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Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? 4
#22442535 - 10/27/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So loving of it.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed] 2
#22442543 - 10/27/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed] 1
#22442545 - 10/27/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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RanOutOfWeed said: So loving of it. 
it/he/she didnt. thats just something someone put in a book.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: ManianFH]
#22442558 - 10/27/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder how someone was raised to come up with such ideas
Man is so strange...
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed] 1
#22442565 - 10/27/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The logical gymnastics and emotional anguish this clearly causes believers is truly hilarious and pathetic. Rather then admit their god is bad and not worthy of worship, they live a self made prison of willful ignorance.
God is not great.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22442567 - 10/27/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was a talking to a muslim about her religion a few days ago and this was one of the main gripes she had against the christian religion. She couldnt wrap her head around how their god could throw them into eternal hellfire for a single fuckup. Even with the worst offenders in Islam hell's always equal to a prison sentence after which they ascend to heaven.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed] 2
#22442572 - 10/27/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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RanOutOfWeed said: I wonder how someone was raised to come up with such ideas
Man is so strange...
Narcissism and hubris. The want, and need, to be loved and to be the center of the universe is very strong. I can't deny it has seduced me. Throw in a little death anxiety and you have a believer.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: DieCommie]
#22442580 - 10/27/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Commie you're a great poster, even though we've had our disagreements you've always been one of the few that I've been glad the shroomery has managed to keep around.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#22442585 - 10/27/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: I was a talking to a muslim about her religion a few days ago and this was one of the main gripes she had against the christian religion. She couldnt wrap her head around how their god could throw them into eternal hellfire for a single fuckup. Even with the worst offenders in Islam hell's always equal to a prison sentence after which they ascend to heaven.
Eternal hell is a characteristic of islam. Also, the lack of an eternal hell is present in certain christian sects. I was raised under evangelical christianity, they rejected hell for this very reason.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22442591 - 10/27/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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"God works in mysterious ways" or however that cop out bullshit goes.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22442592 - 10/27/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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RanOutOfWeed said: So loving of it. 
You thinking finding out santa isn't real is hard to get over. Phew....
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: DieCommie]
#22442605 - 10/27/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said: I was a talking to a muslim about her religion a few days ago and this was one of the main gripes she had against the christian religion. She couldnt wrap her head around how their god could throw them into eternal hellfire for a single fuckup. Even with the worst offenders in Islam hell's always equal to a prison sentence after which they ascend to heaven.
Eternal hell is a characteristic of islam. Also, the lack of an eternal hell is present in certain christian sects. I was raised under evangelical christianity, they rejected hell for this very reason.
Not according to her particular interpretation of it. She and her family are a part of one of the more rare progressive sects. I forget its name but they're all about tolerance and forgiveness. Its the main reason they were hunted down and exiled from most of the major Islamic countries. Her and her family actually got chased out of Pakistan because of it.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22442628 - 10/27/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Same reason he sent his son to get killed for shit he made us do in the first place.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens] 1
#22442632 - 10/27/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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why doesn't god exist just to make humans happy?
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22442655 - 10/27/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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RanOutOfWeed said: I wonder how someone was raised to come up with such ideas
Man is so strange...
I think its human nature to have violent thoughts and suppositions. we are animals afterall, our neural and hormonal behaviors in constant flux, and on top of that we gotta work those behaviors into this higher cognition afforded through the development of our prefrontal cortex.
What surprises me the most is that it is taking so soo long for us to rise up as a collective human mentality past the bullshit survival behaviors of the animal community, which includes all the manipulative behaviors in which others are subjugated for personal advantage, aka, most religious manuscripts. I believe God is waiting for those who can rise above these types of mentalities, and it has no intentions of eternal torture... just an opinion.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: DieCommie] 1
#22442692 - 10/27/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Aleon]
#22442769 - 10/27/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I cant wrap my head around, how so many people in the modern world full of science and technology still raise and believe in a mythical creature no more real and with no more proof than say a dragon. You cant run a proper country when over half of your people think mythical creatures are real and not only that but to believe in idiotic laws that PEOPLE create and than idiot followers think that the mythical creature wrote them. Not to mention it being part of certain countries political system.
And then throw in the climate change deniers ahaha
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22442790 - 10/27/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I still don't even know what a god is... it's just some abstract concept to me
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Uzziel]
#22442862 - 10/28/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll explain in a bit so all of you understand BRB tomorrow you will all be like oh no duh and hopefully some of you will become enlighten ed
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22442866 - 10/28/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why do dumb kids still make anti christian threads on the shroomery?
Couldn't preach to more of a choir, just shut up.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22442869 - 10/28/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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RanOutOfWeed said: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it?
because that loving god loves to be a dick
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: kakashi68]
#22442905 - 10/28/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22442913 - 10/28/15 12:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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God doesnt create bad people. Earth does. Dont confuse the two
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: kakashi68]
#22442924 - 10/28/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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kakashi68 said: in the modern world full of science and technology still raise and believe in a mythical creature no more real and with no more proof than say a dragon.
i assume you're referring to God? You cant see the wind but im sure you believe wind is real, right? Well God is like wind, you cant see it but you can feel it's there.
im still alive and should be dead, a few times. Also sometimes I pray asking for things that are impossible and it happens. That is all the proof I will ever need.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22442927 - 10/28/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The only God here is Lucifer.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: sprinkles]
#22443008 - 10/28/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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sprinkles said:
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kakashi68 said: in the modern world full of science and technology still raise and believe in a mythical creature no more real and with no more proof than say a dragon.
i assume you're referring to God? You cant see the wind but im sure you believe wind is real, right? Well God is like wind, you cant see it but you can feel it's there.
im still alive and should be dead, a few times. Also sometimes I pray asking for things that are impossible and it happens. That is all the proof I will ever need.
No I cant "see the wind" but we can test for it and prove it exists, measure it and forecast it even. God is a made up being by a mushroom cult and a bunch of crazy people who in the modern day would be called crazy.
you pray for things and they come true are actual trolling or literally that retarded. Im not even going to explain to you how completely stupid that is.
All major religions DO NOT believe in god. Dont make this idiotic claim and ramble your bullshit at me. All written by humans. Anyone who follows the word of someone claiming to have divine knowledge is a fucking naive slave.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22443015 - 10/28/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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RanOutOfWeed said: So loving of it. 
True Christians don't believe in Hell. At least not in the sense that the Baptists and Methodists preach.
Hell exists only for Lucifer and the Angels that followed him.
The whole "Hell" argument really falls apart when you think about it. You are only granted eternal life through Jesus. You won't go to Hell for not believing, you just die. Simple as that.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
#22443024 - 10/28/15 01:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: kakashi68]
#22443034 - 10/28/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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kakashi68 said:
All major religions DO NOT believe in god.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: kakashi68]
#22443056 - 10/28/15 01:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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kakashi68 said:
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sprinkles said:
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kakashi68 said: in the modern world full of science and technology still raise and believe in a mythical creature no more real and with no more proof than say a dragon.
i assume you're referring to God? You cant see the wind but im sure you believe wind is real, right? Well God is like wind, you cant see it but you can feel it's there.
im still alive and should be dead, a few times. Also sometimes I pray asking for things that are impossible and it happens. That is all the proof I will ever need.
No I cant "see the wind" but we can test for it and prove it exists, measure it and forecast it even. God is a made up being by a mushroom cult and a bunch of crazy people who in the modern day would be called crazy.
you pray for things and they come true are actual trolling or literally that retarded. Im not even going to explain to you how completely stupid that is.
All major religions DO NOT believe in god. Dont make this idiotic claim and ramble your bullshit at me. All written by humans. Anyone who follows the word of someone claiming to have divine knowledge is a fucking naive slave.
wow. tell me how you REALLY feel. LOL. You're so passionate about this. Start prayin, you better hope you're right.
I'd rather believe. If i'm wrong I lose nothing and it cost me nothing. But you.. If you're wrong, you lose everything. Plus too you're fucked. Plus also.. you this angry every day? you live like that? sounds like you're already in living hell

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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: sprinkles]
#22443067 - 10/28/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually sound like he just schooled u and ur being kinda buthurt.
Religion is for weaklings.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#22443072 - 10/28/15 01:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh and it cost you nothing? Then your not in a real religion, it's just a cult at that point.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#22443096 - 10/28/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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"weaklings" - lol sounds like something someone with down syndrome would say. Do you gots the downs? 
Poor little debbie downer. come here honey and sit on sprinkles lap, I'll make it all better.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22443098 - 10/28/15 02:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pwesonally, ii dont believe Hell exists in that sense.
I think its an misinterpretation by humans that hell damns people forever.
Asante knows more about this strange place called the Spirit WOrld, and from what he describes, i believe him.
I do believe our spirits get punished for being selfish or greedy, etc, but its not forever.
Same goes for non believers. Theres likely a plaace of spiritual confusion for non believers where spirits are lost.
Idk thats my belief
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: sprinkles]
#22443100 - 10/28/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#22443192 - 10/28/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was here looking for the cheese...I'll be leaving now. Thanks!
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: sprinkles]
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kakashi68 said:
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sprinkles said:
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kakashi68 said: in the modern world full of science and technology still raise and believe in a mythical creature no more real and with no more proof than say a dragon.
i assume you're referring to God? You cant see the wind but im sure you believe wind is real, right? Well God is like wind, you cant see it but you can feel it's there.
im still alive and should be dead, a few times. Also sometimes I pray asking for things that are impossible and it happens. That is all the proof I will ever need.
No I cant "see the wind" but we can test for it and prove it exists, measure it and forecast it even. God is a made up being by a mushroom cult and a bunch of crazy people who in the modern day would be called crazy.
you pray for things and they come true are actual trolling or literally that retarded. Im not even going to explain to you how completely stupid that is.
All major religions DO NOT believe in god. Dont make this idiotic claim and ramble your bullshit at me. All written by humans. Anyone who follows the word of someone claiming to have divine knowledge is a fucking naive slave.
wow. tell me how you REALLY feel. LOL. You're so passionate about this. Start prayin, you better hope you're right.
I'd rather believe. If i'm wrong I lose nothing and it cost me nothing. But you.. If you're wrong, you lose everything. Plus too you're fucked. Plus also.. you this angry every day? you live like that? sounds like you're already in living hell


yep your not making any arguments because religion has none, all your doing is just personally attacking me because you have no creditability. So plis no
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: kakashi68]
#22443227 - 10/28/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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He told me I had Down syndrome. That was his argument for me.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#22443274 - 10/28/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Religion is for weaklings.
It's really lame when people say this, for many reasons but I'll just name one that's been on my mind.
Religion takes focus, dedication, perseverance and just an overall sense of self discipline. When people say religion is for the weak mind, it kinda baffles me...because I see the opposite.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: 1234go]
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WHAT is God? This is a better question that which God is the REAL God or which religion worships the best/most powerful God?
Why would any God create an environment where suffering occurs?
Maybe suffering is a better teacher than comfort?
The God depicted in ancient scripture was politically motivated ... I find it incredible that anyone cannot see the narrative that allowed that God to catch on and become popular.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: WHAT is God? This is a better question that which God is the REAL God or which religion worships the best/most powerful God?
Why would any God create an environment where suffering occurs?
Maybe suffering is a better teacher than comfort?
The God depicted in ancient scripture was politically motivated ... I find it incredible that anyone cannot see the narrative that allowed that God to catch on and become popular
Yeah, I hear you.
But is this meant to be directed at me? Because I didn't say anything about a God or which religion is right.
I'm saying, to follow a strict code of moral laws like religions seem to have..would take a strong willed and "strong minded" individual.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: 1234go]
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life is a game, if their were no concequences for losing, there wouldn't be a point in playing or trying to win. You assume god has morals because heaven is nice and the place to be?
maybe he just wants to kick it with some chill like minded folks and you have to pass his tests to get in, or maybe heaven is actually hell in disquise and the devil wrote the bible and wants you to worship him under a false name
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22443406 - 10/28/15 05:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You assume god has morals because heaven is nice and the place to be?

Seriously?
Once again, I didn't mention anything about a God or even believing in a God.
Nor am I suggesting that religion and following said "moral code" is right, or better in any way. Jeeeeeez.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22443436 - 10/28/15 05:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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God doesn't send people to hell for not believing in him, sin puts you in hell.
I enjoy when pubbers spout off on politics, religion and the real world. You are all so learned
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
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Loving god...where?
I don't see one, all I see is a bunch of hooligans running around killing each other over fairy tales, seems kinda childish.
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You assume god has morals because heaven is nice and the place to be?

Seriously?
Once again, I didn't mention anything about a God or even believing in a God.
Nor am I suggesting that religion and following said "moral code" is right, or better in any way. Jeeeeeez.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed] 2
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If you read the Bible, you are reading several books that were bundled together centuries after the fact.
The "God" of the Bible are in fact several different angels speaking in the name of God, from their own points of view.
The God of All Things, the true Holy Spirit, the Om if you will we don't even know if it speaks at all.
What we do know is that its the God of ALL THINGS and that it is PURE LOVE that is the fabric of all things.
rewards Good but does not punish Evil. That is a bitter pill for most to swallow. Evil punishes itself.
You are on a ladder. The lower you are on the ladder the further you nare from where you need to be. On top of the ladder is Godhood. Yes you, a God Almighty, a Holy Spirit. At the bottom of this ladder is you in your most wretched form: you as Satan, in the deepest pit of Hell.
You can climb or you can hesitate, you cannot descend, but hesitation will cause suffering for yourself and those around you.
In climbing and climbing fast lies your salvation. With every decision you make,. no matter how tiny, you either climb or hesitate.
No one, not even the Devil, stays in Hell for all eternity. But when it ascends it will no longer be the Devil it was before.
Don't be confused. Its not about damnation. itrs about salvation. With every decision, find the choice which makes you and those around you ascend and CLIMB TOGETHER.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
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So that people are fooled by it and succumb to it and hand their monkey will over to the hierarchies of religious organisation.
Also this loving god is very rich - or wants to be anyway. I mean think about how easy it is to make money by convincing to people that their purpose in life is to circle a black box seven times so they could go to an amazing paradise full of milk and honey.
If we are pointing out cosmic contradictions in religion here is another one:
God/Allah is all knowing - HE already knows what is going to happen everywhere in the universe because HE created it...but humans have free will and will go to hell if we don't follow God's book/s but God already knows what is going to happen anyway...but we have free will to choose if we want to go to hell or heaven...but in all this I ask myself...what is the point?
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante]
#22443660 - 10/28/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Society and civilization functions better for humans if we have a set of morals and laws that help prevent us from things like violence, theft, humping everything that moves, etc. If people believe "GOD" wants us to follow these rules, especially very uneducated people which most people were before the 1500's when all of the religions were born, then they are more likely to voluntarily follow at least a small group of rules.
That was, more than anything else, the purpose of religion. It was installed by the political, governing classes to encourage social order and reduce risk/violence.
Then we believed the bullshit and the Abrahamic Gods became bigger than real.
WE shouldn't under estimate the role that magical ceremonies that often involved powerful psychoactive plants/substances played in creating the Gods and their "rules" for us.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: 1234go]
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You assume god has morals because heaven is nice and the place to be?

Seriously?
Once again, I didn't mention anything about a God or even believing in a God.
Nor am I suggesting that religion and following said "moral code" is right, or better in any way. Jeeeeeez.
i was just talking in general i seen a few people mention god so that was directed at those who did mention it, didn't seem worth the trouble to be specific since so many had
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: BreathlessVision]
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For god so loved the world that bla bla bla IT MEANS NOTHING EXCEPT 1 THING!
For God (The omnipotent alien that may or may not have assisted in our creation) so loved this world (planet x3423 water and fermament planet #4 stupid humans call it earth lol) that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes (Gets to know the biblical Jesus and walks around with a conscience strives to be like jesus) in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
So basically you re telling me on some level I will live forever if I just have a fucking conscience... (If you do this simple fact alone you will be doing more than 90% of those Sick people at churches.)
You do not have to even believe with any faith in christianity to have your soul/essence/spirit live on. or whatever you call it.
Getting to know Jesus is easy and you don't even have to believe in god or jesus as the biblical person they have been shoving.
In fact you already know jesus. Each and every one of you already know jesus
question. do you kill someone or hug them Jesus says hug.
Should I return this item to walmart I had 1 of for over a year mine is worn out should I buy new and replace?? No "The guy I know as jesus" WOULD NOT DO THAT!
I just have to ask myself What would Jesus do. Of course this person you are challenging your actions against can just be an idea of someone you hold to the same light Jesus would have is he was in fact real or just real in general.
I do not go to church or practice Christianity. But there are enough people that believe collectively. Also the benefits in my life that I get fro asking my self (what would Jesus do before taking any questionable action is UNDENIABLE)
This is how a person who is not "foolish" enough to believe blindly can rationalize himself into possible eternal life or at the least HONOR.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Groo]
#22443821 - 10/28/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Leaders prefer submissive and obedient populations ... Religion was created to encourage this.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Groo]
#22443827 - 10/28/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Groo said: I do not go to church or practice Christianity. But there are enough people that believe collectively. Also the benefits in my life that I get fro asking my self (what would Jesus do before taking any questionable action is UNDENIABLE)
This is how a person who is not "foolish" enough to believe blindly can rationalize himself into possible eternal life or at the least HONOR.
so wait... you dont believe blindly but your morality comes from having to ask how you compare to a guy that's been dead for 2000 years
so let's ask ourselves, what would jesus do if he were alive today
well, he'd send his gang out to boost him a car so he could ride into town in style, as though he were to king, Jesus would beat those that offended his delicate sensibilities on religion and destroy their means of income
the apple doesnt fall far from the tree, jesus was also a dick
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22443849 - 10/28/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If Jesus were alive today he would be eating all of us.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#22443868 - 10/28/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If "Jesus" came down to check out the state of affairs here on Earth, he'd no doubt hit the RESET button and start over.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22443888 - 10/28/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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RanOutOfWeed said: So loving of it. 

I was going to use the low quality bait, but the way this thread is going it's apparently some pretty decent bait. Wreaks of a successful troll effort up in this bitch
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22444231 - 10/28/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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really though OP, why doesn't god just make all of existence happy fun time for humans? since humans are the center of the universe and all, and gods only purpose should be to make us happy.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22444243 - 10/28/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look directly below you, at your keyboard or desk or whatever. Can you see all the organisms living on it? You can make a new desk, but what else? Put a few drops of blood on there and suddenly you have creatures of your own design. Make them happy.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante] 1
#22444277 - 10/28/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: If you read the Bible, you are reading several books that were bundled together centuries after the fact.
The "God" of the Bible are in fact several different angels speaking in the name of God, from their own points of view.
The God of All Things, the true Holy Spirit, the Om if you will we don't even know if it speaks at all.
What we do know is that its the God of ALL THINGS and that it is PURE LOVE that is the fabric of all things.
rewards Good but does not punish Evil. That is a bitter pill for most to swallow. Evil punishes itself.
You are on a ladder. The lower you are on the ladder the further you nare from where you need to be. On top of the ladder is Godhood. Yes you, a God Almighty, a Holy Spirit. At the bottom of this ladder is you in your most wretched form: you as Satan, in the deepest pit of Hell.
You can climb or you can hesitate, you cannot descend, but hesitation will cause suffering for yourself and those around you.
In climbing and climbing fast lies your salvation. With every decision you make,. no matter how tiny, you either climb or hesitate.
No one, not even the Devil, stays in Hell for all eternity. But when it ascends it will no longer be the Devil it was before.
Don't be confused. Its not about damnation. itrs about salvation. With every decision, find the choice which makes you and those around you ascend and CLIMB TOGETHER.
Quality post from a wise mind. Cheers to you Asante
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did someone post that one already?
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
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I was on shrooms one time walking through the forest. I soon realized it would be impossible for me to get through the trail without killing some of the ants and other bugs, or destroying spiders webs they worked so hard on, and who knows what else.
I then compared this to god. I imagine it would be very hard for a god to accomplish anything in this world without something getting hurt in the process. To give something it must be taken from something else. To merely pass through a region countless organisms must be killed, and the scale must get larger as your power does.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: ManianFH]
#22444353 - 10/28/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you.
Its interesting to see this discussion unfold. If only there were many more like it.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22444354 - 10/28/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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God is supposed to be omnipotent. If you were like god is supposed to be, you could walk right over the ants and through spider webs without disturbing anything.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
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clock_of_omens said: God is supposed to be omnipotent. If you were like god is supposed to be, you could walk right over the ants and through spider webs without disturbing anything.
Yup. Just what I was thinking. A human can't really be accurately compared to a God like that I don't think.
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Eminence said: There's a huge difference between humans and God though.
We are a child form of a God.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22444407 - 10/28/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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RanOutOfWeed said: So loving of it. 
Wrong god, mate. Don't worship that evil spirit, worship the creator/creation instead, if you feel the need to worship something to begin with.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
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but why would you care? maybe ants and spiders arent the best example.
Lets say you were brewing beer. You would have to foster the growth of yeast in your wort in order to achieve your goal. You want your yeast to thrive, multiply, and consume the nutrients in the wort to produce waste products that you find desirable(alcohol, CO2). If something happens to stall your yeast growth, you alter conditions to enable it start fermenting again. All the while, individual yeast cells are living, dying, and reproducing. Collectively, the are achieving what you desired, though individually, some thrive more than others. Inevitably, the concentrations of yeast waste products gradually increase making it harder and harder for the yeast to survive. But you don't care much about the suffering of the yeast, because this was the plan from the start. When the yeast poisons itself to death, you have reached your goal. Sure, the yeast get screwed in the end, but what do you care? You got your tasty brew out of the deal
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Dear God, this one is for you 
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: ballsalsa]
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Exactly, god is a hella douche.
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I don't believe in a punitive, eternal , absolute hell.
I believe God is merciful and loving as the bible, Torah and Quran attest again and again.
"that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Moonshoe]
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His actions in the books don't really seem to coincide with their constant proclamations of his absolute goodness. What's up with that?
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
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clock_of_omens said: God is supposed to be omnipotent. If you were like god is supposed to be, you could walk right over the ants and through spider webs without disturbing anything.
this depends totally on the assumption that a higher being would be omnipotent. But I suppose a lot of this depends on assumption in the first place
I don't see why it would have to be omnipotent though
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Y'all are misunderstanding the "God is Omnipotent"thing.
God, the Highest God, is ALL THINGS. Anything less than all things and you are dealing with an angel.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22444477 - 10/28/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's what the religious texts claim. So he was just powerful enough to create the entire universe and everything in it, but not powerful enough to keep from accidentally stepping on us from time to time? Sounds pretty bogus to me.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante]
#22444482 - 10/28/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eminence said: There's a huge difference between humans and God though.
We are a child form of a God.
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Asante said: Y'all are misunderstanding the "God is Omnipotent"thing.
God, the Highest God, is ALL THINGS. Anything less than all things and you are dealing with an angel.

Omens... you misunderstand. God is all things.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem] 1
#22444504 - 10/28/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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God created all things and all things exist within God and are of one substance with God.
God doesn't judge or punish anymore then the ocean judges a wave or rejects a rain drop.
This is what I choose to believe - that all beings without exception are loved and accepted by their creator of whom they are a part.
I believe that Gods mercy and compassion are infinite and thus all sins and wrong doing is forgiven and God is all loving so all beings will be embraced into divine love, light and life.
"for surely thou art the merciful, The oft returning to mercy" (Quran)
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante]
#22444507 - 10/28/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: Y'all are misunderstanding the "God is Omnipotent"thing.
God, the Highest God, is ALL THINGS. Anything less than all things and you are dealing with an angel.
Dude, how can there be a misunderstanding of your own personal convoluted ass religious beliefs. No one knows what those are but you, and I doubt even you do. It's pretty obvious what is meant by omnipotent in the religious texts.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem] 1
#22444520 - 10/28/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If the universe is indeed, multi-dimensional ... and if consciousness does somehow transcend death and there are infinite choices of what world to inhabit next ... then what happens in this particular earth time reality is pretty insignificant and confined to a minuscule time frame ... like a mosquito bite on the journey through eternity.
Having said that, there's a ton of fun shit to do on this planet, a lot of incredibly beautiful women (South America, in particular) and if you're lucky enough to be born in the USA or the West in General, a fairly high level of freedom as in, I can literally drive to the airport in an hour and hop on a plane to a lot of very cool places ... I can open my own business ... I can access information and knowledge very cheaply ... I can explore this planet ...
If you're not enjoying the ride on this planet, it's not God's fault.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22444531 - 10/28/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Omens... you misunderstand. God is all things.
I'm not misunderstanding anything. God being all things isn't the dominant understanding of what god is. You act like this is a self-evident fact.
What exactly is the point in believing that god is all things? Is god exactly the same as all things? Is god just another name for all things? If that's the case why believe in semantic god? Or does god have attributes outside of all things? I've asked these questions a bunch of times on here of pantheists and other god is all things people, and no-one has answered me.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#22444560 - 10/28/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's because you ask the wrong questions!
But you are very much right that I act like it is a self-evident fact. I mean, it is for me, I don't think about it that much anymore, to be honest. But you are right, I shouldn't act and talk like everybody believes this while I know better, thanks for realing me in a bit.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22444585 - 10/28/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think I am asking the wrong questions. If god is exactly equal to all things, then god is just another name for all things. Therefore, god is a semantic device. There is no reason to believe in semantic god.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed] 1
#22444604 - 10/28/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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God and the devil are the same being and we are a part of it
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#22444605 - 10/28/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Heheheheh  You'll never know, until you do, and then it will be as if you always knew.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22444612 - 10/28/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Perhaps God is simply the fully wired comprehension of all thought that is created in this vast multi dimensional universe. The connecting of the dots of all awareness and consciousness just as our mind connects all the electrical energy of all the cells in our body, God is the connected comprehension of all awareness and though EVERYWHERE.
God's the mainframe that every wire feeds into.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22444627 - 10/28/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just as I suspected. Does anyone have any real arguments for semantic god? I'd love to hear one.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#22444641 - 10/28/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hahahaha! 
It's okay man, it's okay. It's not like I do not understand the concept, but shit, how could I put such a thing ever in words, know what I mean?
What's your beef anyway? You don't even believe, why care about what we believe? Why try to use your words on our concepts? It's not going to do anything, except confuse the situation.
Anyway this vast everything I call God is God because it is both it's own cause and effect, and is all things. It has a tremendous sense of being Holy, so that is why I call it God. But it could be called anything, don't mistake my concept of God with that of a personal deity in the sky.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22444670 - 10/28/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Hahahaha! 
It's okay man, it's okay. It's not like I do not understand the concept, but shit, how could I put such a thing ever in words, know what I mean?
What's your beef anyway? You don't even believe, why care about what we believe? Why try to use your words on our concepts? It's not going to do anything, except confuse the situation.
I care about what people believe because it affects their actions. Now, I don't really care about these hippy god is everything beliefs because they aren't going to cause anyone to do anything. However, I also care about logic and discussing things with people. I have never come across a god is everything person with a logical argument as to why they believe what they do.
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Anyway this vast everything I call God is God because it is both it's own cause and effect, and is all things. It has a tremendous sense of being Holy, so that is why I call it God. But it could be called anything, don't mistake my concept of God with that of a personal deity in the sky.
That is exactly my point. This is the semantic god concept. The problem is that the word god has wrapped up in it all these other connotations, so choosing that specific word is really just confusing the issue.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#22444681 - 10/28/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Hahahaha! 
It's okay man, it's okay. It's not like I do not understand the concept, but shit, how could I put such a thing ever in words, know what I mean?
What's your beef anyway? You don't even believe, why care about what we believe? Why try to use your words on our concepts? It's not going to do anything, except confuse the situation.
I care about what people believe because it affects their actions. Now, I don't really care about these hippy god is everything beliefs because they aren't going to cause anyone to do anything. However, I also care about logic and discussing things with people. I have never come across a god is everything person with a logical argument as to why they believe what they do.
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Anyway this vast everything I call God is God because it is both it's own cause and effect, and is all things. It has a tremendous sense of being Holy, so that is why I call it God. But it could be called anything, don't mistake my concept of God with that of a personal deity in the sky.
That is exactly my point. This is the semantic god concept. The problem is that the word god has wrapped up in it all these other connotations, so choosing that specific word is really just confusing the issue.
I don't know about hippy God.. Some scientists I know plus some really famous ones shared the same believe, and they are pretty damn rational people, I presume.
Also, what should I call it, then? Words are too feeble, and I can't paint or sing it, so until we can beam thoughts into eachother's brains, I guess calling it God would be the only way for most people to understand what I'm saying. Not that I talk about such matters outside of the Shroomery, but whatever.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22444705 - 10/28/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: I don't know about hippy God.. Some scientists I know plus some really famous ones shared the same believe, and they are pretty damn rational people, I presume.
Also, what should I call it, then? Words are too feeble, and I can't paint or sing it, so until we can beam thoughts into eachother's brains, I guess calling it God would be the only way for most people to understand what I'm saying. Not that I talk about such matters outside of the Shroomery, but whatever.
I don't know, it depends on what you mean by it. If you really just mean that you think that everything is one, then just say that. Why call it god and add mystical or supernatural overtones to it? Unless that is what you are trying to do because you actually believe that there is something beyond the concept that everything is one.
Words are the only thing there is to describe anything. Any thought or feeling you have is put into words in your mind. Anything you beam into another's mind would be in the form of words, or would be translated into words by that person in order to understand it. Any painting you make will be interpreted by anyone looking at it with words. If you can't put it into words, you don't really understand what it is you are trying to get at.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#22444719 - 10/28/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Words are just symbols to describe shit, hombu. Like "There are the fruiting trees" Or "Lion = killing you" Or "Mass times acceleration equals force".
That last one... that's some pretty universal stuff, right? But what if your culture had no word for mass or force? How would you go on to describe it?
What I call god is not supernatural but nature itself, and everything in it. But it is folding in, knowhatIamsaying? No? Well because "folding in" does not really describe what I saw at all. But I can't put it in any better words, not because I don't understand it (It's simple actually) but because our language has no words of any kind to deal with this, except for in poetry. Poets are the true mystics mang
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22444789 - 10/28/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Words are just symbols to describe shit, hombu. Like "There are the fruiting trees" Or "Lion = killing you" Or "Mass times acceleration equals force".
That last one... that's some pretty universal stuff, right? But what if your culture had no word for mass or force? How would you go on to describe it?
If the culture had no specific word equivalent to "force", they would have to describe it based on what force actually is, however simple or complicated their language would allow.
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What I call god is not supernatural but nature itself, and everything in it. But it is folding in, knowhatIamsaying? No? Well because "folding in" does not really describe what I saw at all. But I can't put it in any better words, not because I don't understand it (It's simple actually) but because our language has no words of any kind to deal with this, except for in poetry. Poets are the true mystics mang 
God has enough connotations without everyone using it to describe their own personal indescribable experiences. Just make up your own word. No one will know what the fuck you are talking about, but the thing is no one does now with you using the word god. At least if you use your made up word, people won't assume they know what you are talking about.
You and Moonshoe and Asante and all the other god is everything people act like you know what the others are talking about, but there is no way you are conceiving of the same thing. You're all using the word god to talk about different things but pretending to be on the same wavelength because you're using the same word.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
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But yes, poetry is kewl.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens] 2
#22444807 - 10/28/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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As far as I understand, this thing, boundless, outside of time yet everywhen, truly unconditional love, and the prime creator.
Dunno, personal experience trumps religious dogma for me. What else can I call it?
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem] 1
#22444809 - 10/28/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Om
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante]
#22444816 - 10/28/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante]
#22444833 - 10/28/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22444841 - 10/28/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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naw OP's been around since before that
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22444857 - 10/28/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: As far as I understand, this thing, boundless, outside of time yet everywhen, truly unconditional love, and the prime creator.
Dunno, personal experience trumps religious dogma for me. What else can I call it?
See, now you are positing things outside of observable reality. "This thing" is now outside of space and time. That would imply that it is in fact more than everything. "This thing" also somehow has the human conceived attribute of unconditional love. What's that about?
Everything should trump religious dogma, but your personal experiences should be able to be described intelligibly to others in order for them to be taken seriously as anything other than personal experiences.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#22444942 - 10/28/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Space and time are encompassed within it.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
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GOD IS GAY! YA HERD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS! GOD IS NOT ONLY A DICK BUT LOVES SUCKING ON THEM TIL THEY CUM DOWN HIS ETERNAL THROAT!
Fucking faggot god and jesus. Wouldn't be suprised if Satan was gay himself.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Distorted Vision] 2
#22445041 - 10/28/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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God is a hermie bro
Every time someone tells it to go fuck himself, an angel is born
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Distorted Vision]
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Distorted Vision said: GOD IS GAY! YA HERD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS! GOD IS NOT ONLY A DICK BUT LOVES SUCKING ON THEM TIL THEY CUM DOWN HIS ETERNAL THROAT!
Fucking faggot god and jesus. Wouldn't be suprised if Satan was gay himself.
Talk about burning possible bridges ... whoa!
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante]
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Distorted Vision said: GOD IS GAY! YA HERD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS! GOD IS NOT ONLY A DICK BUT LOVES SUCKING ON THEM TIL THEY CUM DOWN HIS ETERNAL THROAT!
Fucking faggot god and jesus. Wouldn't be suprised if Satan was gay himself.
Talk about burning possible bridges ... whoa!
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Everlong] 2
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Nah OP just usually baits and trolls people with his threads.......wait a minute ......
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: SirShroomsAlott] 2
#22445609 - 10/28/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My religion is the universe
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: SunnyD] 1
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the ALL > and then THE UNIVERSE
Hermeticism baby!
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Hermeticism baby!
kinda what i meant but i can be bad at words
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You don't need it to be a good person. You should be a good person for you not anyone else.
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indeed man. very weird indeed.
i just recently got into Hermeticism.. reading the Kybalion right now... of the ancient mystery school teachings, and that badass Hermes who some say was an Ancient.. interesting stuff, seems to hit home with a lot my far out ideas on existence, and pieces some of it together into a more coherent way of looking at it.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
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Turtletotem said: As far as I understand, this thing, boundless, outside of time yet everywhen, truly unconditional love, and the prime creator.
Dunno, personal experience trumps religious dogma for me. What else can I call it?
See, now you are positing things outside of observable reality. "This thing" is now outside of space and time. That would imply that it is in fact more than everything. "This thing" also somehow has the human conceived attribute of unconditional love. What's that about?
Everything should trump religious dogma, but your personal experiences should be able to be described intelligibly to others in order for them to be taken seriously as anything other than personal experiences.
But you don't have to take them seriously. Anyway it doesn't impact my behaviour in society in anyway, this is mushroom talk, you feel? Just a select few people in real life and this website, that is all that I even try to talk about these things. So you see my position on these matters.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: MinnesnowtaNice] 3
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MinnesnowtaNice said: You don't need it to be a good person. You should be a good person for you not anyone else.
Thats seriously spiritually shortsighted. Its all about giving.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Distorted Vision said: GOD IS GAY! YA HERD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS! GOD IS NOT ONLY A DICK BUT LOVES SUCKING ON THEM TIL THEY CUM DOWN HIS ETERNAL THROAT!
Fucking faggot god and jesus. Wouldn't be suprised if Satan was gay himself.
Talk about burning possible bridges ... whoa!
Possible? 
Anything's possible.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Psilosopherr]
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rbalzer said: I was on shrooms one time walking through the forest. I soon realized it would be impossible for me to get through the trail without killing some of the ants and other bugs, or destroying spiders webs they worked so hard on, and who knows what else.
I then compared this to god. I imagine it would be very hard for a god to accomplish anything in this world without something getting hurt in the process. To give something it must be taken from something else. To merely pass through a region countless organisms must be killed, and the scale must get larger as your power does.
if god is omnipotent and can create the heavens, the earth, everything on this earth from nothingness with just his voice then why must something be taken in order to give something. what would you imagine was destroyed for the earth and man to be created? before then there was nothing
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Distorted Vision]
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Distorted Vision said: GOD IS GAY! YA HERD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS! GOD IS NOT ONLY A DICK BUT LOVES SUCKING ON THEM TIL THEY CUM DOWN HIS ETERNAL THROAT!
Fucking faggot god and jesus. Wouldn't be suprised if Satan was gay himself.
EDIT: homophobia 
no, I've been preaching about the gayness of jesus for many years
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: sprinkles]
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Distorted Vision said: GOD IS GAY! YA HERD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS! GOD IS NOT ONLY A DICK BUT LOVES SUCKING ON THEM TIL THEY CUM DOWN HIS ETERNAL THROAT!
Fucking faggot god and jesus. Wouldn't be suprised if Satan was gay himself.
EDIT: homophobia 
no, I've been preaching about the gayness of jesus for many years
You didn't do it in that particular way though.
Theres nothing in the book about Jesus being sexual, but I think he was biamorous, loving both males and females, and actually Omniamorous, loving everything and all things (he probably loved dying for our sins by suffering towards and on that cross too)
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante]
#22446743 - 10/28/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Distorted Vision said: GOD IS GAY! YA HERD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS! GOD IS NOT ONLY A DICK BUT LOVES SUCKING ON THEM TIL THEY CUM DOWN HIS ETERNAL THROAT!
Fucking faggot god and jesus. Wouldn't be suprised if Satan was gay himself.
EDIT: homophobia 
no, I've been preaching about the gayness of jesus for many years
You didn't do it in that particular way though.
Theres nothing in the book about Jesus being sexual, but I think he was biamorous, loving both males and females, and actually Omniamorous, loving everything and all things (he probably loved dying for our sins by suffering towards and on that cross too)
the guy died for his own sins, my sins still dont exist
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Aleon]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: I was a talking to a muslim about her religion a few days ago and this was one of the main gripes she had against the christian religion. She couldnt wrap her head around how their god could throw them into eternal hellfire for a single fuckup. Even with the worst offenders in Islam hell's always equal to a prison sentence after which they ascend to heaven.
Eternal hell is a characteristic of islam. Also, the lack of an eternal hell is present in certain christian sects. I was raised under evangelical christianity, they rejected hell for this very reason.
Wrong. If you have read the quran, the prophet muhammed wrote in it that hell last only 88 years.
I haven't read the quran, I have better things to do. But I can easily google verses like this one...
"...for him is the Fire of Hell, he shall dwell therein forever." http://2pm.co/demo/2500/72/23/
Regardless, I am not arguing for what the quran says - that is irrelevant. I am arguing for what muslims actually believe.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante]
#22447934 - 10/29/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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MinnesnowtaNice said: You don't need it to be a good person. You should be a good person for you not anyone else.
Thats seriously spiritually shortsighted. Its all about giving.
You cant give what you ain't got. True altruism only occurs when one is happy with oneself tis a tainted gift otherwise.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: pineninja] 1
#22447940 - 10/29/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not as much talking materially as spiritually. Being a giving person as opposed to always looking out for no 1.
You don't need a happy happy life to be a giving person. Life messed me up more than a Happy Tree Friend and I still give with both hands in all directions where it falls in fertile soil.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: pineninja]
#22447952 - 10/29/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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God may have a personal interest in the affairs on this planet ... or He may not ... hard to say given all the confusion, violence and distortion ... Hard to imagine why a "loving God" would enable so much evil to thrive on our planet.
But one thing is for sure, the Romans created the myths that became Jesus/Christianity. There very well may have been a popular Jewish Rabbi we now call Jesus, but it was the Roman co-opting of the Christian movement that put it on the map and kept it there.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante]
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You don't need a happy happy life to be a giving person. Life messed me up more than a Happy Tree Friend and I still give with both hands in all directions where it falls in fertile soil.
I too was referring to the spiritual side of things. All I am trying to say is that the only thing you can give to others is yourself. IMO The "happier" you are the better the gift.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: pineninja]
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Oh and to the subject of the thread... The torture you purport to feel is but a false emotion created by yourself to feel like someone cares. Believe it or not you are god, and you do exist, that should be all you need.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: pineninja]
#22448729 - 10/29/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is no biblical basis for the belief in hell:
"Are there Bible verses that clearly describe "hell," explaining its origins and purpose? Hell no! If you study "hell" in the Bible, you're in for a long, fruitless search for facts, definitions and explanations. Why? Because the Hebrew prophets never mentioned a place where human beings writhe in eternal torment, gnashing their teeth forever. Nor did the prophets ever mention even the possibility of suffering after death. Isn't that extremely odd, if there really is a hell and God wanted us to know how to avoid it? The Hebrew Bible (our Old Testament) mentions a place called Sheol, but as I will demonstrate below—quoting book, chapter and verse—the Hebrew word Sheol clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead, good and bad." The same is true in the New Testament, where the Greek word Hades also clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead." Nor does Gehenna mean "hell," as I explain below. So "hell" is not a biblical teaching at all, but a harrowing mistranslation used by charlatans to brainwash believers into forking over their hard-earned money while obeying commandments they never bothered to observe themselves. (It seems hell hath no fury like a hypocritical moralist out to control other people's behavior.) Unfortunately, the innocents who suffer most from this hellish dogma are highly impressionable children who trust their parents, pastors, youth directors and Sunday School teachers not to mislead them"
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22448745 - 10/29/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Unfortunately, the innocents who suffer most from this hellish dogma are highly impressionable children who trust their parents, pastors, youth directors and Sunday School teachers not to mislead them"
as in ... "come son and sit on my lap and let's talk about Jesus ... oh ... my ... aren't you a good looking boy ... "
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22448761 - 10/29/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I question why god dude just give us a switch to flip when we needed to shit. I've been sitting on the can for an hour with no luck. My ass is numb
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: ManianFH]
#22448765 - 10/29/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i hope you like hemorroids
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: larry.fisherman]
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It's these chemo-shits. They are giving me platinum so it's like rocks falling out of my ass
Don't smoke kids
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: ManianFH]
#22448833 - 10/29/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Got it.
And ppl say God isn't loving. My ass begs to differ
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: ManianFH]
#22449099 - 10/29/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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we wouldn't learn a damn thing if things were happy fun time
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