g red vendoritas(vendor bought a.m.)'

I'm guessing you mean EITHER 15 self harvest OR 28g vendor bought, and not as you word it - 15g AND 28g, which = 43g

In my book 45g wet dries out to 10 times less = 4.5g! - I don't know how you would call that a journey, but then again you mixed it with all sorts of other stuff, which would make any scientific conclusion impossible - you could guess though I suppose.

I'm trying to work out systematically what AM does - so I'm just taking doses of dry AM - up until now conclusions look kinda like this.

2g - nothing
3g - slight high
5g - glitches of consciousness and feeling tired, short sleep, no visual, but slight contrast enhancement
10g - glitches, twitching muscles, longer sleep and minor visuals + slight but nice high
15g - glitches, twitches, deep unconscious sleep, minor visuals and more lingering high
20g - less glitches, much more twitches, very deep sleep, bumping into stuff, falling down stairs - more visual but shit compared to real shrooms.

40g over 2 days - no more than 5g in any one dose. Built up a good feeling by the second day with a more visual experience eyes open that was starting to get there in parts, but no hallucinations. Some nice dreams and ideas in semi sleep though (LD). Avoided bumping into stuff and falling down any stairs because the doses were small but frequent.

Generally I think as I have gotten more used to it, I have ignored some of the more disturbing elements - but it's still crap on the whole, although I do like the 2-5g range as a pick me up tonic - and the 40+ party over a few days - everything inbetween though was shit.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22451849 - 10/30/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I have an idea. What I didn't try yet is cooked ambrosia - ie. soak 15g caps in 1/4 litre grape juice at room temp for about 8 or 12 hours. Strain - then mix down 1:4 with water and then simmer the mixture at 185 for an hour. This will taste good when cool, and should have been properly decarboxylated into Muscimol.

I'm not sure whether to add water first then simmer, or to simmer pure juice first then add water. There is something about the carbon and long chain muscimol molecules forming that happens when water is added.

Well that will keep me busy this weekend then :smile:







I read an ebook a long time ago which talked about use of muscaria, and they did discuss some unique sounding preparations. I think one of them might have involved grape juice. And I believe it touched on some of the other methods you've mentioned.

There was a very spiritual angle to the book as well, and IIRC they were trying to make claim that Amanita was used as an early Christian sacrament, or something like that.


Wish I could remember where I found this (very well might have been here. lol) but I might still have the pdf around somewhere. Though it could be tricky to turn up, if I even still have it. (Just had a quick look and it's not on this computer. Maybe on my external or somewhere else...)


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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
    #22451872 - 10/30/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Or would have been a better word choice, yes.  I had meant 15g self harvest or 28g vendoritas, which were alwas less potent IME.  But honestly, going by weight is'nt the best guide for muscaria.  I just know when i've eaten enough and weigh as i go along.

I've never had them dry out to 10:1 ratio.  Maybe it's because i only work with var. guessowii, or maybe it's because i use a dehydrator.  I do'nt know.  Weight is'nt a good guide; intuition is once one gains a working relationship with them.

I agree to eat them slowly, but i do'nt like eating them too slowly. I typically take an hour to consume a dose with dry, but less for fresh.

Do you imbibe in cannabis?  Although i do like the synergy, i can get on with muscaria without any other agents added.  However, i've heard from numerous people that cannabis REALLY ramped up the effects ov A.M. for them.

Muscaria is'nt for all.  It may be time to accept that they are'nt to your liking and there's nothing wrong with that.  I never got much out ov n,n-dmt personally.


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