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Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? 1
#22443672 - 10/28/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok - so did you try it? How did you do it? How much did you do? What did you get out of it?
I am 50 - I have a long background with psilocybin - I regularly take dried doses from 5 to 10g (250-500 shrooms). I eventually decided to try AM because they are all over the place here in autumn, whereas LC's are hard to find.
I went into Amanita Muscaria with the idea that I could trip on it - I read a lot of trip reports of people claiming to have had vivid hallucinations and life changing visions along the lines of Ayahuasca. I have tested over the last few months with it, but in my opinion you don't really trip on AM - even though it does cause some changes in perception that can be a bit like a psycoactive. A medium to strong dose AM trip (15-20g) is not even close to a good 2g of psilocybin. Some places advise 20-30g for a strong trip. I wouldn't recommend doing more AM than 20g with the idea that you might trip any more than you will on 15g, or even if you will trip at all. I think it is a mistake to advise doses such as this, as you might also get into unexpected trouble - let me explain why.
What Amanita Muscaria is good for, at least dry AM or any compound of it that is low in Ibotenic Acid and high in Muscimol - is as a sedative. Muscimol, the active ingredient, is an absolutely fantastic and effective sedative. There are drugs that are even based on it, such as Gabaxodol - which is a sedative, basically a sleeping tablet which is a GABA agonist and an NMDA antagonist (anesthetic). Every time I took Amanita Muscaria high in Muscimol - I have slept, really well. I feel numb in places too.
Raw - Not done it. It causes sickness because of Ibotenic Acid, which changes the PH balance in your stomachs gastric acid. So you end up trying to get the acid out again ie. you throw it up, at about same time the effects kick in before you fall asleep. Ibotenic Acid is quite a nasty chemical, even if you do trip on it, so I never did raw AM for that reason. Regardless, all reports confirm sleep as the body changes Ibotenic Acid into Muscimol. So please comment if you did AM raw and especially if you TRIPPED. Maybe Ibotenic Acid might be the only drug in AM that is psycoactive, but most of the advice I read says 'Don't do raw AM's' because of the poisonous nature of Ibotenic Acid.
Dried - Less Ibotenic Acid - more Muscimol. Easier to consume. Causes a positive high but without sickness. I would describe the positive side of it to be a bit like not enough coke when you are totally pissed, but with very little or no trip effect and ALWAYS sleep above about 5g. Sleep will come wherever you are, I've not been able to avoid the effects of it, even in some embarrassing situations. If you are outside or inside, I guess even on the bus or driving the car.... you will sleep suddenly. So don't do things on it or outside - get a room, and some peace and quiet with somebody (preferably sober) to watch you. The effect of doses over 5g leads more towards loss of motor skills and causes holes in consciousness. You are literally numb and becoming more numb before sleep kicks in. You become sedated in parts of your brain that usually service the conscious systems like hand and legs movements (primary M1 cortex). This will cause you to stumble, shake and jitter like a geriatric or spastic (who also lose ability of M1). It also has an effect on the frontal pre-cortex region, which leads to momentary losses in consciousness, this gets bigger as you increase the dosage. At between 10-15g this is potentially dangerous - as you will be walking somewhere and then you will suddenly be somewhere else. I have fallen down, spilled hot drinks because of sudden jerky hand movements, pissed on myself because I fell asleep a few seconds during the event, banged myself about by bumping into stuff whilst walking around. It's quite dangerous if you are on your own - anything could happen in those black moments. In sleep, you are under a heavy sedation - I have woken up at the bottom of the stairs and wondered - how did I get here? The pain in my back the day after, led me to believe that I had fallen down them whilst walking about in my sleep, but I don't remember any of it because of the sedative effects of AM. I did wake up a few times during the night of the fall though - with a backwards idea that maybe I was about to go out of the room and down the stairs to a point of sharp consciousness that I was standing at the bottom of the stairs and was about to wake up - was I asleep then or now? I had to check, no - I'm awake....I didn't understand it. I didn't remember the fall or getting up or anything else at this point - I just felt confused about some bad thing that was going to happen. It was just an idea that kept on waking me up. I have also had my wife trying to wake me for several hours, from a dose of 15g (made into soup), by occasionally slapping, punching and nipping me - she couldn't do it! As I said, it's an effective sedative.
Soma - Fermented drinks & extracts. So I read that I could make extracts and fermented drinks from AM that would produce effects similar to LSD or psilocybin. So I extracted ambrosia from 20g of dried caps. This is when I fell down the stairs. Sure, I was slightly high - a rational mind, trapped in a body stoned like it had drunk about a quart of whiskey and taken 5 or 6 Valium, I slept like a baby too - but still no trip.
So NOW - I'm on the last experiment with AM. I'm making wine with it that will be ready for christmas 2015. I don't hold any hopes of getting a real trip out of it. Why should it be any different?
What I have learned along the way, is that although AM has had really no trip potential along the lines of psilocybin - it has been a very pleasant tonic. At low doses (less than 5g) it produces a slight lifting of mood - it promotes a kind of indestructible frame of mind, a bit like coke without the ego trip, but with all the bodily trappings of muscle tenseness and nervousness of an upper. It creates a rationality that can be very beneficial to productivity and creativity like an upper. As a tonic - I'm interested in maybe drinking a little wine on a daily basis, but I'm not sure of the long term effects though, probably the same as a little coke or alcohol... but there is little evidence about it.
As for AM visions and trances - I don't believe a word. I would suggest that any vision or trance, whilst on AM - happened whilst sleeping. In sleep we dream, which is a state of imagination induced by nothing more than ordinary sleep - one which AM certainly does help to promote. Lucid dreaming is possible on AM - but only when the dose is SMALL or only on the very back-end of a larger dose, otherwise you will definitely just fall asleep.
If you are an insomniac however - then AM is definitely your fella
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
#22443735 - 10/28/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the report bro.
As far as I know, we don't get AM in Florida, but I've been wondering about the trip potential. I've read few reports where people tripped, and HARD.
Are you on any sort of medication? Reason is, I think it may be taking away from the effects.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: firstTIMER420]
#22443766 - 10/28/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Amanita is definitely psychoactive, but it's more of a psychedelic dissociative. If you're not tripping off of it then maybe they aren't being picked, cured, or stored properly. Or maybe they're old or it just doesn't agree with you. Amanita is one of those drugs that takes some patience, knowledge, and dedication to achieve the desired effects, much like salvia or ayahuasca.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
#22443831 - 10/28/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Muscaria can be incredibly psychoactive and i cherish them more than the mushrooms psilocybe. They're just very different and also particular to their user. I highly recommend leaving an offering at the harvest sight(i use hawthorne berries) and consuming a portion ov the batch fresh.
IME, fresh is the most efficacious way ov consumption and entirely safe. That it's a dangerous way ov consumption is one ov the numerous bits ov misinformation constantly being regurgitated. I've found fresh no more nausea inducing than dry, and root ov ginger tea completely eliminates the nausea for either IME.
The range ov effects for muscaria can range from simple relaxation at the mild end to gold realm at extremis. The gold realm is the muscaria equivalent to the arena ov machine elves for dmt, the kurrents for ketamine, and the spider laden world ov tropania. It's much harder to get to than the above mentioned, but most who have gone far with the mushrooms muscaria will be able to relate to experiencing this secret world ov which i will be mum at describing in detail. But inbetwixt these states, one may be apt to experience the cathartic sweat(soularly cleansing like a sweat lodge or the aya purge), deep changes in depth and time perception, extensive closed eye visuals(much slower and less abstract than serotonergic psych visuals), great aphrodisia, and the ability to lucid dream.
Here is my muscaria ritual: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17320151
The only substances i like to consume with muscaria are brew ov piper methysticum, cannabis, 4-meo-mipt(yes, 4-meo- it's the shit), or a very low dose ov 5-meo-mipt. Anything else i've found to overpower the wonder ov muscaria which, as powerful as it is, is very picky unto whom and for how it allows access to its phytognostic bounty.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod]
#22444143 - 10/28/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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tripping on them sucks its basically a deliriant. theres like huge diff in potency in diff mushrooms depending on where n when the were harvested n junk and the stuff XLcaps said. BUt yeh your suppose to like eat the skin of the cap or summin i dont fucking remember you go deleerious and wake up in a puddle of sweat.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
#22444163 - 10/28/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You must take some insanely small shrooms if 5 grams is 250
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
#22444334 - 10/28/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I suspect you may simply be drying them and not thoroughly decarboxylating.
Try an oven cracked open at 190F for 30 minutes on your dry shrooms. 4 caps in vodka after this treatment with one button freshly roasted over a fire did (literally)knock me on my ass, bowled over at the power of the experience- it was stronger than 4g cubensis. To finish getting there I had quickly recycled my urine two and a half times that night(poured out the last half because it was getting too intense) as Muscimol is rapidly excreted.
After filling my lungs and roaring my soul to the edges of the cosmos, I was fallen... on my back in the desert, eyes open to the stars and astral-projecting up(and in) to make contact with the Grand Ultimate "I AM". When I came back I had fun acknowledging this awareness by foreseeing and wordlessly controlling the actions of my friends: as they spoke I walked silently and nondescriptly past and up the hillside a ways and they remained talking while following me as I had decided upon. I turned around walking through them back to camp as they "came to" wondering why they were up a hill.
It is golden light of awareness, love, and creative potential. It was a wild ride I wasn't quite ready for but felt fucking great... a sitter is recommended, for the first part is pretty uncoordinated ('tho I'm sure firewater doesn't help this aspect; it does synergize well).

I always post this painting (Frenzy of Exultations) on this topic but it well resembles the feelings of that roaring flight of ultimate connection.
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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: flickedbic]
#22444428 - 10/28/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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flickedbic said: I suspect you may simply be drying them and not thoroughly decarboxylating.
Try an oven cracked open at 190F for 30 minutes on your dry shrooms. 4 caps in vodka after this treatment with one button freshly roasted over a fire did (literally)knock me on my ass, bowled over at the power of the experience- it was stronger than 4g cubensis. To finish getting there I had quickly recycled my urine two and a half times that night(poured out the last half because it was getting too intense) as Muscimol is rapidly excreted.
After filling my lungs and roaring my soul to the edges of the cosmos, I was fallen... on my back in the desert, eyes open to the stars and astral-projecting up(and in) to make contact with the Grand Ultimate "I AM". When I came back I had fun acknowledging this awareness by foreseeing and wordlessly controlling the actions of my friends: as they spoke I walked silently and nondescriptly past and up the hillside a ways and they remained talking while following me as I had decided upon. I turned around walking through them back to camp as they "came to" wondering why they were up a hill.
It is golden light of awareness, love, and creative potential. It was a wild ride I wasn't quite ready for but felt fucking great... a sitter is recommended, for the first part is pretty uncoordinated ('tho I'm sure firewater doesn't help this aspect; it does synergize well).

I always post this painting (Frenzy of Exultations) on this topic but it well resembles the feelings of that roaring flight of ultimate connection.
That sounds intense! Thanks for sharing, both you and the OP!
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: larry.fisherman]
#22444510 - 10/28/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No - I'm on no medication. But I am on a no carb no sugar diet.
It might just be a problem of perception though. I've used Liberty Cap for many years, since I was 11, and in very large doses in my teens and 20's. We used to do tea made with a couple of thousand raw mushrooms for 3 people. Although I don't do that or want that these days, my idea of a trip is still a bit more than just some slight visual patterns and altered perception - as 500+ LCs will tend to do that for you.
Actually I was pretty much done with mushrooms as they don't grow too well here where I moved, until I stumbled on a few Liberties in a field one day this year. I got about 2g (dried - fresh about 130). I did them in a lunar eclipse of the sun and watched the amazing light of millions of stars in the milky way. Man I have sure missed tripping - what a fabulous night. It was OK for a first trip for ages.
So later on a walk - bingo, there were the AM as if to say 'Come and eat me'. I know a hint when I see it 
Needless to say I picked all the forests I can find to dry. I currently have about 300 AM drying slowly in a warm room. I clean them first with a small brush to remove grass and anything else except the shroom and it's veil.
Well - nothing under 20g so far has done anything except be really good at knocking me out. I tried oven drying them first time - you have to keep the oven under 190 farenheit as far as I know. In frustration I also drank my urine - which prolongs the effects, but no trip.
I get the feeling that AM could be a Royal trip - there is an elegance and a royal depth in the slight visuals that makes me feel that way, but it is far too much in the background. It also has a very curvy almost baroque braided effect to its patterns that appear in stuff like carpets and trees and such. I suppose the baroque feel gives it a royal vibe too. Common dosage is 5-10 light 10 -20 medium and 20-30g strong, and those are dry dosages. The dried versions are like 5 or 6 caps to about 15g - I think I used 8 or 9 to get 20g dried into an extract. Imagine eating 9 fresh Amanita! I'm not going to eat so many of those giant mushrooms fresh - If I wanted a strong trip, I wouldn't physically be able to get them into my stomach to get enough for the recommended levels of Muscimol.
As for doing it wrong - I followed instructions and soaked them to make extract ambrosia in pure grape juice for 12 hours - squeezing gently to help get ambrosia out. It floats on the surface, I've done it with milk where you can see it. This was a very nice tasting un-fermented wine, which sent me to sleep and I woke after falling down the stairs. That's it - not much trip about it. The day after I could get into some Lucid dreaming on the back end of it with closed eyes in a semi-sleep and darkness - Although pretty, the visuals are only like the coming down part of a tiny LC trip.
So I don't get it - there must be something wrong with my chemistry or the mushrooms of the region?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: Sheekle]
#22444535 - 10/28/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sheekle said: You must take some insanely small shrooms if 5 grams is 250
About 100 dried liberty Caps (semilanceata) is about 2g according to my scale. I just weighed some to make sure! That makes 5g about 2.5 times that.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
#22444767 - 10/28/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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On that note...
Anyone know what happened with the user who had this name or a name really similar like it? I forgot his user name... he had been around forever and he isn't around anymore I think..
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: flickedbic]
#22444883 - 10/28/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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flickedbic said: I suspect you may simply be drying them and not thoroughly decarboxylating.
Try an oven cracked open at 190F for 30 minutes on your dry shrooms. 4 caps in vodka after this treatment with one button freshly roasted over a fire did (literally)knock me on my ass, bowled over at the power of the experience- it was stronger than 4g cubensis. To finish getting there I had quickly recycled my urine two and a half times that night(poured out the last half because it was getting too intense) as Muscimol is rapidly excreted.
After filling my lungs and roaring my soul to the edges of the cosmos, I was fallen... on my back in the desert, eyes open to the stars and astral-projecting up(and in) to make contact with the Grand Ultimate "I AM". When I came back I had fun acknowledging this awareness by foreseeing and wordlessly controlling the actions of my friends: as they spoke I walked silently and nondescriptly past and up the hillside a ways and they remained talking while following me as I had decided upon. I turned around walking through them back to camp as they "came to" wondering why they were up a hill.
It is golden light of awareness, love, and creative potential. It was a wild ride I wasn't quite ready for but felt fucking great... a sitter is recommended, for the first part is pretty uncoordinated ('tho I'm sure firewater doesn't help this aspect; it does synergize well).

I always post this painting (Frenzy of Exultations) on this topic but it well resembles the feelings of that roaring flight of ultimate connection.
Ok - so if you got a powerful experience on 5 caps - which is about 15g of good dried + little fresh Amanita. That is in the middle range as far as most comparisons go. I'm not sure why you yelled out? did you do it because you wanted to? or did you yell from happiness or fear or what? Anyway - if it was stronger than 4g cubensis, which is slightly less powerful than semilanceata, then it would make it better than about 200 dried LCs. That would be a trip in my book, but it wouldn't be a particularly powerful one. I don't want to sound like a big willy politics person, I'm just trying to work out what to expect and what might be wrong with my logic or my shrooms.
My logic is that 15g dried Amanita has a trip that doesn't even come close to <1g semilanceata in terms of visual trip - so you can see my predicament? 15g AM literally bowls me over too, sure I fall down and sleep, see some swirly patterns - but I don't trip hard. It doesn't even budge my emotional center - It certainly wouldn't make me shout. Whereas even a measly 2g of LCs might still do that if I was in the mood for shouting
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod] 1
#22445216 - 10/28/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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lavod said: Muscaria can be incredibly psychoactive and i cherish them more than the mushrooms psilocybe. They're just very different and also particular to their user. I highly recommend leaving an offering at the harvest sight(i use hawthorne berries) and consuming a portion ov the batch fresh.
IME, fresh is the most efficacious way ov consumption and entirely safe. That it's a dangerous way ov consumption is one ov the numerous bits ov misinformation constantly being regurgitated. I've found fresh no more nausea inducing than dry, and root ov ginger tea completely eliminates the nausea for either IME.
The range ov effects for muscaria can range from simple relaxation at the mild end to gold realm at extremis. The gold realm is the muscaria equivalent to the arena ov machine elves for dmt, the kurrents for ketamine, and the spider laden world ov tropania. It's much harder to get to than the above mentioned, but most who have gone far with the mushrooms muscaria will be able to relate to experiencing this secret world ov which i will be mum at describing in detail. But inbetwixt these states, one may be apt to experience the cathartic sweat(soularly cleansing like a sweat lodge or the aya purge), deep changes in depth and time perception, extensive closed eye visuals(much slower and less abstract than serotonergic psych visuals), great aphrodisia, and the ability to lucid dream.
Here is my muscaria ritual: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17320151
The only substances i like to consume with muscaria are brew ov piper methysticum, cannabis, 4-meo-mipt(yes, 4-meo- it's the shit), or a very low dose ov 5-meo-mipt. Anything else i've found to overpower the wonder ov muscaria which, as powerful as it is, is very picky unto whom and for how it allows access to its phytognostic bounty.
Thanks for your reply - actually at first I did try to connect with the consciousness in the trees that the AM supply with nourishment. I spent a couple of minutes trying to harmonize with the forest. I told the community that I was thankful for the harvest. But this was only the first few times I was out at the start of the season where there were many AM. At the end of the season I virtually raped the forest of everything I could find. This harvest did not have the same effect as the ones from start of season where I connected into the forest and gave thanks, but maybe the ones at the start of season were much better? or maybe I've been doing them too often and I have created an immunity response?. You also describe something that hits a note with me here. I have tried to consume large amounts of dried AM over several days - an initial dose, plus boosting my blood levels with two caps or so more every couple of hours in an attempt to avoid the powerful sleep from a very large initial dose over 20g (I didn't manage it and fell asleep anyway). I did though get into a nice place awake that had a powerful golden quality to it, squidgy soft and curly with a powerful magnet that wanted to pull me around, and I managed to dream in the morning when I woke - nice dreams, colorful insects that were responsible for maintaining human consciousness, feeding off it, I could hear them. Then I was inside a snail with colorful neurotransmitters as electrical tendons connected to a giant brain in a forest of pine. It was all very calm and benign, complete with great sound effects - although I did dream of my own death and something was guiding me. I'm not religious. I think this is the best state - half-asleep, which allows the dream to become more real as it's still using conscious brain circuitry to guide the dream.
Funny nobody has mentioned sleep yet! I get it every time - nobody here gets it? What about twitches and glitches?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
#22445598 - 10/28/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I experimented with them a bit over the Autumn-Winter of 2005. They didn't do much for me except get me "drunk" They were very sedating and relaxing, and they tended to give me very vivid and chaotic dreams. I can't really say they ever gave me much of a trip though.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: FrozenHappiness]
#22445650 - 10/28/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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FrozenHappiness said: I experimented with them a bit over the Autumn-Winter of 2005. They didn't do much for me except get me "drunk" They were very sedating and relaxing, and they tended to give me very vivid and chaotic dreams. I can't really say they ever gave me much of a trip though.
Exactly my sentiments. Can you remember how much you did and was it dry or raw? did you buy it? or pick them yourself?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
#22445771 - 10/28/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I picked them myself, and I dried them in an oven with the door open @ 200F untill they were cracker dry. I experimented with dosages ranging from 10-30 grams. Higher doses gave me a more pronounced drunk feeling with some slurring of speech and loss of coordination. Higher doses also tended to make my body feel hot and sweaty while I was under the influence, sometimes I got mild GI upset, and I noticed that my bowel movements were much looser the day after ingesting -- so, i never really wanted to increase the dose past 30 grams.
Some people are able to cultivate a mystical relationship with Amanitas. I hear that Amanita users get more out of their experiences when they recycle their urine, but don't have it in me to drink my own pee-pee.
Psilocybin still remains my psychedelic of choice.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22445793 - 10/28/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Funny nobody has mentioned sleep yet! I get it every time - nobody here gets it? What about twitches and glitches?
I get sleep eventually! It's an amazing sleep if going through with it, but i like to set my alarm every 90 minutes or so to help with dream lucidity. And i do get an occasional twitch, but it's not discomforting.
One thing about muscaria that i've talked about before is that i've found them to have the absolute best and longest earth phase(afterglow) out ov any substance i've had, which is many. For days after a muscaria experience, i am in a very peaceful, happy, and even euphoric state. And unlike with most psychedelics, i attain this cathartic and serene earth phase every time.
The mushrooms muscaria are one ov the triune ov my most treasured substances. In my world, muscaria is the most mystical, ketamine the most soular, and dxm the most magickal. I'm well aware that many others will not share the same sentiments.
Muscaria is'nt for everyone. Certainly not for this clown....
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: tripping on them sucks its basically a deliriant. theres like huge diff in potency in diff mushrooms depending on where n when the were harvested n junk and the stuff XLcaps said. BUt yeh your suppose to like eat the skin of the cap or summin i dont fucking remember you go deleerious and wake up in a puddle of sweat.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: lavod]
#22446119 - 10/28/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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One thing about muscaria that i've talked about before is that i've found them to have the absolute best and longest earth phase(afterglow) out ov any substance i've had, which is many.
I noticed that too. The lingering effect is very long - over days, but I never left it too long between meals yet
I am really happy for AM, because I really do think that they might have a beneficial effect on general health at really small dosages. I'm making wine ATM, and when it's fermented by christmas - it will be full of Ibotenic acid at this point. Then I can experiment and choose whether to decarboxylate IA to Muscimol, and if there is any difference in the effect of it. I don't like what I read about IA, but if it is responsible for the trip part, then I definitely want to try. Unfortunately the frost is here, and there are no fresh AM growing in the forest to gobble. I looked everywhere.
I still think though that the high dry dosages recommended for 'strong trips' ie. 30g as a one time ingestion - recommended on many sites, including this one, is deceiving people into thinking that more AM makes for a better trip. This is not the case in my experience - I only ever got remotely close to a good trip ingesting about 40g over two days in a cap for cap build up - which puts my on the spot blood level to less than 20g in a single day - and if you work on fitting 2 standard trips into one day, then my blood level is less than 10g - and this was the best 'trip' I have ever had on AM. Every attempt between 10g and 20g AM in one go has led to deep sleep, nervous twitches and glitches and walking about dangerously intoxicated and bumping into stuff. I wouldn't dare do 30g AM in one go to be totally honest. On the other hand this site suggests that the highest level (5) of psilocybin trip is only 4.7g dried - that's only about 230 fresh LC's! I've done 3x that and had nice and pleasant medium quality trips, and then I once ate a handful of the smallest LC's you ever saw - the first of the early season - maybe about 50 LC's each the size of less than a blade of grass - and they blew my head right off. I was not expecting to be swimming in a chocolate sea with cardboard cutout hand sketched scenery on 50 puny shrooms! Pure strawberry fields. Go figure.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
#22446191 - 10/28/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fine eat a ton f muscaria idgaf amanitas semen mixed with drugs whatever you want idfk im telling you what wil happen to you if you eat a bunch you basically hole and its like pcp but way way worse.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria - is it really a psychoactive? [Re: xeberdee]
#22446266 - 10/28/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aminitas are extremely powerful. But not everybody gets psychoactive effects from them.
You could try drinking your pee when your on them.
-------------------- Amanita86 said: Sui is trying to mod right now. Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..
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