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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22443342 - 10/28/15 04:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: WHAT is God? This is a better question that which God is the REAL God or which religion worships the best/most powerful God?
Why would any God create an environment where suffering occurs?
Maybe suffering is a better teacher than comfort?
The God depicted in ancient scripture was politically motivated ... I find it incredible that anyone cannot see the narrative that allowed that God to catch on and become popular
Yeah, I hear you.
But is this meant to be directed at me? Because I didn't say anything about a God or which religion is right.
I'm saying, to follow a strict code of moral laws like religions seem to have..would take a strong willed and "strong minded" individual.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: 1234go]
#22443388 - 10/28/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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life is a game, if their were no concequences for losing, there wouldn't be a point in playing or trying to win. You assume god has morals because heaven is nice and the place to be?
maybe he just wants to kick it with some chill like minded folks and you have to pass his tests to get in, or maybe heaven is actually hell in disquise and the devil wrote the bible and wants you to worship him under a false name
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22443406 - 10/28/15 05:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You assume god has morals because heaven is nice and the place to be?

Seriously?
Once again, I didn't mention anything about a God or even believing in a God.
Nor am I suggesting that religion and following said "moral code" is right, or better in any way. Jeeeeeez.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22443436 - 10/28/15 05:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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God doesn't send people to hell for not believing in him, sin puts you in hell.
I enjoy when pubbers spout off on politics, religion and the real world. You are all so learned
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22443438 - 10/28/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Loving god...where?
I don't see one, all I see is a bunch of hooligans running around killing each other over fairy tales, seems kinda childish.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: 1234go] 1
#22443455 - 10/28/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You assume god has morals because heaven is nice and the place to be?

Seriously?
Once again, I didn't mention anything about a God or even believing in a God.
Nor am I suggesting that religion and following said "moral code" is right, or better in any way. Jeeeeeez.
Attempting to reason with makaveli
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed] 2
#22443481 - 10/28/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you read the Bible, you are reading several books that were bundled together centuries after the fact.
The "God" of the Bible are in fact several different angels speaking in the name of God, from their own points of view.
The God of All Things, the true Holy Spirit, the Om if you will we don't even know if it speaks at all.
What we do know is that its the God of ALL THINGS and that it is PURE LOVE that is the fabric of all things.
rewards Good but does not punish Evil. That is a bitter pill for most to swallow. Evil punishes itself.
You are on a ladder. The lower you are on the ladder the further you nare from where you need to be. On top of the ladder is Godhood. Yes you, a God Almighty, a Holy Spirit. At the bottom of this ladder is you in your most wretched form: you as Satan, in the deepest pit of Hell.
You can climb or you can hesitate, you cannot descend, but hesitation will cause suffering for yourself and those around you.
In climbing and climbing fast lies your salvation. With every decision you make,. no matter how tiny, you either climb or hesitate.
No one, not even the Devil, stays in Hell for all eternity. But when it ascends it will no longer be the Devil it was before.
Don't be confused. Its not about damnation. itrs about salvation. With every decision, find the choice which makes you and those around you ascend and CLIMB TOGETHER.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22443633 - 10/28/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So that people are fooled by it and succumb to it and hand their monkey will over to the hierarchies of religious organisation.
Also this loving god is very rich - or wants to be anyway. I mean think about how easy it is to make money by convincing to people that their purpose in life is to circle a black box seven times so they could go to an amazing paradise full of milk and honey.
If we are pointing out cosmic contradictions in religion here is another one:
God/Allah is all knowing - HE already knows what is going to happen everywhere in the universe because HE created it...but humans have free will and will go to hell if we don't follow God's book/s but God already knows what is going to happen anyway...but we have free will to choose if we want to go to hell or heaven...but in all this I ask myself...what is the point?
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante]
#22443660 - 10/28/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Society and civilization functions better for humans if we have a set of morals and laws that help prevent us from things like violence, theft, humping everything that moves, etc. If people believe "GOD" wants us to follow these rules, especially very uneducated people which most people were before the 1500's when all of the religions were born, then they are more likely to voluntarily follow at least a small group of rules.
That was, more than anything else, the purpose of religion. It was installed by the political, governing classes to encourage social order and reduce risk/violence.
Then we believed the bullshit and the Abrahamic Gods became bigger than real.
WE shouldn't under estimate the role that magical ceremonies that often involved powerful psychoactive plants/substances played in creating the Gods and their "rules" for us.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: 1234go]
#22443690 - 10/28/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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1234go said:
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You assume god has morals because heaven is nice and the place to be?

Seriously?
Once again, I didn't mention anything about a God or even believing in a God.
Nor am I suggesting that religion and following said "moral code" is right, or better in any way. Jeeeeeez.
i was just talking in general i seen a few people mention god so that was directed at those who did mention it, didn't seem worth the trouble to be specific since so many had
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: BreathlessVision]
#22443701 - 10/28/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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For god so loved the world that bla bla bla IT MEANS NOTHING EXCEPT 1 THING!
For God (The omnipotent alien that may or may not have assisted in our creation) so loved this world (planet x3423 water and fermament planet #4 stupid humans call it earth lol) that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes (Gets to know the biblical Jesus and walks around with a conscience strives to be like jesus) in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
So basically you re telling me on some level I will live forever if I just have a fucking conscience... (If you do this simple fact alone you will be doing more than 90% of those Sick people at churches.)
You do not have to even believe with any faith in christianity to have your soul/essence/spirit live on. or whatever you call it.
Getting to know Jesus is easy and you don't even have to believe in god or jesus as the biblical person they have been shoving.
In fact you already know jesus. Each and every one of you already know jesus
question. do you kill someone or hug them Jesus says hug.
Should I return this item to walmart I had 1 of for over a year mine is worn out should I buy new and replace?? No "The guy I know as jesus" WOULD NOT DO THAT!
I just have to ask myself What would Jesus do. Of course this person you are challenging your actions against can just be an idea of someone you hold to the same light Jesus would have is he was in fact real or just real in general.
I do not go to church or practice Christianity. But there are enough people that believe collectively. Also the benefits in my life that I get fro asking my self (what would Jesus do before taking any questionable action is UNDENIABLE)
This is how a person who is not "foolish" enough to believe blindly can rationalize himself into possible eternal life or at the least HONOR.
Edited by Groo (10/28/15 08:09 AM)
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Groo]
#22443821 - 10/28/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Leaders prefer submissive and obedient populations ... Religion was created to encourage this.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Groo]
#22443827 - 10/28/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Groo said: I do not go to church or practice Christianity. But there are enough people that believe collectively. Also the benefits in my life that I get fro asking my self (what would Jesus do before taking any questionable action is UNDENIABLE)
This is how a person who is not "foolish" enough to believe blindly can rationalize himself into possible eternal life or at the least HONOR.
so wait... you dont believe blindly but your morality comes from having to ask how you compare to a guy that's been dead for 2000 years
so let's ask ourselves, what would jesus do if he were alive today
well, he'd send his gang out to boost him a car so he could ride into town in style, as though he were to king, Jesus would beat those that offended his delicate sensibilities on religion and destroy their means of income
the apple doesnt fall far from the tree, jesus was also a dick
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22443849 - 10/28/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If Jesus were alive today he would be eating all of us.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#22443868 - 10/28/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If "Jesus" came down to check out the state of affairs here on Earth, he'd no doubt hit the RESET button and start over.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22443888 - 10/28/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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RanOutOfWeed said: So loving of it. 

I was going to use the low quality bait, but the way this thread is going it's apparently some pretty decent bait. Wreaks of a successful troll effort up in this bitch
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#22443916 - 10/28/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22444231 - 10/28/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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really though OP, why doesn't god just make all of existence happy fun time for humans? since humans are the center of the universe and all, and gods only purpose should be to make us happy.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#22444243 - 10/28/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look directly below you, at your keyboard or desk or whatever. Can you see all the organisms living on it? You can make a new desk, but what else? Put a few drops of blood on there and suddenly you have creatures of your own design. Make them happy.
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Re: Why Did a Loving God Create infinite torture for not believing in it? [Re: Asante] 1
#22444277 - 10/28/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: If you read the Bible, you are reading several books that were bundled together centuries after the fact.
The "God" of the Bible are in fact several different angels speaking in the name of God, from their own points of view.
The God of All Things, the true Holy Spirit, the Om if you will we don't even know if it speaks at all.
What we do know is that its the God of ALL THINGS and that it is PURE LOVE that is the fabric of all things.
rewards Good but does not punish Evil. That is a bitter pill for most to swallow. Evil punishes itself.
You are on a ladder. The lower you are on the ladder the further you nare from where you need to be. On top of the ladder is Godhood. Yes you, a God Almighty, a Holy Spirit. At the bottom of this ladder is you in your most wretched form: you as Satan, in the deepest pit of Hell.
You can climb or you can hesitate, you cannot descend, but hesitation will cause suffering for yourself and those around you.
In climbing and climbing fast lies your salvation. With every decision you make,. no matter how tiny, you either climb or hesitate.
No one, not even the Devil, stays in Hell for all eternity. But when it ascends it will no longer be the Devil it was before.
Don't be confused. Its not about damnation. itrs about salvation. With every decision, find the choice which makes you and those around you ascend and CLIMB TOGETHER.
Quality post from a wise mind. Cheers to you Asante
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