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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed] * 2
    #22444311 - 10/28/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



did someone post that one already?


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #22444335 - 10/28/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I was on shrooms one time walking through the forest. I soon realized it would be impossible for me to get through the trail without killing some of the ants and other bugs, or destroying spiders webs they worked so hard on, and who knows what else.

I then compared this to god. I imagine it would be very hard for a god to accomplish anything in this world without something getting hurt in the process. To give something it must be taken from something else. To merely pass through a region countless organisms must be killed, and the scale must get larger as  your power does.


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: ManianFH]
    #22444353 - 10/28/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you.

Its interesting to see this discussion unfold. If only there were many more like it.


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22444354 - 10/28/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

God is supposed to be omnipotent. If you were like god is supposed to be, you could walk right over the ants and through spider webs without disturbing anything.


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22444363 - 10/28/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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God is supposed to be omnipotent. If you were like god is supposed to be, you could walk right over the ants and through spider webs without disturbing anything.




Yup. Just what I was thinking. A human can't really be accurately compared to a God like that I don't think.


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Eminence]
    #22444383 - 10/28/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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There's a huge difference between humans and God though.




We are a child form of a God.


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22444407 - 10/28/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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So loving of it. :facepalm3:




Wrong god, mate. Don't worship that evil spirit, worship the creator/creation instead, if you feel the need to worship something to begin with.


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22444412 - 10/28/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

but why would you care?  maybe ants and spiders arent the best example.

Lets say you were brewing beer.  You would have to foster the growth of yeast in your wort in order to achieve your goal.  You want your yeast to thrive, multiply, and consume the nutrients in the wort to produce waste products that you find desirable(alcohol, CO2).  If something happens to stall your yeast growth, you alter conditions to enable it start fermenting again.  All the while, individual yeast cells are living, dying, and reproducing.  Collectively, the are achieving what you desired, though individually, some thrive more than others.  Inevitably, the concentrations of yeast waste products gradually increase making it harder and harder for the yeast to survive.  But you don't care much about the suffering of the yeast, because this was the plan from the start. When the yeast poisons itself to death, you have reached your goal.  Sure, the yeast get screwed in the end, but what do you care?  You got your tasty brew out of the deal


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #22444422 - 10/28/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Dear God, this one is for you :heart:




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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22444426 - 10/28/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Exactly, god is a hella douche.


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed] * 1
    #22444432 - 10/28/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't believe in a punitive, eternal , absolute hell.

I believe God is merciful and loving as the bible,
Torah and Quran attest again and again.

"that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22444450 - 10/28/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

His actions in the books don't really seem to coincide with their constant proclamations of his absolute goodness. What's up with that?


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22444454 - 10/28/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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God is supposed to be omnipotent. If you were like god is supposed to be, you could walk right over the ants and through spider webs without disturbing anything.



this depends totally on the assumption that a higher being would be omnipotent. But I suppose a lot of this depends on assumption in the first place

I don't see why it would have to be omnipotent though


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22444473 - 10/28/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Y'all are misunderstanding the "God is Omnipotent"thing.

God, the Highest God, is ALL THINGS. Anything less than all things and you are dealing with an angel.


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22444477 - 10/28/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's what the religious texts claim. So he was just powerful enough to create the entire universe and everything in it, but not powerful enough to keep from accidentally stepping on us from time to time? Sounds pretty bogus to me.


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante]
    #22444482 - 10/28/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Asante said:
Quote:

Eminence said:
There's a huge difference between humans and God though.




We are a child form of a God.



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Asante said:
Y'all are misunderstanding the "God is Omnipotent"thing.

God, the Highest God, is ALL THINGS. Anything less than all things and you are dealing with an angel.




:vibin:

Omens... you misunderstand. God is all things.


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #22444504 - 10/28/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

God created all things and all things exist within God and are of one substance with God.

God doesn't judge or punish anymore then the ocean judges a wave or rejects a rain drop.

This is what I choose to believe - that all beings without exception are loved and accepted by their creator of whom they are a part.


I believe that Gods mercy and compassion are infinite and thus all sins and wrong doing is forgiven and God is all loving so all beings will be embraced into divine love, light and life.

"for surely thou art the merciful,
The oft returning to mercy"
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante]
    #22444507 - 10/28/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Y'all are misunderstanding the "God is Omnipotent"thing.

God, the Highest God, is ALL THINGS. Anything less than all things and you are dealing with an angel.




Dude, how can there be a misunderstanding of your own personal convoluted ass religious beliefs. No one knows what those are but you, and I doubt even you do. It's pretty obvious what is meant by omnipotent in the religious texts.


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #22444520 - 10/28/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If the universe is indeed, multi-dimensional ... and if consciousness does somehow transcend death and there are infinite choices of what world to inhabit next ... then what happens in this particular earth time reality is pretty insignificant and confined to a minuscule time frame ... like a mosquito bite on the journey through eternity. 

Having said that, there's a ton of fun shit to do on this planet, a lot of incredibly beautiful women (South America, in particular) and if you're lucky enough to be born in the USA or the West in General, a fairly high level of freedom as in, I can literally drive to the airport in an hour and hop on a plane to a lot of very cool places ... I can open my own business ... I can access information and knowledge very cheaply ... I can explore this planet ...

If you're not enjoying the ride on this planet, it's not God's fault.


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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22444531 - 10/28/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Omens... you misunderstand. God is all things.




I'm not misunderstanding anything. God being all things isn't the dominant understanding of what god is. You act like this is a self-evident fact.

What exactly is the point in believing that god is all things? Is god exactly the same as all things? Is god just another name for all things? If that's the case why believe in semantic god? Or does god have attributes outside of all things? I've asked these questions a bunch of times on here of pantheists and other god is all things people, and no-one has answered me.


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